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Where Are We Now?

Bruin Blue serves up another great post. However please note though we are all anxious about how Dan Guerrero’s search process will turn out, we are not going to reach any conclusion on his performance until we see his pick. Moreover, also note despite BB’s reservations we happen to think Mike Leach is an intriguing candidate for UCLA. However, that said great stuff again from BB. And as usual we agree with most of his thoughts. Despite our honest disagreement our heart collectively is with BB, which is hoping for a new head coach who will represent a clear change from the past and an exciting move towards a new direction in UCLA football. GO BRUINS. – N

Where are we now? Nobody really knows, apparently except for Dan Guerrero. I suppose we should have expected this obscurity and uncertainty. There are two reasons for it, one legitimate and one not . The legitimate one is that with so many potential prospects involved in Bowl games, a certain amount of below-the-radar activity is probably necessary. The other reason is that Guerrero and UCLA want "plausible deniability," so that when this is all said and done, it can be said that whomever was hired was really the guy we wanted all along. UCLA has a preternatural aversion to being turned down by a coaching prospect. I don't know why; plenty of other schools are, and come out just fine; look across town for the most obvious examples. The other programs doing coaching searches along with us are not nearly so opaque about it. Michigan wanted Miles, got turned down, and then tried for Schiano . They have to regroup, but will come out okay. Arkansas made a firm offer to Grobe which he rejected, so it's on to Plan B. But in Westwood, we really have no clear idea as to who the favorite is, who is second on the list, or much of anything.

But I think there are some things we can deduce, for better or for worse. It is clear to me that Guerrero is wedded to the idea of keeping the ubiquitous DeWayne Walker on as defensive coordinator, and probably making his retention a requisite for the new coach. A very bad way to do it, in my view, since I think that a new coach should be given free rein with assistants. I'm not even sure that this approach might not cost us a potential coach who doesn't like to be dictated to in that way and wants to bring in his own staff. Nevertheless, it is pretty obvious that Guerrero is happy with the defensive side of the ball, and is looking for an offensive-minded coach to complement it. Every single coach we hear mentioned comes from the offensive side. In Guerrero's formula, offensively capable coach+Walker=successful program. I'm not nearly so sure about that, but that is what we are very likely to get.

At this point, I'm afraid I am getting ready to be disappointed again. It's somewhat my fault; I probably am too expectant and demanding. Against my better judgment, I really hoped that we would come up with a knockout hire, someone who could catapult us to national championship contending levels. That has long been a dream of mine, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had it. But there is apparently too much for us to overcome, including UCLA's infuriating unwillingness to spend market price--never mind top dollar--for the right coach; an athletic administration which does not show the acumen or the will to make the true homerun hire; an alumni and fan base of which too many really don't follow college football outside of the Pac 10 very closely, and thus do not have the ability to assess and weigh the potentials and the liabilities of the various coaching possibilities.

And, no; this does not mean that I expect everyone to share my specific perspectives, or that I will be unhappy unless UCLA chooses exactly whom I want. But it does mean that I am not willing to settle for just a coach who is better than Dorrell, or one who will get us to the top part of the conference. Almost any reasonable coach can do that. But to be able to legitimately compete with what, like it or not, is a powerhouse program at USC; to have at least some reasonable shot at a national title in many of the years; to be an actual player on the national stage--this is much harder to obtain. I remember '72 and '73, when Pepper Rodgers had some great offensive teams which ran all over weak foes, but which were outclassed and out coached when we played USC. That is very much where I am afraid we are going to end up. Maybe there's not much we can do about it. There are only so many Meyers and Tressels and Richts and Bob Stoops, and we are not getting any of those. We can and probably will get a good coach, but there are a lot more of them, even in this very league. So while the future seems brighter, I very much wonder if it will be as bright as we would want it to be.

We all know that there is not a Ben Howland-type hire for us in this group. I wanted Chris Petersen because while realizing the shortness of his record, I thought that of all the prospects, he had the most potential to turn into the next Meyer or Richt. But apparently either he or his wife or both do not want to live in Los Angeles. I do wonder what would happen if we actually offered him $2 million or so, but we are apparently not going to do that. I was naive enough to think that we were really going to increase our offers this time. Apparently we are, but only as compared to 2002. We are still about 30%-40% below market value, it seems. After Petersen, I thought that Steve Mariucci might be someone who could recruit so well here, that combined with his obvious ability to coach quarterbacks and develop an offense, he might really put a serious scare into Carroll. Apparently we either offered too little, or he is not that interested in coaching college ball, depending upon what story you hear. Bronco Mendenhall was another coach who I think has excellent potential, but we are not even looking at him. Paul Johnson is a proven rebuilder of programs, but we didn't look at him, either; and he's gone to Georgia Tech.

So now it seems as if we are down to our seond-tier candidates. Mike Leach, June Jones, most likely. Of the two, I'd prefer Jones, who I think is a better guy, and who has actually done more. It is essential that we have someone who has won a conference championship, done something really significant. Even so, I have a hard time extrapolating his Hawaii results into an ability to beat USC more than occasionally. As to Leach, he has never won a conference title, never really come close--not as close as Kansas and Missouri did this year. Yes, his talent level is less than Oklahoma and Texas--but guess what? His talent level here is going to be less than USC's, so how does one somehow imagine he will beat them to win a title? Anyway, that is just my view, and I know that others are very high on one or the other. And neither would be a bad coach here; it's just that I really wonder about the upper limit of their tenure. There's Jim Grobe, who actually got Wake Forest to a BCS game, no small feat. But he said he was coming back to Wake, so I would be very surprised if we got him. And then there's Brian Kelly, who had two mediocre years and one good one at Central Michigan, and parlayed that into the job at Cincinnati. MIchigan apparently has no interest in him, which is rather interesting, given his locale. I'd take Jones over him and Leach.

Other than that, what have we got? Jim Fassel has apparently put out feelers. I sort of like Fassel, who I think did a pretty good job in the cauldron which is New York; but I know that many see him as a weak choice. George O'Leary is a good coach, but we are never going to hire him after his resume scandal. Mike Price is a possibility, but age and reputation are factors. Todd Graham of Tulsa, formerly Rice for one year, is somewhat interesting. Then we have the third-tier candidates such as Chow and the omnipresent DeWayne Walker. Walker means Walker, and Chow means four years and then Walker, so both possibilities seem awful to me. Of course there are all those Bruin fans beating the drums incessantly for the Chow-Walker combo or the Walker solo act. It's as if the last five, actually twelve, actually 32, years did not take place. By all means, let's hire another assistant or set of assistants, and away we go. There is actually some fellow on BRO who strongly urges a Donahue for "temporary" (two years) head coach, Neuheisel for OC, and Walker for DC, arrangement. I've seen Dali paintings which were less surreal than that idea; but it shows you the mindset of many Bruin fans.

I do believe that Guerrero wants to hire a coach with experience, and is more than likely to do so. But for me at least, that is not good enough. Simply being better than Dorrell, or even than Dorrell and Toledo. is just not sufficient. Guerrero talks optimistically enough about being a national contender, "however you want to interpret that." But I am not at all sure that he knows enough about college football to realize that this doesn't just happen by wanting it to, or by relying on UCLA's potential talent advantages over some other schools in our conference. If only there were three or four great head coach prospects out there, so that we would have a decent chance of falling into one of them. At this point, I would be stunned and exultant if we somehow landed Petersen; quite satisfied if we got Mendenhall or Mariucci; pleasantly surprised if it were Grobe; not overjoyed but at least reasonably hopeful if it turned out to be Jones. Other than that, I will not be very happy. Thus, rightly or wrongly, for better or for worse, I now once again find myself in the position of just hoping that we can get out of this football search alive.

Postscript: If I were forced to bet on who the next coach will be, and I were given three guesses at it, I'd say--despite all the misdirection--Jones, Mariucci or Leach. If only two guesses, I'd say Mariucci or Leach. If just one guess, Leach (unfortunately for me). I'll get to see how accurate I am within a pretty short time.

- Bruin Blue

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Leach
would be a good hire for UCLA. Les Miles never sniffed a BIG 12 conference title either, but look at what he has accomplished at LSU.

You forget the way the BIG 12 title works. There are two divisions, north and south, with Texas and OU both in the south with Tech. That is a difficult road to hoe. If Tech was in the north I'm sure Tech would be in the conference title mix.

Some programs just have a ceiling to them, because of certain limitations. Leach has hit the roof.

The Bruins would get an offense with joystick numbers and blue-chip recruits every single season. They could play USC every season knowing they will put a scare in the Trojans, regardless of winning or losing.

by eyesofbevo on Dec 10, 2007 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

Good Points Bevo
As a Californian living in Exile in Houston, I am a strong Leach backer. You are so right about the Big 12.

Thanks for making that clear.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 10, 2007 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

66
Do they ever let you out of the exile cage in Houston? I have been to Houston, and do prefer So Cal but that is just my personal taste.
Bill
BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on Dec 10, 2007 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed
Leach's offense would bring an excitement to Westwood that would build momentum and bring the recruits. A good offense is the best Defense, so combine his system with a Ken Norton Jr. who would be able to coach defense and recruit top notch defensive talent and you have a recipe for success.

Maybe I'm drinking the kook aid, but now that Johnson is gone, I think Leach is our best bet for turn around in the program.

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Dec 10, 2007 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

"Kook" aid?
Given some of the criticisms levied against Leach, by both regular joes and sportswriters of varying degrees of credibility and acclaim,w as this intentional?  :lol:

M

"Because I'm tired of it. Year after year after year after year having to choose between the lesser of 'Who cares?'"

by Meriones on Dec 10, 2007 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Good Job Though I Disagree in Part
Only a desperate coach would accept a position in which he is told that he must take DW as his DC.

It's not just the problem that DW is not a great DC, but  MORE iimportantly, he appears to want the HC job so much that a new coach would be a fool to turn his back on him.

And, why would DW stay? If he is so clearly HC material, why would he remain at UCLA, as a DC unless he thought he could undercut the new HC and have his job, some day.

Not a pretty picture and I don't think DG is so dumb as to miss the potential for politics and conflict in the new coaching regime.

I would be thrilled with Leach -- he is my first choice amongst all who appear to be in the race. I love the video that Nestor put up of TT playing Cal. Although we al know how shifty Nestor is -- he probably pulled out the only 3 plays where TT played D, they sure tackled well and got after it on those plays.

And, I totally understand your line of thought that there is no reason this search has to be performed in secret -- with only the insiders like Dohn knowing what is going on (gag -- Yeah, I believe Dohn and his sources).

We can either trust DG or not. Right now, there is no alternative to trusting him.

He has a lot riding on this choice: it will be his signature hire. (No I am not denigrating the BH hire -- he is an incredible coach and I am sure some day, when he retires he will be revered -- but he wanted to come here and did not have to be recruited. DG has to make the football position happen -- it won't come to him.) If he makes a great hire, he will be a hero. If he doesn't, and the program flounders, the next search will be to replace him.

He is no fool. He knows that.

So, I'm sure he's trying to bring us a great coach both to return us to greatness and to protect his reputation and job.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 10, 2007 9:02 AM PST reply actions  

On the Money
This is exactly how I feel. My horse in the race was Johnson and when he signed I suddenly felt powerless, that DG was going to let this whole process slip out of control until such a point as then DyNoMite would get the gig...BLAH...PHUT!

The thing which holds it all together for me at this point is the knowledge that DG is not a stupid guy. He knows that this hire is how he is being measured now...and he's got to make it count. I trust him when he implied that the money would be there for the right coach...it's hacks like Dohn and others in the MSM, in order to build their story selling the DeWayne, who are pushing the UCLA "wont pay market price" angle. It helps justify their pick.

I'm not sold on Mariucci. I first felt that he was getting the suggestion by the camp of thinker's who are convinced that to compete with cheaty pete that you need another NFL retread. Not so sure about that. I think it would be wonderful to put up 70 points on the trOJans just like Leach put up on Nebraska one year.

June Jones is an intersting idea. There was an article a week or so back in the Honolulu paper about the football program and how small the budget is and that the facilities are poor. Clearly from a football perspective UCLA would be a big step up from U of H. One drawback to Jones is his habit of specifically recruiting troubled kids...not sure how that would go over with the three influential alums who seem to be having a lot of lunches with strangers lately.

Anyway, Bruin Blue is really on it as far as how I am feeling at this point. And, if we are pre-conditioning the job so that the new coach has to keep DyNoMite on staff...one word to you DG...MISTAKE.

by CalPolyBruin on Dec 10, 2007 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

Jones and Troubled Kids
I think he's forced to do that to be able to stay competitive at Hawaii. He's at a non-BCS school and you say the facilities are bad, that's some tough stuff to get over even if it's as wonderful a place as Hawaii.

by Raisin on Dec 10, 2007 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that is a cop out.
other coaches (Johnson, Petersen) have done admirable jobs with lesser talent and not had to resort to recruiting thugs to do it.

I want to beat USC every year, but I don't want to become USC to do it.

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Dec 10, 2007 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Not really
Johnson has indeed done an admirable job, but his hands are tied with regards to the kind of kids that can go to the Naval Academy!

And Petersen is not exactly at some random school, Boise State has been in the national spotlight for a few years now so he is able to recruit some (though not a lot of) talent.

The question should not be that Jones recruits troubled kids, the question should be what he does with them. And as far as I know, none of those troubled kids got into any kind of trouble while playing for Jones (please correct me if I'm wrong). That is a sign for a man who can instill discipline, unlike Dorrell who recruits good kids who by nature don't get into trouble and then proclaims that he's cleaned up the program.

by tasser10 on Dec 10, 2007 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly
Talk about "recruiting thugs" is just FUD. It doesn't matter where they come from, they keep their hands clean in Jones' program. He gave a few players a second chance and they're making the most of it. That is actually a credit to Jones. WE have had more high profile off-the-field incidents than UH has, and that's with Mr. Clean running our program.

by Tydides on Dec 10, 2007 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Jones
Johnson is a whole different cup of tea given the Navy circumstances.

Two things in response. As others have already said, Jones has done a good job of making sure these kids stay out of trouble during their time in Hawaii. The other thing is that he wouldn't have to take as many risks at UCLA as he would at Hawaii.

That isn't to say I'm in Jones' corner.

by Raisin on Dec 10, 2007 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Perfect Plausible denial
Read the story carefully before you share links on BN. The report you link says:
University of Hawai'i football coach June Jones branded as "an absolute lie" a report in the Los Angeles Daily News that he has let UCLA know he is interested in the Bruins' vacant head coaching position.
That gives him a lot of waggle room. It is a classic nondenial denial. JJ leaves room for the fact that UCLA has been contacted through his intermediary or that UCLA has contacted him. So this story means nothing.

by bluestreet on Dec 10, 2007 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I dont see anything inconsistant here.
It appears from the language that what he brands as an absolute lie is the statement that he has let UCLA know that he is interested (sic)

This doesn't deny that we're interested in him, that he's on our list or that we've contacted him. It doesnt even deny that he's talked to us. It's all very parsed.

I take it to mean what it says, that basically he didnt contact us. I wouldn't have expected him too.

by CalPolyBruin on Dec 10, 2007 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Who Reported it in the Daily News?
Dohn?

We all know what he says is word.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 10, 2007 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

On Leach...
I think the comparison of his lack of success against UT and OU to his future lack of success against USC is misplaced.

Yes, he has trouble recruiting against UT and OU, and probably A&M, too. But there is less talent out there to recruit, and more schools to recruit against.

Recruiting in CA will be a completely different animal. Even if USC still gets first choice of the players, there is an opening for the #2 slot, which seems to be currently occupied by the likes of Bellotti, Tedford, etc.

2nd choice in Los Angeles is going to take you a lot further than 5th choice in Texas. In my opinion.

by Quickhands on Dec 10, 2007 10:00 AM PST reply actions  

If you accept the postulate that
...we're always going to get 2nd choice to SUC then Leach becomes a very viable candidate. He's basically been 3rd choice in the Big 12 South and manages to scare the living daylights out of those schools every year.

Additionally, he would have to maximize a very young Bruin team next year as HC and clearly he can get a lot done with a little. His record speaks volumes about how to be competitive under tough circumstances.

If we can get him then we need to take the shot at it, in IMO that is...

by CalPolyBruin on Dec 10, 2007 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Nestor - a horrible Freudian slip or typo
You said "...  a new head coach who will represent a clear change from the pass ...."  We had a coach who went away from the pass for five years.  Make it either "past" or "to the pass."  

My eyeballs fell out, almost.

My first choice is Leach.  Remember when Homer Smith's offense could always be counted on for something exciting once or twice a game?  I think an offense run by Leach would be at least that exciting.  Rye thinks that running a spread offense would weaken the defense, but I don't agree with that.  There are others who think that Leach is too outspoken to fit in here.  After five years of a guy who said nothing in new and unusual ways, having someone who actually spoke English would be a refreshing change.

And I haven't even had lunch with three wealthy and influential alumni.

by Fox 71 on Dec 10, 2007 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

I Would Love to Have Lunch with Leach
And, DG, I'm willing to sell him on UCLA.

I used to sell pots and pans and lighbulbs door-to-door.

I think I can package and sell UCLA to Leach.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 10, 2007 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I sold magazines door-to-door
I was not a credit to Professor Harold Hill.

by Fox 71 on Dec 10, 2007 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with Blue
I'd take Jones over Leach.  I'm just not sold on Leach. I like Mariucci but he's not my first choice.  I like Brian Kelly more than Blue does though.  

by Dorrellian on Dec 10, 2007 10:42 AM PST reply actions  

Negative slant
Bruin Blue, I am normally in agreement on your posts, but this time I see a little too much negativity.

I understand some of your conclusions are based on the past history of UCLA athletic hires but Dalis is not here to take the easy and cheapest way out regardless of the impact to the program.
Bob Field is not running the search to locate mediocrity and recommend it & Carnesale is gone.

Attempting to hire early doesn't guarantee that you get who you want. Mich & Ark were not successful in their quests so far although a couple of schools did get lucky (Johnson & Nutt) with their choices.

All we are doing is flinging around conjecture on who we will want hired. It's fun to write and read about the interesting things that are brought up on the potential (we think) of the candidates that might get hired.

It's only been one week since CTS was let go.

Until DG screws the pooch on something, he has my full support. I have enough confidence in DG to let him go through the process. This will be one of his signature hires and I don't think he will "settle" for just anyone to quickly get it over with.

PS; Has DG specifically said DW must be part of the new HC staff??

Just an old Geezers take.

 

by artybruin on Dec 10, 2007 10:51 AM PST reply actions  

Rumors
Lot of rumors are swirling right now is that DG is trying to hire a HC who Walker will be comfortable under. I am not liking what I am hearing at all. I think BB's concern about DG is well placed right now.

by bluestreet on Dec 10, 2007 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Rumors
Are these rumors swirling anywhere other than the blogosphere and Doh!.  Sometimes rumors get a life just through their repetition.

I would end all these wheels within wheels rumors involving DW.  I think if I were DG I would say, "DW, do as well as you can in the Bellagio Bowl, because we're releasing you after the Las Vegas game."  That might actually help the coaching search, because it would let the new guy know that there is no Cassius, complete with the lean and hungry look, looming in the background.

by Fox 71 on Dec 10, 2007 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

These are nervous times, but
I can't believe DG would give DW a veto over the HC choice. What executive would create such a relationship between the man supposedly in charge and a subordinate? I believe that DG can think, that he is intelligent, and that he knows what is possible in the real world. And what head coach would just supinely accept someone else's choice for his assistants? That is just crazy. I understand that Walker has support, but I do not believe that he is actually in such an exalted position as Dohn would have us believe. His actual record as DC needs to be brought forth, as as been done here on BN. Fairly evaluated, he is a good coach but no genius. Just ask Washington State how much they feared his schemes!
   As for the actual choice of HC, both Jones and Leach are viable in my mind.

by Oldguy on Dec 10, 2007 4:48 PM PST reply actions  

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