Dorrell leaks to Stevens and BRO

by Odysseus on Nov 6, 2006 9:55 PM PST

Some of you may have read stories or heard on the radio that say that Dorrell is coming back no matter what happens the rest of the year.

Coming after the fourth loss in a row, and the second blowout Pac 10 loss in a row, and including known Dorrell syncophants like Stevens, let's just say these rumors are less than credible.

This also comes at a time of heightened media scrutiny on Dan Guerrero and Karl Dorrell.

Further, Mr. Guerrerro has been conspicuous in his public silence on the issue.

Until we hear from Mr. Guerrero himself on this issue, the answer is to send respectful letter, emails, and faxes, explaining calmly and rationally the reasons why Karl Dorrell must go. We certainly have the facts on our side.

Stevens is known to have an axe to grind, and it seems to me that others who have reasons to support mediocrity may be purporting to speak for the Athletic Department only to further their own agenda.

Stay tuned...

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Matt Stevens

is a moron

by BruinFanatic1988 on Nov 6, 2006 10:09 PM PST reply actions

and a...

tool, really big fucking tool, his voice annoys me

by redsand514 on Nov 6, 2006 11:29 PM PST reply actions

classic

if there is any shred of evidence that BRO has become nothing but bunch lackies for Morgan Center this should take care of it.

yeah DG is not talking to anyone and yet people are posting info. from "inside sources" saying KD is not on the hot seat. lol

coming from the folks who gave us the spin of "true moral victory" after the game against Southern California two years ago. whatever.

by Nestor on Nov 7, 2006 5:09 AM PST reply actions

I admit it

I migrated over from the BRO boards, specifically the basketball one. The amount of flamers and lamers is nowhere near as poisonous as the attitude that these clowns carry with them. There are/were some good posters there, but they're mostly gone now, perhaps they are at this site.

by Tydides on Nov 7, 2006 9:35 AM PST up reply actions

Actually

This is the truth. Unless KD comes up with nothing within the next three games, he WILL be back. If you actually think that UCLA actually cares about the success of the football program, you need to wake up. As much as I want a change, I have accepted the fact that UCLA is not going to do this year. Believe me.
The only reason Lavin was let go even though Dan didn't say anything during the season was our history and the legacy of the basketball program.

by justwatching on Nov 7, 2006 8:49 AM PST reply actions

Yeah

It's the "truth" just because you said so. I am sure DG has told you personally that KD will come back no matter what happens in next 3 games.

Try that nonsense on the "blue" board which was just created on BRO.

by bluestreet on Nov 7, 2006 8:50 AM PST up reply actions

Uh huh

yea just because you said so its the "truth"

Whatever.

by Nestor on Nov 7, 2006 10:09 AM PST up reply actions

No it is not because I said so

What will you do when KD comes back next year? It is not about what we want; it is about what UCLA's administration wants and if you think for a second that all the e-mails and petitions will amount to something, you are only looking towards another year of misery. The administration hasn't cared about football in the past and it is not going to change now. But keep calling me anything you want, that might solve the issue.

by justwatching on Nov 7, 2006 10:12 AM PST reply actions

i agree....

I hate to say this, I want KD gone as much as the anyone else on this board, but I do believe justwatching is correct. The only way KD will be gone this year, I suspect, is if we get blown out in the remaining three games. If we win even one more game, especially if it happens to be against 'SC, you know KD will be back next year.

by kdout on Nov 7, 2006 11:01 AM PST up reply actions

Cool

then we will deal with it next year. so just because you are saying KD is coming back no matter what, we should quit and stop trying?

oh wait you probably enjoy the cowardly quitting nature of Dorrell football.

by Nestor on Nov 7, 2006 12:20 PM PST up reply actions

not thats what I said.

There's no reason to turn on one another here. I think we are all here for the same reason...we love UCLA, we love being a Bruin and we hate to see UCLA and what it means to be a Bruin becoming the laughing stock of not only LA but the Pac-10 and possible the nation because of one inept, moronic coach. I don't think that's at issue here.

All I'm saying, and I think "justwatching" was alluding to this as well, is that we need to be realistic and not to expect KD being fired this year unless we blow the remaining three games. Thats all.

Everyone on this board is riding this huge wave of anti-Dorrell sentiment, and for good reasons, don't get me wrong; I am not defending KD.

However, the expectation on this board appears to be that KD will be fired at the end of the season; in the event KD is not let go, there is bound to be a huge letdown, which is bound to take the wind out of our sails.

by kdout on Nov 7, 2006 2:04 PM PST up reply actions

I can see where they're going with this

But at the same time, just because of the possibilty that what we want may not happen, shouldn't mean that we should give up. If that were the case, underdogs would never win.

And I do like a good underdog story.

by stevenucla on Nov 7, 2006 4:13 PM PST up reply actions

whatever

I don't really care what a Cal fan thinks about my alma mater's football program.

by Nestor on Nov 7, 2006 12:25 PM PST up reply actions

I appreciate the optimism

as far as our players go but I'm afraid pride is only going to get this team so far. The inconsistency of the defense and the consistant(ly bad) offense is going to put our backs to the wall in every game from here on out. Oregon St. may have caught lightning in a bottle and beaten southern cal, but we haven't even shown that we possess this mythical bottle in the first place. Maybe if Olson/Cowan run their own plays calling audibles on every down, maybe we will then have a chance.

And besides, who would want to put their pride on the line for a guy that throws you under the bus to the media every weekend?

by Tydides on Nov 7, 2006 12:32 PM PST up reply actions

BRO is pathetic

I just went over there to see if I could find out what Stevens said. It's disgusting how blind they are. NONE of the posts have any responses when it comes to Dorrell being fired. Nobody wants to talk about it over there. Oh yeah . . .

JUSTWATCHING . . .

Nobody called you anything in the two comments about your post. Relax. And UCLA will need to make a change, 'cause college football is changing. Coaches don't have 5+ years to turn around programs. It's by year 3, and now year 4 is upon us and we SUCK. It's time to make a change.

by TheStick on Nov 7, 2006 12:20 PM PST reply actions

Look

I am on your side. You have no idea how much I despise KD. What I am saying is, UCLA administratio has some other agenda as opposed to ours. They are more worried about cleaning the program and graduation rate. To top it of, a minority is the face of the football program; a problem that everyone at this time is pointing at the school. As long as they can satisfy the big time boosters, everybody is nothing.
I am not saying that you should stop with your efforts but if they are falling on deaf ears, what is the point? How many big time boosters that can affect the administration are with us? Why haven't any of them come out and asked for a change? Florida State major boosters came out as soon as the team started loosing and that is against Bobby Bowden.

by justwatching on Nov 7, 2006 12:54 PM PST reply actions

Well it's your prerogative

to be defeatist about this and not care. Not our choice. We will keep getting the word out. And given our growth over last year I have no doubt we will get the message out.

Morgan Center can work on the assumption that they are working in a media vacuum during the pre-internet era of Donahue days.

Anyways ... we got your take. Thanks a lot for it. If you have nothing else to add then take that defeatist attitude somewhere else. Really don't need to have bunch of quitters posting on BN.

Oh no one knows what is going through DG's mind. And I have that from pretty good sources.

by Nestor on Nov 7, 2006 1:00 PM PST up reply actions

I guess

it is your website and you are entitled to do whatever you can for the best of the football program. I wasn't being defeatist. I was being a realist. Name calling another alumni because they have another point of view is a little bit childish. But ever since you called out south campus students as the main reason for a weak student support, I have taken your words with a grain of salt. So I am not going to complain now. Good luck with your work and hope it will lead to some change for the common good of the football program.

by justwatching on Nov 7, 2006 2:42 PM PST up reply actions

Uhm

obviously you can't read ... otherwise you would have clearly noted my quip about South Campus was just a joke.

And no you are not actually being a realist considering you don't have all the data points at hand. You still have no idea what DG is thinking and you are trying to peddle your perception of Morgan Center as "truth."

See you later.

by Nestor on Nov 7, 2006 2:49 PM PST up reply actions

what do you plan to do if

he doesn't get fired this season? See I plan to cancel my young alumni season tickets for next year and assuming that alumni and fans follow the same route, Morgan center will be forced to listen. That I assume is a sure way of forcing the administration to listen. If the same amount of people who e-mailed DG, cancel their ticket wouldn't it be more effective?

by justwatching on Nov 7, 2006 3:20 PM PST up reply actions

sure why not

but we will wait till the end of the season to get to that stage and if you want to lead that charge then go for it.

However, before anything happens for you to come here and lecture us saying that the "truth" is that nomatter what happens this year Dorrell is returning, is just ridiculous.

We will wait to hear from DG himself on this issue. Meanwhile, for now we will keep the conversation going like we have for more than a year.

This blog is lot more than just a single issue blog in case you haven't noticed. We will not run out of topics/issues/narratives to push.

If you think a particular strategy is effective then write about, advocate for it, instead of bitching that nothing is going to happen.

Otherwise if you want to be negative and give up, then take that negativity somewhere else.

by Nestor on Nov 7, 2006 3:26 PM PST up reply actions

Good thing

you didn't play for the STL Cardinals this year. You could have played for the Yankees though (just kidding Nestor!)

by stevenucla on Nov 7, 2006 4:16 PM PST up reply actions

The Donahue era

I don't know how many of you were around for the Donahue era. I was. There was frustration, but generally because we were 7-4 and could only finish second in the Pac 10, or because of some gargantuan collapse in a big game. But he had some big years, with a few big game wins.

The situation with Dorrell doesn't even begin to compare with Donahue. At least with Terry there was hope. His teams had a chance, and they played with an expectation of winning. The inability of the current coaching staff to instill a winning attitude is to me the most frustrating (and heartbreaking) thing.

Maybe that's the problem with the mindset of the Athletic Department. They share my view -- we have no chance of winning any games. Hence, Coach K has exceeded expectations 4 times already this year.

Has anyone checked with a sports book? What are the odds that the Bruins will finish 4-8?

by Fox 71 on Nov 11, 2006 4:56 AM PST up reply actions

Race

The whole notion that they want to have a minority as the face of the football program, win or lose, is a bunch of crap. Sure, we all want to see more African-American head coaches, but an African-American coach that runs a program into the ground is not helping the cause.

By the way, this is the very scenario that some African-American media writers were worried about when Dorrell was hired.

by bornagainbruin on Nov 7, 2006 1:09 PM PST reply actions

I don't think there is any way Dorrell

beats SC, this year or next.

by cv on Nov 7, 2006 1:10 PM PST reply actions

Cautiously Optimistic

about Dorrell being fired. I have to admit that a few weeks ago, I didn't think it would happen. Now, largely because of the outstanding efforts by members of this site, Dorrell is getting exposed. And recent failures on the field are obviously creating more and more momentum. No matter what happens in the next month or so, this momentum cannot and will not dissipate. Another year of KD will be a temporary setback....but our efforts will not be wasted. It will build on and carry on to next year. And next year's schedule, despite what everyone thinks, will not be THAT MUCH easier than this year's. KD cannot hide anymore. So keep up the good work, Bruin Nation, keep spreading the word that mediocrity will not be tolerated nor accepted, and sooner or later our efforts will be rewarded.

by godblesstyus95 on Nov 7, 2006 2:41 PM PST reply actions

justwatching is Darth Vader

"Dorrell will be back. It is your destiny." No one knows diddley squat, ok? True, the administration has a poor record when it comes to being proactive about football. But what if our efforts do help? What if, without hearing the growing rumble of dissatisfaction, the administration assumes that everything is fine and keeps KD? We have to try to be heard, louder every day, because we make sense! DG needs to know that he is sitting on a gold mine that is being excavated by someone who came armed with a spoon.

As I have said before, I am not here to demean KD. Just as we do not know what DG is thinking, we do not know how KD feels. If he has any inkling of passion, he is disgusted at himself and is torn apart at watching HIS ALMA MATER lose under his leadership. We will never know because he never shows any emotion. Do I think he means well? Absolutely. Do I think he is qualified? As much as Borat would be. We do not want to wait until KD develops into a great coach, how long is that going to take? We want success soon, and this is the only way we know how to help. If any booster is happy with our team's performance, then for f%$k's sake, I don't want his money!

I expect the administration to keep Dorrell employed. But I hope they do not and we will work our butt off to convince them otherwise. You cannot be afraid of failure when you give it your all. If you are, I am sure there is room for you on KD's staff.

by tasser10 on Nov 7, 2006 2:46 PM PST reply actions

after an inauspicious start as a BN poster

you are doing a great job tasser. And we saw that you bought a T ... nice!

I truly hope for a great season, but if we dont have one we must dumpdorrell.com

by DumpDorrell on Nov 7, 2006 3:35 PM PST up reply actions

nice to be here

I was so angry when I wrote that first post, I could have...I could have...I could have stood on a sideline with a blank stare and not said a word! Thanks. I wish I had more time to do some research...I have so much venting to do.

by tasser10 on Nov 8, 2006 8:17 AM PST up reply actions

Darth Vader, huh?

Any other wise crack? I am not supporting KD nor am I afraid to do something to bring a change. What I simply stated was that the administration does not see eye to eye with us and that they will bring him back next year. Those are my expectations or as some of you interpreted my "truth" of the administration.

by justwatching on Nov 7, 2006 4:55 PM PST up reply actions

sorry

I just meant that you were trying to use the force on us, not that you were an evil dude who breathes funny and has a deep voice. I understand what you are saying and we should manage our expectations. But this is what fans do, they feel intricately involved with their team, and this is simply a tool to make us feel closer to our Bruins. I don't think we have anything to lose as long as we do not come down so hard on KD as a person. I don't think he's a tool, an idiot or an uncaring guy. I just think he was not ready to be the coach of a major college football team. It would be great if we could have a team that belongs in the upper echelons of college football...it is not so far fetched of an idea.

by tasser10 on Nov 8, 2006 8:15 AM PST up reply actions