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Random Thoughts on Yesterday's Game

Bumped. Actually this diary fits perfectly front and center of Bruins Nation. GO BRUINS. -N

These Don't Seem to Fit Anywhere Else.

I stayed out of the fray last night. Hard to take seriously a bunch of people who only come over when we win, to gloat and talk trash. When they can explain and justify Utah and ND, I'll read their posts.

I watched the game on TV yesterday, and had to pay attention -- I was the "play-by-play" poster for our brothers and sisters who didn't have TV in their areas.

Here are some thoughts:

  1. The D: The best part of the D was the adjustments Walker made at half. For once, we made significant changes. Longshore was 16-19 for 173 yards passing at the half. Not good. We played a much better second half against the pass.

    In the first half, a gimpy Longshore had all the time he needed to throw. We didn't get to him until the second half. I assme that our adjustments brought that about. Good Job, DW.

    But, I am not ready to call DW a defensive genious, yet. This is exactly the type of O he has handled. It is a "pro" style O, drop back passer -- not the spread that has been so successful against us in other games. This is the type of O we should handle, easily.

    When will be stop being vulnerable to the pass?

    My hope is that DW can get us off to a better start in the remaining games and continue to make good adjustments.

    All that said, we were saved, once more, by an interception. AV is a great player and I am pleased for him. But, CTS can take no more credit for this interception than the one that sealed 13-9. Great players make great plays in spite of the coaching.

  2. SPTR -- really in evidence yesterday. And, unlike in most games when the calls are evenly bad and split down the middle, these calls were truly bad against us. The obvious leg whip, and Austin's non existent PI (I saw the replay, it wasn't there) could have been game determining calls. Every since I joined BN, Nestor has been calling for better Pac 10 officials, in all sports. We really need that. They should not decide games.
I liked the fact that CTS went after the ref's. It was an appropriate show of passion.
  1. The 4th and 1 call? Need anyone say anything? He should be fired for that, alone. Or, did he know that AV was going to intercept a pass and run it in? Was that a planned play?
  2. Just as the Cal O was tailor made for our D, so too was the Cal D made for our O. RRR works against Cal. It doesn't work against other D's and our coaches have to figure out how to take advantage of what other D's give us.
That's why many of us predicted a win in this game.

We weren't brilliant. The real minds in college football saw this coming, too. The Vegas odds makers -- the real minds -- didn't put up a line for most of the week. They finally posted Cal by 1.5.

This supports our mainstay posters who have been making clear, to last night's "visitors", that this can't be seen as a big upset over a superior team. In fact, pre-season we all expected to be undefeated at this point in the season. We counted this game as a win. it only seems to be an "upset" because we have been playing so far below our potential that we now can't predict any easy wins.

And, when I say playing below our potential, I am calling out the coaches not the players.

For those of you visitors calling us out as "haters" -- and challenging us to "support our players" -- what the fuck are you talking about?

If you can read, you've seen a consistent pattern: the coaches throw the players under the bus when we lose, and claim they are driving it when we win.

Here at BN, we support our players. And, we point out when the coaches don't.

You really don't want to go there.

  1. We do not have one solid win this season. Not one. In that way, this is very much like the 10-2 year. Then and now, we are winning on freak plays -- plays not called by a coach -- made by great athletes who refuse to lose. (Unless the coaches want to take credit for teams punting to MJD instead of away from him and his athletic runbacks, OSU's complete failure in the kicking game, and Longshore's throwing a pass directly to AV.)
  2. The misuse of "parity" to excuse our play: We have yet to play one team that has talent on a par, or in parity with ours. When the commentators talk about teams losing to other teams because of parity, they are talking about good teams losing to good teams. The concept is that with even talent, either team can win.
No one thinks Utah or ND have talent at our level. No one thinks Stanford, Washington or OSU have talent at our level. The fact that we lost two of those games and barely escaped the others is  not because they were equally talented -- it was because our coaches did not take advantage of our superior talent.

Cal's talent was probably closest to ours. But, remember, we were projected, before the season, to win that game.

There is another type of parity involved in some games -- parity of coaching. We have been outcoached in every game but Cal.

This was a good win and I am pleased. Like most here, I can't cheer against us, I want to win out and I think that's a distinct possibility.

But, unlike most, I do not think winning out, and winning the Pac 10 SHOULD solidify CTS's job. I think that job was lost last year, especially at the nut bowl,  during the Utah and ND games. Gone and lost. Lost on yesterday's 4th and 1. Gone and lost. So, let's win out. Let's cheer and enjoy. No AD in his right mind will keep this poser on the field. If CTS is here next year, DG won't be here long.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Nice work 66
I was somewhat taken aback, in the first half, why we were not trying to, frankly, knock Longshore out of the game.

Now, before anyone gets their panties all ruffled, I'm not talking about deliberately injuring him.  The guy was obviously hurting going in, and if you knock him down good a couple times, he's probably coming out.  

IMHO, we should have been all over him the first half, but we really weren't.

You mentioned that we could win out this year.  I've been saying we could "lose out" this year (meaning, we lose every remaining game).  That's the crazy thing about Dorrell's teams--they could win every game or, just as easily, lose every game.  

So, if UCLA's talent level generally stays the same from week to week, what is the reason for this inconsistent play of ours?  It's called bad coaching, folks.

by Barnes2JJ on Oct 21, 2007 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

The same solid comments by sjh
I think the point that needs to be emphasized is that CTS should be out no matter what he does the rest of the year.  He should be out for Utah.  He should be out for Notre Dame.  He should definitely, unquestionably be out for Utah and Notre Dame in the same season.  Those two games show that his body of work is no different that it was coming into the season.

Can this team, with it's current group of coaches, win all the rest of the games?  I doubt it, because it is hard to believe that this win means that somehow our head coach has figured things out.  In fact, it seems likely that just the opposite is true.  It looks in many respects like business as usual for CTS.  My expectation was a 4-8 record, but obviously I have to revise that to 5-7.  The sooner CTS starts losing, the better, because that enhances the likelihood that the team will improve next year with his departure.  

I expected a win against Cal, and was glad to see it for the sake of the players.  But it truly is bad in the long run especially for the students, to the extent that it means CTS might be back next year.  A bad analogy coming, so be ready.  The next five games are our chemotherapy.  If they are pleasant, it might be good in the short run, but it means that the cancer is likely to still be there, and that's bad in the long run.

by Fox 71 on Oct 21, 2007 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Vegas Oddsmakers
must get migraines when setting lines on UCLA games. They are by far the most inconsistent team in the country.

But here's a pretty good rule of thumb on the Bruins: if UCLA is riding high feeling good about themselves, looking ahead, and the other team seems seriously overmatched, give the edge to Bruin opponents. If Dorrell looks like he's one embarrassing loss away from getting canned, and the Bruins are playing an emotion-filled, high energy, rivalry-type game, give the edge to UCLA.

"If I don't do my job, I will get fired" -Karl Dorrell

by godblesstyus95 on Oct 21, 2007 2:20 PM PDT reply actions  

OT
Jrue Holiday, Jerime Anderson, Malcolm Lee and Drew Gordon, four Ben Ball recruits who gave oral commitments to UCLA, were at the game yesterday, so says yesterday's LAT.

Nice to have the guys actually see us play well and win before a sell-out crowd in an emotional game.

by Barnes2JJ on Oct 21, 2007 3:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Win out...
and still fire KD?  Oh yeah..that'll happen.  What an asinine comment to make.  If we win out...win the pac-10..win the rose bowl...which is what "win out" will mean....then no way kd is gone.  bitch and whine all you want, but that's the reality.  But as i've said before, you will always find some nugget to validate your tired and old animosity.  It sure would be nice to see something fresh around here for a change.  These posts are repetitive and boring.

by simibruin on Oct 21, 2007 3:52 PM PDT reply actions  

And yet
you keep coming back with your own repetitive and boring posts.  Do you have anything new to say or is this it?

Why don't you post when UCLA loses?

by Barnes2JJ on Oct 21, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to be a stickler for logic here but...
He said it SHOULDN'T solidify KD's position not that it wouldn't.  

The opinion is based on the level of job competence demonstrated by our coach in all games, not just wins or losses.  Overall the tone here has been and will remain, that KD is not performing to the level expected for a UCLA head coach.  (Until proven otherwise)  These wins do not prove that KD is a good coach.  If he continues to win games in similar fashion on a consistent basis then the tone will become less vicious, but it will not go away.  Lucky wins when your team has many advantages, SHOULD NOT solidify any coach's job security.  KD is not responsible for individual greatness such as Eric McNeal's INT or Al Verner's.  These were game savers.  While the team did play better 12-2-06 and 10-20-07, they still remain statistical outliers, anomalies if you will.

I would like an answer to this though, in the interest of altering the "repetitive and boring" posts you are complaining about: On what do you base your conclusion that any of these posters speak out against KD based on a "tired and old animosity"?  Why do you try to disparage this position (KD must leave for the good of the program) but give no proof, and only offer a veiled hint that it is mearly a personal beef?  

Many of us would love an honest dialog and some real proof of KD's merits, so anything you can provide would be super.

by isodore on Oct 21, 2007 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Something fresh
You mean kind of like your...oh wait that's right, you don't contribute jackshit. All you do is reserve the right to bitch about what others contribute. I don't see any reasons based on coaching performance why a "fresh perspective" is warranted. If you have any, let's here it, or STFU AND GTFO. Kthxbye.

by Tydides on Oct 21, 2007 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of repetitive and boring...
less than thirty minutes before posting the gem above, you penned the following very similar comment to a different post on the front page of BN.

yawwwwwn...
these rants are old and tiresome.  It's the same bitch and moan day after day.  You and the millions of other "next day quarterbacks" will always find something to whine about...be it a season, game, play, quote...whatever.  You have become repetitive, dull, and mean.  There is absolutely nothing new in any of your posts.  News flash...other thoughts and opinions exist.  Many of us do not live in a vacuum with blinders on.  We are capapble of independent thought and do not succumb to group think.  Of course, those who engage in actual independent thought are ridiculed for not adhering to party line.  Whatever.

by simibruin on Sun Oct 21, 2007 at 03:29:39 PM PDT

Again, rather than complain about the posts of others, why don't you try offering us readers some insight/content on UCLA sports? I for one would like to see you write a clear case as to why those of us who want nothing less than KD's departure are wrong. Make it your own diary entry for all to see. Don't include your standard complaining just clear and concise facts as to why BN has it wrong.

by UCngLA on Oct 21, 2007 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gee, Simi . . .
. . . I bet Uncle Karl is sooooooo proud of you.
The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Oct 21, 2007 6:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Great Post!
And I agree with Fox the unfortunately the more wins KD wins the harder it will be for him to get fired...and there is no way in hell he is going to win the Pac-10 title, but if he manages to go somehow 8-4 or 7-5 he still might be around next year.    And if he is around then DG must then be held accountable!

by abby8065 on Oct 21, 2007 6:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry, Abbs
but I don't agree that 7-5 saves anyone's bacon.  Not this year.  Not with this much talent and with this, ahem, optimal schedule. 7-5 is another Lavin-style grid year, esp if the three additional losses include one road flop in either Pullman or Tucson.  And heaven knows that's one trick this pony already knows.
The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Oct 21, 2007 6:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Absolutely right!! This year's team was supposed
to be in the thick of the BCS race, not just competing for the PAC-10 title.  Whatver the final record, CTS has underachieved big time this season, and for all the good playcalling still CTS continues to make bad onfield decisions at crucial moments that are obvious to all but himself, and his players, not his coaching, saved him agains Cal.

Even if by some miracle we DO win the PAC-10 and CTS gets a bowl win ( A big IF) it will be because of our players not CTS.  

The universty, the players, and the fans deserve mcuh better leadership than the embarassment we have in CTS.  

by bruinhawk on Oct 21, 2007 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Simi post
Here is the challenge to Simi.... can you do two things:
  1. Post something that advances an idea or concept that you have thought of as regards the UCLA football program, and has some sense of logic or fact.
  2. Do this post with an absence of personal comments about other posters.
As a general comment, I do believe that all the posters here are aware that KD is the HC, has had a commitment from UCLA regarding his staying on for some time (as in 5 years), and that DG has stated publically, as has KD, that the goals for UCLA football are to contend for a BCS bowl every year, win the PAC-10, and beat SC. If you start from there to advance your own idea or concept, then the store of ideas and thought on BN will be advanced. Thanks.
Bill
BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on Oct 21, 2007 7:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Simi won't be heard from again until
UCLA beats up on another doormat like WSU.

by bluegold on Oct 21, 2007 8:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Excellent Post, 66
Very well said and thought out.  

FWIW, I'm very worried about our game up in Pullman this next Saturday.  Given our recent history with the Cougs we could come crashing back to earth in frightening fashion.  As bad as I want to get a top-level coach to grab the reigns of our program, I don't want to see that happen.

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Oct 21, 2007 9:31 PM PDT reply actions  

About the D
While all of the coaches deserve the criticism they get for their otherwise inconsistent play, I did see this (and I don't know if anyone already posted this), but I guess it should be noted that film study supposedly caused Verner's pick:
Coaches can forgive gambles that pay off. Yet it wasn't really a risk, was it?

"When he motions down, they've only done that a couple of times, I thought something had to be going on," Verner said. "Right when he came off the ball, I had a feel for what he was going to do, and right when he broke, I thought: `I've got it.' I broke, the ball came and I stepped in front of him. I caught it and knew I could get to the end zone. I didn't see anybody in front of me."

and the same thing from DW:

He, along with UCLA's other defensive backs, didn't hide the fact Verner seemed to know what was coming.

"Oh yeah, we've seen that a couple of times," Walker said. "As a matter of fact, we'd just watched it (on Friday)."

So even if Dorrell's incompetence almost cost UCLA the game, I guess it should be noted when one of the coaches does something right.  Kind of sad that doing one's job correctly is cause for celebration, but perhaps it isn't pure luck that Verner made the interception.

By the way, I don't think running the table should guarantee Dorrell's job.  I think he has done enough to show that he should be out of here.  I am hoping that Guerrero feels the same way, so hopefully we can have the best of both worlds, and have UCLA win out AND have him fired afterwards!

GO BRUINS. HOOK 'EM HORNS.

by uclawarren on Oct 21, 2007 9:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Uh no
DeWayne Walker is on record saying he didn't study Cal tapes all that much going into last year's game. So he studied game tapes going into this year's game with a bye week. Big f**cking deal. He should be doing that every week and not expecting a pat on the back for it. Whatever.

by Nestor on Oct 22, 2007 4:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Verner's Interception Eligible for Two Awards
FYI - Saw this on UCLA's Official Athletic site. You can vote for ATV's INT as the Pontiac Game Changing Performance for Week 8 as well as the AT&T All-America Player of the Week.

by mark the bruin on Oct 21, 2007 10:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Excellent
Thanks for posting the link.  You might want to diary this up to give this some more attention.

by Barnes2JJ on Oct 22, 2007 4:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

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