Fire Karl Dorrell!

by Bruin Roar on Dec 3, 2005 9:17 PM PST Comment 11 comments

Dorrell is worthless. A freaking joke. Pac-10 Coach of the Year? ROFLMAO. -N

This is a 9 win team? We're getting embarrassed on national tv again under Dorrell. And this time we're getting embarrassed by our hated rivals.

It's time to face reality. We were lucky to win 9 games. Most of those wins came against bad teams and many of them were comebacks. We are no better now than we were a year ago.

I give SC credit. Carroll has assembled one of the greatest college football teams in the history of the sport. But this thing isn't even close. Our team is getting embarrassed. We, as Bruins, are getting embarrassed.

It's time to end this. The Dorrell experiment has been a failure. What will it take for UCLA to make a change? How many times must we get embarrassed before Karl Dorrell and this coaching staff are shown the door? As alumni and students, we must DEMAND change. This is no longer acceptable. I'm sick of losing to USC and I'm sick of losing like this. If UCLA athletics can't make a change, then we should drop football.

Unfortunately, some will argue that with 9 wins, we should be satisfied. Some will say that KD has done enough to keep his job. No, that's not the case. In the most important game of the year, the UCLA Bruins have failed and they have failed miserably. We're not even competitive with the Trojans. Dan Guerrero, if you have any pride left in you as a Bruin, fire Karl Dorrell. Alumni, if you care about your school, demand the termination of Karl Dorrell. Write letters to the administration. Hold on to your money. Don't donate to UCLA athletics. The constant failure cannot continue.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Big problem!

If we fire Karl we will have to completely rebuild again! I can't wait three more years of rebuilding! We are cluster fucked!

by bruinelder on Dec 3, 2005 4:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Better to rebuild

We all know that Dorrell and his guys will only continue to fail. It won't change after three years. We need to spend the bucks to get a proven, winning head coach. It will pay off in the long run. Dorrell is just going to dig us into a deeper hole.

by Bruin Roar on Dec 3, 2005 5:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Fire Him

Now.

As the late Johnnie Cochran would have said, "0-3 agaist SC, then you must set him free."

by Koach Karl I on Dec 3, 2005 9:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Christmas for Nestor

It must be exciting! Now that the distraction of this 9-win season is almost behind us, you can get back to your true passion: expletive-laced personal attacks against Dorrell! Time to change that blog name back, isn't it?

Of course, everyone in Bruinland has to be terribly disappointed by today's game. We were dominated. But I have to say, putting this all on Dorrell is a bit unfair. We have to face it, USC is simply a far better team- at virtually every position- than the Bruins. Probably the best team in the country. The best team offense in years. And to say that a coach is a moron, and a program is in shambles, because it can't beat that team is bullshit. That doesn't mean we should be rushing to extend the guys contact- but (as is often the case here) some perspective is warranted.

And it is both untrue and insulting to the players' accomplishments this year to suggest that this team is no better than last year. Besides the record, which you might notice is much better, they've shown genuine heart, and won some games that they should have lost (which, when the commentary isn't fixated on portraying the coach as the village idiot, is sometimes chalked up to good coaching). Add that to the fact that, off the field (which has been delightfully incident free), we had a pretty good year recruiting, so I think your statement is verifiably false.

That said, I'm not satisfied with mediocrity. I just like facts, and don't have a taste for personal attacks and relying on hate-driven emotion. So, call Dorrell a worthless piece of shit. Call out Dan Guerrero for not having pride. Hold onto your donations (though I have the strong suspicion that you haven't ever made any, and if you have, you stopped years ago because of Lavin, Toledo, or whomever else you hated that day). But try to keep your head.

by Calvin on Dec 4, 2005 12:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

You're not getting it

I wrote that post, not Nestor. He just provided that little comment about Dorrell in the beginning.

My point is not that we lost the game. It's that we weren't even competitive. This was one of the worst losses in UCLA/USC rivalry history. Then look at how we lost that game to Arizona. Why do you still want to keep this coaching staff? Haven't you been humiliated enough?

Yes, we won nine games. Who did we beat and how did we beat them? We had a creampuff schedule. We could easily be a six win team at this point. You think next year without Drew Olson, Havner, and Marcedes Lewis we will be that lucky?

Of course you can't completely blame the coach. The players play the game. Unfortunately, the coach also recruits the players. If the coach can't recruit good players, then conventional wisdom says that he needs to go. Other schools treat their coaches this way. Why should we not hold our coaches to the same standards? Do you think SC would keep a coach if he lost to us like that in football? Oh, that's right. We're UCLA. It's all cool as long as you're a nice guy. That's the same type of thinking that brought us Steve Lavin.

And I'm a current student. It's sad that I have more pride than most UCLA alumni do. Most of you people do not care about our school or our athletic department. That's why you settle for this garbage. And that's why we will never have a dynasty in a major sport again. You people are more than happy to fail. If the coach is a nice guy, well, that's all that matters.

by Bruin Roar on Dec 4, 2005 6:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Alums

BR ... there are lot of alums who feel exactly like you do. You are not alone here at all. I watched the game with about 200 alums yesterday. And we were all utterly disgusted. And BTW Calvin ... I do donate to UCLA and I am not getting into a pissing match with you on how much I donate to my alma mater. But yes ... it will certainly not go into supporting this joke of a football program.

by Nestor on Dec 4, 2005 7:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes I am

At the outset, I know who wrote the post- I was just having a little fun with N, whom I would be willing to bet agrees with your call for Dorrell's scalp, and has posted the most frequently on this site regarding the subject.

As for the rest, we could argue details all day. Let me just say that it undermines your credibility when you make inaccurate statements in support of your argument- which is that we should fire of the coach after a 9-win season. Emotion and "pride" are all fine and good, but noone will ever follow your call to arms unless they sense that there is so substance beyond the bluster.

So, you can turn the personal attacks on me, say that I don't have pride, or don't care, or that I'm happy to fail. Suggest that I care whether or not the guy is nice (twice) when I didn't even mention that, or set up any number of other straw man arguments to knock down. However, let me suggest that you'd be more persuasive if you didn't.

by Calvin on Dec 4, 2005 7:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay

Sorry for getting personal.

Here are the facts. We had an easy schedule with just about every tough game except for the USC one at home. We won nine games with that schedule, but many of those wins were comebacks against mediocre teams. Our two losses were huge. One loss came against a very bad Arizona team and it was ugly. Our other loss came against the hated USC Trojans and it was even worse. It's the worst loss we've had against the Trojans since the 30's.

I want to get rid of Dorrell not just because of this year. The future, at least to me, does not look bright. We have a much tougher schedule next year and some of our best players will be gone. I think this is as good as it's going to get for a while. After that embarrassing loss yesterday, I think it would be better to start fresh with somebody new. Why would a big recruit want to play for this coach after what happened yesterday?

We at least need some changes to the staff. The common belief among fans right now is that Larry Kerr will be fired. That at least needs to happen.

by Bruin Roar on Dec 4, 2005 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough

All fair points.

On the merits, I suppose my view is that you and others are putting a bit too emphasis on who we've beaten, and what their record was. Lots of teams have good season predicated on beating a bunch of softies. Being in a good conference, we don't usually find ourselves in such a situation, but I don't think we have anything to apologize for. And, lest we forget, we could have lost those games. We didn't.

And yes, the two losses were huge. Devasting. Crushing. Embarrassing. My original point, though, was that I don't think the one game, against a great team, warrants tossing the guy given everything else. Maybe I have a more optimistic view of the future. I think the other Olson will do just fine, and understand Drew is staying for his senior season. Sure, we're losing some good guys, but that's what makes college football, well, college football.

Then again, maybe I just have a different view of the past. As I've said before, if we'd been offered a 9-2 season on the day fall practice broke, I think most any reasonable person would have taken the deal. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't take an 11-0, it just recognizes that Olson was mediocre prior to this season, that our receivers were just adequate, that the d-line was undersized and underskilled, among other things.

So, it's probably no surprise at this point, that anger and disappointment aside re yesterday, I think Dorrell has earned another season. Kerr has not. And I'm hopeful that Dorrell will pull the trigger- as he had in the past in assembling a pretty darn good group of coaches.

by Calvin on Dec 4, 2005 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

well ...

I think we are mostly in agreement here:

I agree that record wise Dorrell has earned another season. When the season started I was expecting a 9-10 win season, which would include a win over SC. Now that we have lost to SC, in my eyes it will be successful if we end on a winning note in the bowl game, finishing 10-2. Because losing 3 out of our last 4 games is not mark of "success" in book. That said I am pragamtic enough to understand Dorrell will not be fired at the end of this season because of the 9 wins and 6 Pac-10 wins. The axe will fall on Larry Kerr. But that raises the question who hired Axeman and Larry Kerr? And if the new DC doesn't change anything up what happens next? And if this season really doesn't tell us anything about what kind of coach Dorrell is what should be the standard for next season? Should he stay if SC beats us at the Rose Bowl next season and matches our 8 game streak?

by Nestor on Dec 4, 2005 9:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Recruiting

I was just wondering...when was the last time we had a DL in the first 3 rounds of the NFL Draft? A linebacker? Looking at espn.com it shows that we have 6 LBs and 4 DLs in the NFL, but I'm not sure how many of those were big-time players.

My point is that we don't seem to recruit good run-stoppers. I've always maintained that you can't entirely judge a team's performance on its coach because he can't go out there and force people to tackle. I can, however, blame recruiting on a coach, and blame bad defensive strategies on a coach. I think Kerr should be gone (and anyone who thinks I am just saying that because of this game needs to check our season-long struggles against the run), and that either Dorrell or Bienemy or whoever does the recruiting needs to get a good DC to help them find some good defensive talent. It's going to be difficult to recruit against USC, considering their dominating performance the past few years (not to mention our pitiful ones), but there MUST be players not only in Southern CA but elsewhere that we can find who can stop even the mediocre running backs.

It's kind of funny that the more I watch this team, the more it reminds me of those Cade McNown teams of 1997 and 1998. Dominating offense, defense can't stop the run (which became evident against Miami and Wisconsin). Except that I think Reggie Bush is better, and has a better offensive line than Miami or Wisconsin, and that USC wasn't so good back then. I am pretty sure that those Cade-led teams could not have beaten the SC team that played this year or last year.

GO BRUINS. HOOK 'EM HORNS.

by uclawarren on Dec 4, 2005 9:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs