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The Donahue Syndrome

I know I should be pivoting, but it appears that the Bruin's lackluster performance against Rice this past Saturday inspired a bit of a debate.  

There are those, including myself, who believe that UCLA has some serious issues that they need to deal with if they are going to have a truly great season.  I'm not ready to "write off the season," as they say, but the sheen is certainly off the apple.  

One of the most fun things about college football is the limitless possibilities.  Everyone starts undefeated, and as the season opens, there's always that glimmer of hope that maybe, just maybe, all the commentators are wrong, and that we've got ourselves a championship caliber football team ready to do something special.  It's a fun time, and I like the unflagging optimism.


"Dude, I'm telling you, she's totally into me."

But, after this past Saturday, I gotta say that, while I think UCLA is certainly still capable of meeting our minimum expectations, I also believe that the Bruin's aren't going to find themselves anywhere near a Pac-10 title or a BCS game this year.  

If I'm wrong, great.  I'll happily take my crow with some salt and a cold bottle of Franziskaner.  But, in my humble opinion, barely beating an awful Rice team reasonably foreshadows a less than stellar season ahead of us.  And it also has revealed some troubling shadows from past less than stellar seasons.  I suppose we can all debate exactly how bad of a team the Owls are, but that's pointless.  There's no disputing that they're bad.  And, really, there's no disputing that even a 26-16 win against Rice wasn't what one should expect from a championship caliber team.  A school like UCLA should never limp by a lower tier team from a nothing conference.  The only real question is how bad it was.

Now that I've said this, I'm sure a fair number of fans will be in a right huff.  For some, there's no place for any criticism of the team, or it's coaches, even by genuine fans who have the program's best interests at heart.  And some people have no patience for anyone who is unwilling to express anything besides the party line.

The responses are varied, but common refrains include that people like myself: (a) are not a real Bruin fans; (b) just hate Karl Dorrell; (c) don't support the players, and/or (d) are just unreasonable fans with crazy expectations, among others.

After all, we are 2-0!!!  And, whatever happens this year is just gravy, since next year is the really going to be where UCLA is going to make run at it.  You know, we're still rebuilding, are starting a new QB, lost all those players, and.... blah blah blah.

Why does this happen?  Why can't some UCLA fans tolerate a few reasonable, fact-based criticisms of their team without having a cow about it?  Why do some fans so reflexively come to the defense of the team that they are willing to attack other fans who are just as passionate about Bruin football as they are?

Maybe it's just that evolution and society has engrained in us a remarkable ability to cope with bad situations, and circle the wagons in the face of adversity.  Us silly humans also seem to have an inherent psychological predisposition to remember bad things as better than they were; to see the bright side.  Call it selective perception, or some other psycho-jargon.  

Or maybe it's something else.  Maybe, its something about our experiences from the not-so-distant past have made us this way.  Maybe it's the decades of mediocrity from a football team that enjoys almost every natural advantage, be it location, academics, talent pool, etc.  Maybe it's a defense mechanism, born of almost inexplicable ineptitude relative to what one would expect from a university like UCLA that is on the brink of earning it's 100th NCAA championship.  Maybe we have some inherent need to revel in a close victory to a shitty team so long as it gets us one step closer to that 8-4 season we have become all too willing to accept.  I'll call it the Donahue Syndrome.


"A win is an f'ing win!  Rice, Smice!"

Old habits die hard.  But the days of accepting an ugly win against a bad team in route to an uninspiring season need to come to an end.  Yes, winning by 10 to a team like Rice should be a cause for concern.  As best as I can tell, the only reason it isn't for some is that they have bought into the concept of the gutty little Bruins and adorable losers.  And, for me, Homie don't play that.

And, frankly, I think this kind of attitude is much more damaging than a little post game criticism after a disappointing showing.

GO BRUINS.

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Expectations are NOT lowered.
I still demand at least a 9 - 3 season with a win over $c. The Rice game was horrible but I'm not ready to write our boys off or lower my expectations because of one uninspired game. Conversely I won't go overboard with praise after we dominate UW. It was one game. If this pattern of play continues then yes we are in trouble. Thats not going to happen. We are going to be fine. 11 - 1! Beat Southern Cal. Down with Jon Booty. GO BRUINS!!!

by bruinelder on Sep 12, 2006 3:59 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A little
EXTREME!!!

Maybe you need to lay of the BOOZE,dude.

Its good to know that you'll stand behind the team, "Through the good times and the great times"-Philly sportswriter commenting about T.O.

At least you can look past the positives and bring out "Unbias real look at the bruins"-Sarcasm

Blahblahblah is all I'm hearing from your post, do you have anything positive to say about this team....ever.

Making fun of/Bashing Bruin fans who like to look to the POSITVE side of the coin is unfair and wrong!!!!!

If the bruins get 9 wins and beat SC I'll be sure to hand you some WATER TO DRINK.

GO BRUINS!!!

by uclabruins05 on Sep 12, 2006 4:01 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh
If you are so concerned about accentuating the positives, then why don't you go ahead post a diary laying out all the positives that happened during the Rice game, and why in your judgment the game showed everything is peachy.

Instead of whining about constantly in the comment thread why don't you lay out your case with some cogent arguments.

And BTW attacking/insulting the moderators will get you banned. And that is something not unique to BN. That happens in every online community.

Carry on.

by Nestor on Sep 12, 2006 4:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A lot ridiculous
Besides being insulting, your comment is mostly nonsense and, when you manage to say something coherent, you just prove my point.  Look how much you've managed to get your knickers in a twist over my having the temerity to suggest that the Bruins didn't play a great game against Rice, and that some people just can't tolerate hearing that.  I'm happy to see that you've elected argument "(a)" by suggesting that I'm not a real Bruin fan.  Nicely.

by Menelaus on Sep 12, 2006 4:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's "unfair" and "wrong"
to point out where the team needs improvement in order to reasonably meet the minimum expectations?  Blahblahblah is all I'm hearing from your response considering that it's heavy on the insults and light on the facts.  Might want to consider tweaking that ratio a bit.

by scittles on Sep 12, 2006 5:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice post M
I have to say the back and forth discussion here has been great.

At least we are not getting embroiled in the 'crank' v. 'blue' nonsense, which often turns message boards into unreadable cesspool.

And yes it can't be said enough that days "days of accepting an ugly win against a bad team in route to an uninspiring season" are officially over.

It won't happen here on BN.

by Nestor on Sep 12, 2006 4:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rice Game Was No/Account.
Come on, it was a "walk through,"  - a dress rehearsal for the real season which begins with the Washington game, same as was the Utah game.

 What you don't want to see is a team too emotionally high against a non-descript opponent, then coming out flat against the next-scheduled conference rival.  This teame should now be primed and ready for a top effort in a meaningful game.   No team can be "up" and sharp every week for 12 games.  It is to their benefit the Bruins took the week off, including Saturday.  Find a better story-line, next time.

Red Sanders - Dick Vermeil - Terry Donahue - Bob Toledo = They still inspire me knowing of their leadership qualities and record of achievement.

by Snakedance on Sep 12, 2006 4:24 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doesn't fly ..
We actually want to see a team that comes out like a well balanced/coached machine who come out focused and determined every game. That's not really too much to ask for.

Again it's an argument we saw during the Lavin era when we heard excuses how UCLA was having a little off day against non-descript OOC teams who were playing at a magic level.

That story line never worked and it won't this time.

by Nestor on Sep 12, 2006 4:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree also
"Bear" with me as I may butcher exactly how he said it but I hope my intent is understood.

John Wooden did not want his teams emotionally sky high or conversely, too low. He wanted them prepared for the teams they were playing by demonstrating on the court what they learned in practice.

I think this is where KD fell off the horse at the Rice game and he needs to do something about it.

I think how we play against UW with two weeks to work out the kinks shown in the first two games will give a good indication of where this team is heading for the rest of the season.

by artybruin on Sep 12, 2006 4:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RICE IS NOT USC, NOT EVEN "SOUTHERN CAL"
Oh hell,the Bruins didn't come out for the Rice game like it was the USC game.  CURSES!  We are sunk, now.
Red Sanders - Dick Vermeil - Terry Donahue - Bob Toledo = They still inspire me knowing of their leadership qualities and record of achievement.

by Snakedance on Sep 13, 2006 8:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Happy talk
Of course, no team can be "up" every game.  But to suggest that it's not an issue when one of the down games is against an NCAA doormat, then you may be letting your perspective slip.  A down game against even a lower half Pac-10 team is one thing, but to think we still are likely to win the Pac-10 or get to a BCS game after a showing like Saturday against a team like Rice?  I personally just don't think so.

And I love the rationalization!  It was a great thing that we didn't have a good game, otherwise we would have been on too much of an "emotional high."

Listen, if you don't like to hear this stuff, I understand.  Some things in life are totally pleasant.  

by Menelaus on Sep 12, 2006 4:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SPEAK FOR YOURSELF (Not For Me)
You (probably deliberately) distorted my meaning. Did I say "It's a good thing we didn't have a great game?"  No, YOU said that, putting words in my mouth.  I suggested that it not only is ok if you are flat in a walk-through win against an uninspiring/ non-conference opponent, I also suggested that NO ONE, not even God Almighty's team from Heaven via South Bend, can be "up" throughout the entire schedule.  

If you want your team to go through the charage of treating every Saturday like it is life and death, and that potential victory over the anti-Christ is riding on the outcome/beating the point spread = FINE!  Just don't put that fantasy-world delusion on me.  

So how much money did you lose when the Bruins failed to cover?  Can we be honest here as to the REAL reason underlying our little hyper-critical rants?

Red Sanders - Dick Vermeil - Terry Donahue - Bob Toledo = They still inspire me knowing of their leadership qualities and record of achievement.

by Snakedance on Sep 13, 2006 8:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You supported Lavin too, didn't ya?
Doesn't take losing a bet to see that the team had problems against a vastly inferior team in Rice.  And apparently your definition of hyper-critical is anything shattering the, as you put it, "fantasy-world delusion" where everything is fine, and the Bruins are on track to go undefeated.

It shouldn't and doesn't take a super human effort to beat a team like Rice by 10 points.  It does take a mistake-riddled, uninspired performance to do that though.

by scittles on Sep 13, 2006 8:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a dumb post ..
M didn't write anywhere that every Saturday has to be like "it is life and death."

All we are looking for is efficient, well coached, performance every weekend. We didn't get that pass weekend, and are offering just observations.

That is all.

It's really you who is doing the silly ranting.

by Nestor on Sep 14, 2006 4:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh geez
First called a booze hound; now accused of being a disgruntled gambler.  Nice.

And I love the faux indignation at my alleged "putting words in [your] mouth". You said:

It is to their benefit the Bruins took the week off

Is that really so different from what I said (in jest):

It's a good thing we didn't have a great game

Also, you just plain make up some jibberish about me thinking that every game is "life and death" and armagedon.

I don't know if you're trying to wow us with your bad manners, or lack of credibility.

The good news is that you've accomplished both.

by Menelaus on Sep 14, 2006 7:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

M & N
You got me lmao this morning. Sharp and to the point, you too Nestor.

I'm still laughing.

GO BRUINS!!!

by artybruin on Sep 14, 2006 8:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice job Menalaus...
What some people fail to realize or remember, is that Rice was within a TD late in the game. One poorly located fumble, one errant out pattern, one fluke punt return, and we would have witnessed one of the most humiliating losses since, well, Wyoming?

During that third quarter, I couldn't help but to think of Lavin's final disgrace to the UCLA basketball program--the loss to CSUN.

Why is this still happening in year 4?

by Ajax on Sep 12, 2006 4:29 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please Allow Me to Introduce Myself
I graduated UCLA in '78 and discovered this site during last year's BB season. I've thoroughly enjoyed the postings, especially the film clips.

While everything was positive during the Bruins' title run, the onset of the FB season has created a much different atmosphere on this board.

There is no dispute that the Rice game was a major disappointment. My biggest gripe is that KD's teams have been unable to build on well-played games to gain some momentum and instill a winning, dominating attitude among the players. It was hard to believe that post-game quotes from players indicated their attitude that they took Rice too lightly. KD must not allow this to happen simply because his team is not good enough to take any opponent too lightly. They can only become good enough by stringing together solid efforts on both sides of the ball -- something KD's teams have yet to accomplish.

That being said, I believe that some here are overreacting. They have only played two games. If they played like this in Game 5 or 6, that's another story. Let's give them a few more games before pronouncing a wasted season.

That's all for now for this "newbie." I hope to be a regular poster to this very informative and entertaining site.

by 78Bruin on Sep 12, 2006 4:37 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice start.
Well put. Hope to read more from you in the future.

GO BRUINS!!!!

by bruinelder on Sep 12, 2006 4:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Welcome aboard
To be clear, I wasn't declaring it a wasted season.  I was only lamenting my own personal opinion that UCLA will very likely not have a truly great season this year.  They may will meet our expectations by winning 9 games including a win against Southern Cal, but you just don't barely beat a team like Rice, in the way the Bruins just did, and then reel off 11 more wins.  Like I said, I'd be a very happy camper if we do.  But, I don't think it's likely.

Of course, my larger point was about expectations, and my belief that some fans are too willing to rationalize this kind of performance, and then later accept a year that is less successful than what I think UCLA can reasonably obtain.

by Menelaus on Sep 12, 2006 4:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hear Hear...
Let's wait until we've played a couple conference games before we really place judgement on this team. As far as I can see, I think we're playing more inspired defense. We're not going to rack up points against many teams this year, but as long as we can keep improving on defense, I'll be somewhat happy. Give Ben some time to get up to speed, let the defense gel a bit more, give the offensive line some time to get some experience, and then we'll be able to make some clear arguments either way...

GO BRUINS!

by norcalbruin95 on Sep 12, 2006 4:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YOU FALL CORRECTED
Correction:  The Rice game was a MINOR disappointment.  The USC game the last seven years has been a MAJOR disappointment.
Red Sanders - Dick Vermeil - Terry Donahue - Bob Toledo = They still inspire me knowing of their leadership qualities and record of achievement.

by Snakedance on Sep 13, 2006 8:48 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is nuts
Nobody called it a wasted season.  NOBODY.  Nobody demanded Karl be fired (well, except for DD, but that's pretty explicit in his name).  Please stop using that straw man.  

The Bruins played a horrible football game.  They were critiqued rather harshly, by me and others.  People began to complain about the criticism.  Everything is fine.  Okay, a disagreement.

If the Bruins play a very good football game, Karl and the team will be roundly praised, as they were against Utah.  That's how it works.

That's it.  That's what happened.  Many people are concerned that Karl will be another perennial 8-4 football coach.  Others are not.

Please, everybody.  We're all Bruins here.

Go Bruins...F@#$% SC... UCLA Fight Fight Fight!

by HomeBruin on Sep 12, 2006 5:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice post Menelaus
As usual, a well thought out and articulated post.

Obviously the loss against Rice was bad news. It seems like we just let ourselves go and even gave a chance to a team which we should have completely blown out. There were no positives to take from this game.

But the one thing that we have to hope about this game is that it serves as a wake up call, much like the SC basketball game last year. We lost to an inferior team, but that just made our team play harder and we ended up with a great season.

We did make the 9 wins & beat SC expectation from Dorrell and that goal is still plenty alive. Hopefully our team wakes up to their potential and rallies together after this poor showing and shows us what they're made of. I'll be doing my best to help by being at every home game. GO BRUINS!!!

by sfatoo on Sep 12, 2006 5:59 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just one nitpick
I'd say there were a couple positives.  The explosion of the running game for one thing.  If we were unable to run the ball against Rice when they refused to come out of pass defense, we would have REAL problems this season, but we WERE able to run, so at least we know that we have the capability to TAKE what the defense gives us.  I'd also say that the defense impressed me.  Outside of that one play that broke open for a touchdown, I saw a lot of improvements over last year.  There were some broken tackles later in the game when our defense had been on the field seemingly the entire game due to turnovers, but that goal line stand off of the muffed punt resulting in negative yardage and a missed field goal?  That was a thing of beauty.

by scittles on Sep 12, 2006 6:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Positives and Negatives
I think you are overemphasizing this poor performance. I've been thinking through this on BRO

First, you are really discounting the defensive effort.  I think this is the lowest total yardage (maybe points)in 2 consecutive games in like 20 years for UCLA.  That's good no matter how bad the opponents.  Than you consider that much of the rice yardage came on 2 plays, and that we continually turned the ball over to get them good field position and putting the D back in in quick change situations, and the performance really does look amazing.

Next, on the offense.  3 factors are the new clock rules and the turnovers and the injuries along the OL.  Rice game planned well by gambling everything on taking away the pass.  Running eats up a lot of clock and relies on wearing down the opponent as the game goes on.  When you continually turn the ball over you score even less and you don't wear the opponent down.  So even though we dominated yardage wise the T.O.'s stripped the effectivness from the running game. And the new clock rules magnified the time lost.

Finally, the pass pro and to a lesser extent the run game was hampered by Sutherland and Lanis being out for portions of the game. you need a group of OL that has worked together to pickup the crazy blitzes.  

Positives: the OL can run it, at least against rice.  Given how well they opened holes, they can probably run decent against most of our opponents.

The D is good.

Even on bad days Ben maintains enough composure to throw some nice balls.

Negatives:
if we don't decrease the T.O.s, we will lose a lot.

The OL and Ben need to work more on blitzes and quick hitters.  That's not surprising this early into an OL.  OLs take time and luckily we have the schedule that will allow them to learn.

bad playcalling-if we were playcalling to score max points rather than work on some things. I think Svoboda was working on OL basics.

Special teams-this is the one unalloyed negative.  Coverage and return units sucked.  

bottomline: I think the clock rules make a grind it out running style more risky because you don't have time to make up for turnovers or early fizzling drives and the game is too short to wear teams down.  So it will be a good strategy for undermanned teams to take away the pass and hope for a few breaks.  I predict you will see a number of close shaves and upsets as teams understand this.  I am worried about the special teams and OL  breakdowns, but at least the OL breakdowns can reasonably be attributed to injuries and inexperience. From various people I do not think motivation was the problem, which was my first worry.

by OsoPuro on Sep 12, 2006 6:00 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

applause on the moderator's post and the comments
I am an overly sensitive parent of a young man on the scout team (who works his butt off with 8 hours of football per day, plus classes for the likelihood of no reward beyond love of football and the school).  I imprudently criticized this website for what I perceived was a lack of support for the team and the program -- imprudent because I am a newbie. I provide all of that only as context to say that I appreciated every word of the moderator's post above, and the dialog and all of the comments which follow.  It is a heartfelt and meaningful dialog.  It cuts to the heart of the issue of what we should be as fans, and it is extremely well done.  Applause and keep it coming.  Respectfully, converso.

GO BRUINS!

by converso on Sep 12, 2006 6:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice to see you didn't leave
The more brains, the more great ideas, the better the dialogue.  Stick around!
Go Bruins...F@#$% SC... UCLA Fight Fight Fight!

by HomeBruin on Sep 12, 2006 6:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My two cents
Ok, now like everyone here, I was very disappointed in our performance on Saturday.  It's easy for all of us to point fingers, but at least those who point fingers use facts to support their points, and I certainly respect that.  What has baffled me the past couple of days are the people who come on this board and attack Nestor, Menelaus, etc. by saying that they aren't true fans.  I participate in this website because I find it incredible that I can share my UCLA experiences (good and bad) with people who are just as passionate as me.

Look, we all want the best for UCLA.  I think the minimum expectations that we set back in spring are reasonable.  How we get there, I don't really care, as long as we do.  I'm just sick and tired of these Southern Cal bandwagon fans.  I'll say it again, we just have to beat those fuckers!

by bruinbabe2000 on Sep 13, 2006 10:17 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Menelaus, I feel your pain
26 - 16 against Rice, in the 2nd game OR THE 5TH game of the season, is not acceptable.  We know we're all bruin fans here.  But some of us expect more from the football team.  If anyone thinks 8 - 4 is good enough, then the Rice game isn't a big deal.  But i'm sorry, i've been watching a team across town beating the snot out of people, taking no prisoners.  If we want a tough powerhouse of a football team, KD and the rest of the staff better look at some teams like Texas, Florida, Ohio State, Notre Dame and SC . . . they wouldn't beat Rice by only 10 points, and they certainly wouldn't look as sloppy as the bruins did against them.  I think Washington is a HUGE game, let's see what they can do on the road.  I think they'll be ok.  If they can increase the intesity and play like it's Utah and NOT Rice, they'll be victorious!!

by TheStick on Sep 13, 2006 12:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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