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It's the record, stupid!

I have been among those who have wanted KD gone for some time, and I still do.  13-9 was a "gutty" win, but it continued the water torture for another year.

I also applaud those who have criticized KD objectively, pointing out the frustrating inconsistency of his record, the poor preparation and the continued pitiful performance against inferior teams.

I am bothered, however, by the personal nastiness and characterizations by some towards KD which insult his intelligence, his demeanor or attitude.  If I'm honest, I've probably been guilty of this myself in the past.  

Now that the writing is on the wall, we all need to cut it out.  No one should be happy with anyone's firing, even when that person deserves it.  Particularly in this case, no one can question KD's commitment to UCLA or his heart.

The bottom line is that despite his good points: he has cleaned up the program, shown high integrity and his teams usually, not always, play their best against the toughest teams, his overall winning record is one of mediocrity.  In other words, there are three primary reasons to fire KD.  His record.  His record.  His record.  

With the exception of the 10-2 season [with it's 2 crushing losses and 3-4 miracle wins based on throwing out the game plan in desperation], he is a .500 coach over a five year span.  That's just not good enough, or should not be good enough at UCLA, unless one believes that is the best one can expect here by any coach, a premise I find baseless.

We can argue about the reasons for this average record.  And that may help in identifying what qualities we seek in the next coach, but the reasons are secondary to the performance on the field by the team, its wins and its losses.

I think the reasons boil down to one.  KD has been inflexible.  He has committed himself to the WCO all five years under all circumstances even when his numerous coaches and players have not been able to implement it.  Nor has he shown flexibility in identifying players or at least experimenting with them in even trying times.  

Instead of making his system fit the players, he has tried to make the players fit his system.  Bottom line:  the players can't play, they can't just be athletes when the system is too complicated or requires too much finesse.

Is there really any question that the Bruins need a simplified offense that let's the players play?  I don't think so.  Is there any question that Ben Olson is a misfit in the WCO?  Is there any question that at some point in their careers Matthew Slater should have been given a chance as a running back or Osaar Rashan given a chance at QB?

These are but the tips of the iceberg that make the KD's lack of flexibility or imagination or experimentation, so mystifying and frustrating.  

This is Terry Donahue football at its best/worst.  I suffered for 20 years with that man who, again, despite being True Blue, got less out of his soon-to-be NFL players than any UCLA coach in history.  

Think about it.  How many of the current UCLA players are going on the NFL?  Not nearly as many as Terry had.  And no, the lesser talent is not a justification for keeping KD; that's on him, too.  And the talent has been more than enough to beat the vast majority of our competition.

We've suffered 5 years with TD's replica.  He comes frustratingly close to winning games he shouldn't [ASU with an inexplicably inexperienced OR at QB and a walk-on RB] and loses horribly to inferior competition.  My head and my heart can't take it any more.  Believe me.

Yes, fire KD, for his record, for his record, for his record.  Period.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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i agree with you...
but also as stated in other diaries, KD is actually kinda shady.  he has for the most part ruined a few promising NFL futures for some of our players, ruined the careers of the coordinators he fired (text msg for jim svodba, cant spell), and in the end he's still going to be out for #1 himself.  everything that has gone wrong in the past 4 and half years has never been his fault.  he either blames his players or his coaches, which lead to there eventual firing.  i honestly feel like if he's a true bruin and wants what's best for the school, he'll walk away now, and not take anymore from the university.  he owes it to us now for giving him a shot to be our coach, to know when his time is up and to walk away and leave the 2 million (or whatever the amount he is owed) on the table.  so KD get the "F" out

by redsand514 on Nov 11, 2007 10:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

KD's 'commitment' to UCLA?
Yeah he was so committed to UCLA that he always had his eyes on an NFL gig. We have written about this before. KD is not some loyal Bruin. He is just some guy who is out there only for himself. And if he had any dignity left he negotiate a buy out at a reduced amount and leave tomorrow.

But he won't because he is a selfish sob. Screw him.

by Nestor on Nov 11, 2007 10:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Most Charitable Take on KD
is also the Most Accurate.

He simply did not have sufficient experience and knowledge -- when he took the job -- to be an HC.

It is less charitable to say he was "inflexible".

I truly believe that he simply didn't know any other way to approach the game.

And, he didn't grow.

He made poor choices in assistants and coordinators.

None of this is a character flaw.

He should never have been hired.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Nov 11, 2007 11:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well said
my sentiments exactly. He never should have been hired, and when he was, he never developed, never got better, never grew.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Nov 11, 2007 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He ain't squeaky clean
Eric Scott happened on CTS's watch.

The text message to the fired coach.

The constant scapegoating of assistant coaches.

What appears to be cronyism rather than an actual effort to improve the team with the hiring of Norvell whose ONLY claim to fame is that he is an advocate of the WCO.

Failing to have the integrity to ever admit that "coaching hard" does not equal "coaching well."

I disagree, uclahy.  Surely his record alone justifies his immediate dismissal, but there are all these other issues that also call for the same action.  And of course we only know about the "non-record" that have made it to the press.

All of that calls for his immediate dismissal.

by Fox 71 on Nov 11, 2007 11:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

If KD was winning 10 games a year
would you fire him for the things you are criticizing him for? I wouldn't.  It really is all about the record. That's all it has to be about.

The personal attacks are just unnecessary (and this isn't directed to you Fox) and now seeing that move from KD to the players in the last few weeks just makes me sick.

We have good kids. BD is a good kid. BB is a good kid and I hate seeing this hyper negativity now being directed at them.

The record is the only reason we are firing Dorrell. And the record is much worse than it should be with the type of talent he has. That's the story.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Nov 11, 2007 10:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Davis brought it upon himself
and if you feel sorry for BB, you should feel more sorry for MEADOWS who is a freaking WALK-ON and is getting thrown under the bus by his own teammate. I don't care where you come from, that's not right.

by Tydides on Nov 11, 2007 10:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's fine, but
A lot of people are saying Dorrell's great character is a reason why he should stay.  Even if it was a decent reason to keep him, it's not true.  That's the reason for "personal attacks."

by SuperBruinMan on Nov 11, 2007 11:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you
its not a reason to keep him. If he were the best person in the world, but couldn't win football games, he shouldn't be a football coach and he should be terminated.

As long as a coach is not breaking NCAA rules or have out of control players, you judge him on his record. And KDs record stinks and he deserves to be fired. Period.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Nov 12, 2007 8:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are whining again
Just like you were whining when we were criticizing Dorrell during the offseason (and you were running off to BRO as "tradegreen" and whining about BN).

by Nestor on Nov 12, 2007 4:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Doofus's Integrity
If he had integrity, he'd return his salary for this year, not take any "buyout" money, resign and publicly apologize for what he's done to the UCLA football program, the careers of his players, and the reputation of UCLA.  

What will he do?  He'll point fingers, make excuses (injuries, anyone), spout nonsense, and milk the situation for every penny he can.  Where's the "integrity" in that?

by Tommy Bruin on Nov 11, 2007 3:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree, Dorrell's biggest coaching errors have
been his inflexibility or stubborness to dump the WCO after five years of futility in favor of an offense that would utilize his players skills, and his inflexibility to give talented players such as Moline, Ossar and Austin more playing time at their respective positions.  

On the other hand maybe he doesn't know how to run any other offense other than his horrible misrepresentation of the WCO.  I don't think his repeatedly trying to jam a square peg into a round hole version of the WCO offense is the problem as much as the fact that he's the one running it because I don't see any Bill Walsh San Francisco 49er's here.  WCO isn't right for college but if KD ran the spread offense I don't think we'd see anything remotely resembling Oregon.  

If Dorrell did change his ways and was more flexible thus having a better record I probably wouldn't really care about the Eric Scott thing and minor stuff like that.  However, being that a clean program is the only thing Dorrell's had to hang his hat on Eric Scott bothers me since he directly hired him and knew of his past.  Toledo never directly handed out the handicapped placards so in my opinion Dorrell is dirtier than Toledo.  Also, Dorrell sure made sure MVP Medlock was back soon after his DUI and reportedly run from the scene.  And Dorrell repeatedly does throw players under the bus, tells Simers that because of his race he'll never be given a fair shot, tells Fox Sports that he's underpaid, has ruined Ben Olson's career, had Matt Moore overhear he was being demoted through the headset during a game, and seems to love Terry Donahue's mantra that only the Pac-10 matters.  Nevermind, fuck Dorrell, all the character assasinations in the world won't do enough justice to equal the character assasination he has done to the UCLA name and the 2 million dollars he gets to not ruin the program any more than he already has.  Hey, he's going to get 2 million for not coaching, so things aren't really going to change.  Overall you are right on with the inflexibility thing but when Dorrell stops throwing players under the bus and says what he knows in regards to Eric Scott, or when he has the integrity to resign, then I'll think the character assasinations are wrong.

by Dorrellian on Nov 11, 2007 6:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

One minor, minor disagreement
I agree with 100% of Dorrellian's post, except for the characterization of criticism as being character assassinations.  I don't think that telling the truth qualifies as a character assassination.

by Fox 71 on Nov 11, 2007 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In Fairness to Justin Medlock
IIRC he did not run away from the scene -- he went for help.

I don't think he was charged with or convicted of leaving the scene of the accident. I Googled and do not find support for that assertion.

Medlock was not "back soon after his DUI"; Justin did not play in the bowl game, that year, leaving KD and the team without a proven kicker, and sadly, its biggest scoring threat.  He was reinstated in the fall after dealing with his legal situation.

That portion of your post is not accurate and needlessly unfair to Medlock.

There is enough bad about KD's coaching that one need not go there.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Nov 11, 2007 8:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Medlock case
was one instance that showed why it's always useful to have the facts rather than making snap decisions. I think all of us were disappointed that he was in that situation in the first place, but some resorted to snap decisions (a lot of trOJans actually) about his character due to his absence from the scene. Those people will never admit that they were wrong when the police record shows that he was doing the right thing and trying to get help. KD handled that situation correctly.

by Tydides on Nov 11, 2007 9:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

KD
gets no love, and I am happy to see him fired. If i don't produce at work, I get fired, plain and simple. the fact of the matter is, I wouldn't get 5 years to "learn on the job," you sound like a whiny KD supporter to me. He gets what he deserves for robbing the citizens of the state of CA for more several millions of dollars; his incompetency is astounding and his firing should be a holiday in westwood!
big dog

by Sc is full of scumbags on Nov 11, 2007 11:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate all of your comments, really, but if
I were a "whiny" KD supporter, I wouldn't have complained bitterly about him after last year's Notre Dame nightmare and even before then.  Nor would I have told my friends he should have been fired after the Utah debacle or posted he should be fired now.

I agree with some of the points made here.  I just see no need to be as "classless" as some of you claim KD is.  There's just no need to focus on anything but the big picture:  his record, his record, his record.  Everything else is just window-dressing.

I have a neighbor who was a great UCLA player with KD who only says great things about him as a person and a hard worker, etc.  But even he said long ago that KD must go because of his poor performance/record.

Does that make him or me "weak" on KD.  I don't think so.

by uclahy on Nov 12, 2007 12:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well your neighbor is spinning
And not taking into account what has actually happened with our program in last 4+ years that make KD look like a selfish SOB.

And where have you been all these years? We have written posts after posts building the case against KD based on his record. That doesn't preclude us from pointing out he is not all that good person either.

by Nestor on Nov 12, 2007 4:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DUH-rell
We all know he's a hard worker, he coaches hard, he works hard, he attacks the information, he disciplines his resources, he irons his shirts and pants (or somebody does), he remembers birthdays.  He actually works and coaches harder every week, or at least says he does.  SO WHAT?  

He's incompetent, he's a doofus, he should be fired, he should have been fired.  He's not a great guy.  Just because he dresses neatly doesn't make him a class act.  If I somehow talk my way onto a job I can't do, totally screw it up but keep on accepting a huge salary, blame everybody else for my screwups  ... who am I?  DUH-rell, or George Costanza!  DUH-rell has as much integrity and class as Costanza.

by Tommy Bruin on Nov 12, 2007 9:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey wait a minute
I love George Costanza...I can't say the same about Duh-REll!!!!

by abby8065 on Nov 12, 2007 10:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

You wouldn't love George Costanza
if he was YOUR latex salesman.  That's all I have to say.

Art Vandelay

by Fox 71 on Nov 12, 2007 7:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not all about the record
(although that enough is cause for dismissal)

I think it worthy to point out how Dorrell and his players have poorly represented the university and the program:
  1. The scapegoating.
  2. Mindless quotes in the media, week after week after week, about "coaching harder" and "learning how to practice well", and don't forget the dismissive statements like "I sleep well at night".
  3. The Scott debacle.

All fair game and noteworthy of a program that lacks leadership, class and integrity: this cannot be discounted.

Not all about the record: you yourself point out how he "loses horribly to inferior competition". Losing to the 2007 Notre Dame version is not the same as losing to the 1967, 77, 87 or 97 version, is it? Losing 6-44 to a depleted midmajor Utah team isn't the same as getting blown out at LSU or Florida. And 1-3 at lower tier bowl games isn't the same as 1-3 in Rose Bowls. It's who he's losing to and how he's losing them.

And I am willing to concede that 7-5 at Ucla is not the same as 7-5 at SUC, which is not the same as 7-5 at Stanford. It's not all about the record.

And here's some other little tidbits that I think are worth mentioning:

Recruiting during Dorrell's tenure has been mediocre by UCLA standards. Injuries have unmasked our glaring lack of depth at skilled positions. We can count on one hand how many legitimate 5 star caliber players he's recruited during his 5 years. You can't discount these facts either.

Lack of player development.

Poor game management.

Boring, unimaginative, conservative play-calling.

Yes, the sum of all the problems together is what provides glaring evidence that Dorrell is not coaching to the standards of UCLA and needs to be fired. Each fact can be fairly and objectively analyzed individually to support this viewpoint. Wins and losses don't always tell the whole story.

"If I don't do my job, I will get fired" -Karl Dorrell

by godblesstyus95 on Nov 12, 2007 10:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Didn't he get one 5-star recruit?
Wasn't Ben Olson a 5 star recruit?  And we see what a great job CTS has done with him.

by Fox 71 on Nov 12, 2007 7:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Price was also 5 stars
Terrence Austin and Kai Forbath are the only other High School All-Americans I can think of.

by SuperBruinMan on Nov 12, 2007 10:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah - I forgot about Price
But then, so did CTS (or at least he forgot Price's eligibility issues.)  So CTS is two for two.  Recruit them, then screw them up.  Great job.

by Fox 71 on Nov 13, 2007 5:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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