Cheese eating surrender monkeys

by Nestor on Feb 2, 2006 6:01 AM PST in Football

Wrote this up last night. Still cannot get over the horse manure coming out of DG concerning the *&^% SC chant during (gasp!) basketball games against SC. I guess this shouldn't be a surprise because these are the same cheese eating surrender monkeys who this year changed "Beat SC" week to "blue and gold week," and have no problem celebrating a loss to USC as a true moral victory. These clowns are perfectly comfortable with this:

Also a poster from BRO (EarlWatson25) perfectly captures the rationale for how the letter from DG who seems to be comfortable with being second fiddle to SuC in football was - well just dumb:

I've seen JW attend more than half of our home games since 2000. I think he's smart enough to realize that the ONLY time we use the f-word is towards $C. I'm sure he doesn't like it, but I also would HOPE that he would understand.

Honestly, compared to many other schools.. our fan base is pretty classy. I can't imagine having a "F west virginia" or "F Orgeon" chant... because that would be classless. we don't hate our opponents. except $C. i don't know about any of you, but I freaking HATE $C and everything it stands for. So when it comes to $C, class goes out the window..

there's always an exception to a rule. and this is an exception. F-$-C.

if anyone is a real UCLA fan, they would know to expect this type of behavior (from both parties) at UCLA-$C games.

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[B]ut frankly, "beat $C" is pathetic. as a hardcore fan, that just does not cut it for $C. until we come up with another chant that really gets under $C's skin, I'll most likely continue to chant F-$-C. I'm sorry, but "Beat $C" offends me.. it's just pathetic.

Again we are not sure where DG is getting the nonsense that this was the first time he ever heard F-SC chants during a game against USC.

Well it sure looks like the tools of Westwood, aka the school administrators have given up on Dorrell beating USC this weekend. Through the years the SC game week was called simply "Beat SC" week in Westwood. It was "Beat SC" week when I attended UCLA in first half of the 90s and tradition continued on until this year. The geniuses from Ackerman are calling this week's activities around the SC game as "Blue and Gold" week:

"Beat 'SC" will be the phrase on students' minds this week - though many would use a word other than "beat" - but the events leading up to this weekend's football game are taking a new spin on the historical rivalry.

In previous years, the series of events which preceded the UCLA-USC game was called Beat 'SC Week, and was focused on generating support for the football team's bout with its traditional rival.

But this year, organizers wanted to emphasize school pride over athletic competition.

This year's events, titled Blue and Gold Week, are sponsored by the UCLA Student Alumni Association and will showcase traditional events including the Beat 'SC Car Smash and bonfire rally in Wilson Plaza, as well as new cultural and academic events.

LMAO! Yes, it's those "new cultural and academic events" that were the differences maker on December 3rd against the thugs from South Central. Instead of creating a frenzied atmosphere of overwhelming spirit and emotion against Peter Carroll's (alleged) gangbangers, UCLA administrators were getting the Bruin community in Westwood ready for the biggest game of the season by having "cultural and academic events." This is what happens when you have an Ivy League gas bag with no clue of the tradition of UCLA football and what this weekend's game means to UCLA alums and students leading this university. Yes, I am sure Trojans were whipping up their faithful for the big game by having cultural and academic events and dub it "Maroon and Gold" week! What a bunch of tools. Same tools who celebrated a loss against USC as one of the biggest accomplishments of last year. Remember this from the Daily Bruin?

Anyways ... back to basketball and destroying SC when we play them in 2 weeks. GO BRUINS.

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Wow

I am astounded that Bruin fans would brush aside the feelings of Coach John Wooden or fellow Bruins with small children, for that matter.

Displaying hatred toward $C is perfectly attainable without offending fellow Bruins in including Coach Wooden.

by paulucla @ Bruins Nation on Feb 2, 2006 7:32 AM PST reply actions

This is not about Coach Wooden

Note DG's letter only mentioned that Coach Wooden had a scowl on his face. Perhaps he had a scowl on his face because he was embarrassed by Floyd's buffonery on the court. Coach has been around. I am pretty confident (and I have gone to these games 5 times at Pauley as a student) thats not the first time ever he heard the chant. Thats the first time ever he saw an USC coach embarrass himself so badly on the court. He was probably embarrassed by Floyd. Again who knows. Until we hear from the Coach directly on this - DG should shut his trap on this matter.

by Nestor on Feb 2, 2006 7:35 AM PST up reply actions

Coach Wooden

I wonder if people would react differently if this came from the mouth of John Wooden? I mean, they would react differently, but I wonder if students would actually stop doing this at basketball games (though not at football games) out of respect for John Wooden. However, until he does say something to this effect, I'm sure that the students will feel guilt-free about saying it.

GO BRUINS. HOOK 'EM HORNS.

by uclawarren on Feb 2, 2006 7:52 AM PST up reply actions

30 seconds of Google

Yields at least the following observations:

"In all his years as coach, John Wooden prohibited his players from any use of profanity, and consistently avoided it himself."

Wooden quoted: "Oh, of course you have to keep your emotions under control. In my talking to officials, no official or opposing player ever heard me use profanity. They would never hear me call them bad names in that sense. I badgered officials, but maybe it was "Call them the same at both ends," or "What's the traveling?" or giving some protection and things of that sort. To opposing players I might say, "Do you ever let so-and-so shoot?" But never would I call them a name or anything of that sort. These other things, the other side was very guilty of. I think, in 40 years of coaching, I had two technicals called on me."

"Coach Wooden embraced the unchanging in other areas of his life besides decor. He had three main rules for his players: Be on time, do not use profanity at any time, and never criticize a teammate."

"Wooden was known as one of the great baiters of referees, although he reportedly never used profanity."

"You played for him, you played by his rules: Never score without acknowledging a teammate. One word of profanity, and you're done for the day. Treat your opponent with respect."

One of the things you see in all these stories and quotes is that Wooden still managed to pester referees and get his point across in an effective manner- just not without childish and disrespectful profanity.

by BBear94 on Feb 2, 2006 8:54 AM PST up reply actions

Come on

Do you really think Wooden would advocate the profanity? It's well documented, in his books and other places, that he detests profanity. To say you don't believe it until it comes out of his mouth is just hiding your head in the sand in an attempt to justify bad behavior.

Again, say what you will- that only REAL fans, who GENUINELY hate SC are nuanced enough to appreciate the merits of mindless profanity. But you can't deny with a straight face that Wooden looks down on this type of thing, or that it isn't the kind of atmosphere the younger bruin fans should be subjected to as the price of admission to a rivalry game.

by BBear94 on Feb 2, 2006 8:47 AM PST up reply actions

Speaking of dirty chants

When I attended the University of Texas for business school, at the football games when they played the fight song, there is a line that goes "Hail, Hail, The gang's all here," although since I never learned the true version of this song, I repeated what the rest of the audience said, which was, "Give 'em hell, give 'em hell, make 'em eat shit!" Strangely, I never heard anything out of the Texas AD requesting that we stop such a thing (and this was parodying THE SCHOOL'S OWN FIGHT SONG!), and when you have tens of thousands of people yelling that, I'm sure it's even louder than a few hundred (or thousand) students shouting "FUCK 'SC!"

On the topic of "FUCK 'SC," I've never really had a problem with it (hell, I still say it when the game rolls around), but I can understand how people don't want their kids to hear it. Whenever I went to A's games and sat in the bleacher seats, I made sure there were no kids around when I yelled insults at the other team's outfielders. Classy? No. But I don't hear Red Sox fans being classy towards Yankee fans (or vice-versa). And I know the whole "if everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you do it?" argument is a weak one, but this chant is more or less a tradition. I hate to say it, but if you are going to the UCLA-USC game, you should realize (and maybe not even take your kids, if you are worried about them hearing that kind of thing) that this is going to happen. At the very least, try not to sit near the student section (although I'm sure there will be a fair number of alumni echoing this chant as well). Yes, the easy thing would be for us to stop chanting this, but unfortunately, that is the way this rivalry works.

GO BRUINS. HOOK 'EM HORNS.

by uclawarren on Feb 2, 2006 7:34 AM PST reply actions

Never thought about it like that

But you're absolutely right. There are schools that have fight songs that (most likely) have been altered and re-done by the students with something derogatory or not on the DG list as acceptable behavior at a sporting event. You mentioned Texas has theirs, and I do remember being at the game at Colorado (KDs first game) with them having a saying that goes something like, "Fuck 'em up, Fuck 'em up, go CU!" Was anyone getting their panties in an uproar? Not that I saw, and if they did this against an OOC school like us, im willing to bet that this goes on at every game. Im sure the students say the same thing during basketball too.
Bottom line as someone else mentioned on a different post before, sports and profanity go hand in hand. And you may want not want your kids to hear it now, but in 10 years they will be doing the same thing. You might as well teach them how to do it right.

by UCLA Jay on Feb 2, 2006 7:57 AM PST up reply actions

And by the way

No one has ever accused me of being classy. :)

GO BRUINS. HOOK 'EM HORNS.

by uclawarren on Feb 2, 2006 8:03 AM PST up reply actions

It makes me sad

I remember seeing that sign at the football game this year...and perhaps last year too. It really makes me sad, and as a student I REALLY want to beat SUC before i leave, which only gives me one-two more games...

by bluejoe on Feb 2, 2006 7:47 AM PST reply actions

Calling Wooden a liar

That's a great way to make friends around here.

That said, I am forced to agree that using the word "fuck" is hardly a tradition worth arguing for.

by BBear94 on Feb 2, 2006 9:26 AM PST reply actions

On Wooden

You may think I have an axe to grind here, but I don't.

I actually have been over to Wooden's apartment in Encino before. He's a great man and very wise. But he's human, just like you and me.

I know a lot of old basketball guys from those days, mostly from the 50s and early 60s. Coaches and players. Now, I can't vouch for the later years when Wooden was winning titles, but these guys tell me that he used to cuss up quite a storm through that rolled up program when they went up against him. Now, it may well be sour grapes, but these guys are pretty quick to talk about how great Wooden and those teams were as well, so I think they are being honest. They don't say it with bitterness, just as a matter of fact.

by Heismanpundit on Feb 2, 2006 10:55 AM PST up reply actions

I remember reading...

an article that I think was in the times about 2 years ago right before the SC football game. And it was an article on Geoff (the alum cheerleader guy, "Not yet, Not yet, but NOW!!") and he spoke of John Wooden and said that he was at a hoops game many years ago and he cussed during the game and John Wooden came up to him after the game and told him that he would appreciate him not cussing. And since that day, he says he has never used profanity during a game. Now the truth to the story, I have no idea. I dont know John Wooden personally, and I have never even been one of the people going up to him asking him for an autograph during a game. John Wooden seems like a great guy, and I personally would believe he was against profanity.

by UCLA Jay on Feb 2, 2006 11:09 AM PST up reply actions

Dan the Man

From the LA Times:

"It was, Guerrero says, the only time he has heard such a collective chant from his student body at any athletic event against any opponent."

Whatever your impressions of "class," or whether or not this chant should be allowed, doesn't this statement sound a little fishy? He has been AD for about 4 years, and Dan Guerrero claims he has NEVER heard UCLA fans chanting "F--k 'SC" at a sporting event?

Either he is full of "doo-doo," or he has never attended a UCLA-USC sporting event. Of course, this could go back to my original hypothesis, but either way, this is a strange quote.

GO BRUINS. HOOK 'EM HORNS.

by uclawarren on Feb 2, 2006 10:06 AM PST reply actions

As opposed to the time honored SC traditions of...

drug dealing, sexual assault, violence against women, brandishing of weapons, solicitation, murder, defrauding SAT's, etc., etc., etc.

Get over yourself and your joke of a "university."

by Ajax on Feb 2, 2006 1:57 PM PST reply actions

That's too funny

I thought that UCLA was done talking about other school's players breaking the law after Medlock pulled his stunt.

I guess not.

The real question is how many of those things you listed was Daryl Henley involved in?

by Heismanpundit on Feb 2, 2006 3:12 PM PST up reply actions

I wish

This had come from Wooden's mouth rather than DG. I can easily see the student section jokingly telling an invisible DG to fuck off, but if Wooden had written the statement, it'd be in the next Den Newsletter, and probably in all future ones too.

I have no real opinion on BEAT vs FUCK, but to kick a dead horse (since this post brought it back to two legs), I am happy that they changed Beat sc week to Blue and Gold Week. I've argued with suc 'friends' many times about how UCLA owns them in almost every way, but one thing they got me on was about how troy week was about personal school pride, while beat sc week was about 'the other school'.

by ranelar on Feb 2, 2006 2:29 PM PST reply actions