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ANYONE PLAYED FOOTBALL?

I am getting really worn out by the people who know nothing about football posting on here.  Walker has only been a DC for two years and has no business being a head coach yet.  That said, he did a generally good job tonight.  The idiots who are out criticizing him for taking the extra point at the end of the first half obviously never played or coached football and have no idea what they are talking about.  Let's go over some basic math...

5+3=8

4+3=7

Unless you firmly believe there is ZERO chance that in an entire half of football you will give up so much as a field goal, YOU TAKE THE POINT!  Especially a team that struggles to move the ball!!  If you miss the 2 point conversion and give up a field goal u now have to score a touchdown and the 2 point conversion to tie.  DOES ANYONE ON HERE THINK THIS TEAM COULD MANAGE THAT?  So here's what you do... you take the extra point.  You hope your defense can hold them to no more than a field goal or if they score 10 points ur still down by 2 scores (10+4=14).  YOU NEVER WAGER YOUR ENTIRE GAME ON A 2 POINT CONVERSION IN THE FIRST HALF!!!

I know people don't like walker, and that's fine.  I beg of you, though.  Please stop making fools of yourselves and stick to legitimate complaints... such as HE'S GOT ALMOST NO EXPERIENCE AT EVEN A HIGH LEVEL ASSISTANT POSITION!  Please stop making the rest of us who come on sites like this look like irrational, know-nothing lunatics.

Thank You,
Dustball

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Good post; good points
I agree that DG should stay as DC, with a raise to $1 million.  The team was prepared for the game, played with fire and great skill.  The missed chip shot is very painful indeed, but the D shut out a very potent offense for an entire half.  The offense did what it needed to win.  MBT played a smart game and made key passes (some of which were dropped, a la Notre Dame).  

So, quit bashing DG.  He put the players in the right position to win the game.   And he motivated them to play their best.  That is all that can be asked of a head coach.  

Now, that being said, RN is the next head coach, and will be so named this week, IMO.  DG will be retained, and a new era will begin in Westwood.  I cannot wait until early December, 2008, when pom pom and the rest of the Blowjans get their hats handed to them at the Rose Bowl.

by cmcbruin on Dec 23, 2007 5:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Is Dan Guerrero going to be DC
That is news.  And Walker sucks.

by Tommy Bruin on Dec 23, 2007 7:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

LA Times
I was just checking out the LA Times online edition (I live in Texas) and it seems as though several of the players used the post game press conference as a forum to promote DW as the new HC.  I wonder how influential this will be on DG, Block, etc??

by DallasBruin on Dec 23, 2007 8:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree
Not too many people would have gone for 2 at the end of the half.

by joeb on Dec 23, 2007 8:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is so original
You can't criticize because you have never played or coached football card.

Yeah like we didn't hear this during Dorrell/Lavin era.

Like I said nothing changed last night.

Oh stop SHOUTING dude.

by Nestor on Dec 23, 2007 10:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

criticize
all you want... but making an uneducated argument makes the case against guys like walker easy to disregard as irrational fan chatter.  I want our opinions on here to be heard and respected, but when people criticize good football decisions we all look like fools.  You certainly don't have to have played to know that was the right decision... you just have to be willing to accept that sometimes people you don't like do an ok job.
Dustball!

by dustball on Dec 23, 2007 12:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Walker
I generally agree with N but this time I have to go with Dustball.  There are some situations where going for 2 in the first half is called for, and this was not one of them.

However, saying that DW did an ok job is insulting to coaches who do ok jobs.  This team was slightly more prepared than most KD's teams normally are, but that still means they were not prepared to face a pretty good BYU squad.  The defense started with a plan of blitzing, throwing different formations and looks out, and always pressuring the BYU QB.  They combined this with strong D line play that shut down the BYU running game for most of the first half.

But then they started to look like a DW defense and they let up, or they got tired (both are reasons to fire a coach, not just pass him up).  They stopped changing looks and let up on Max Hall.  In the first quarter he never had 3 seconds on his feet, in the 4th, he stood in the pocket and made some big throws.  They adjusted and found holes to run through and just enough space to throw in.  Overall, the defense played well, but they still had spurts of brain dead play with no energy, this kills a team.

The offense drove me crazy.  With a new HC, they should have had a new philosophy, stop being predictable.  But the problem was, after 5 minutes, everybody in the stadium knew we were going to run.  This makes the defense's life easier but is not impossible to overcome.  Nebraska used to run every play and score 50 a game against teams like BYU.  WV still runs all the time and racks up points.  If you are going to run every play, you need to do it right, or you end up not having any sustained drives or meaningful touchdowns.

The best way to run every play and score is to be creative, something we get an F in every game.  Change formations, run creative plays, use misdirection, and force every man up to the line of scrimmage.  We did that for a total of 5 minutes last night, half of 2 separate drives that ended in field goals.  After that, we went back to our old offense, run in the same direction, from the same position, out of the same three formations.  Needless to say, our offense sucked.  Our only long drive was the last one of the game where we benefited from defensive mistakes and the knowledge that no first down meant no win.

Walker did not do an ok job.  He stunk.  His defense played with fire but did not adapt to changing offensive tactics.  They also had deer in the headlights moments and gave up big plays.  This entire painful year, nobody has repeatedly sustained drives against our defense, they were too talented and experienced to allow that.  But many teams played like Arizona and had several big plays that resulted in TD's or big yardage gains.

On offense we stunk it up with a complete lack of creativity or understanding of how to sustain a drive.  There was no promise in this offense, at no point did I say that we were stopped but if we continued to play like this we would have more touchdowns.  

This team made me want to throw up last night. Last year I thought that Walker had promise and would have been happy with him replacing KD.  Now that thought sickens me.  Walker is a good defensive coordinator.  His teams play with spirit and his game plans are usually pretty solid.  But the defense does not adapt to changing tactics and gives up big plays because of lack of focus and energy.  Someday he could fix this and become a great defensive coordinator.  Right now, just good.  He has no understanding of offense (but still somehow has more than KD) and it looked like successful drives were flukes rather than designed.

Sorry for this rant, I certainly did not mean to go on for so long.  Going for two would have been a bad idea, saving his timeouts did not turn out to be fatal (not going for a touchdown when he had a timeout left did), but Walker did not do an ok job.  Walker could not beat a team that played very poorly (they played better the first time we played them) and looked out of sync.  

I will say it again, calling Walker's job ok, is insulting to ok coaches.  An ok coach would have won this game by 14.

by Rhapsode on Dec 23, 2007 3:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen.
Thank you. It is RIDICULOUS that people are calling this play out as the reason we lost.

I have played football all my life and never once, at that point in the game, would we ever do it....ESPECIALLY with an offense like the Bruins have (unpredictable to say the least).

I just do not understand how this makes us Dorrell/Lavin sheep...

This is just football basics. Take the field goals, if situations present themselves when a 2-point is necessary, take it.

No one could have forseen BYU never scoring another TD after that point.

I sure didn't.

by dproduct on Dec 23, 2007 11:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Whether anyone played football is irrelevant
Is it your position that unless you have experience in a particular sport that you cannot give valid criticism of that sport?  That's clearly the implication.  I do not have a pilot's license, but I can tell when someone crashes an airplane.  I have defended doctors and dentists without having a medical or dental degree.

And more to the immediate point, I have never been critiqued blogs for a living, but I can sure tell that your basic premise is a bunch of grade A baloney.

That being said, I agree that Walker made a good decision to go for one point on the conversion at the end of the half.  I have never put on a shoulder pad in my life, but I still feel qualified to make that observation about Dy No Mite's alleged coaching skills.

by Fox 71 on Dec 23, 2007 1:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff Fox
We will just have to agree to disagree re the xtra pt. However, I did write clearly imho it was one of many mistakes, not necessarily the deciding one. But people are not seeing the nuanced point.

I think I have written enough in last 3 years to earn credibility. If people disagree w that specific take then that's fine. I wasn't looking for people's approval when I blasted a good portion of our fanbase as cheese eating surrender monkeys for celebrating a loss against Southern Cal.

Anyway, one last note. Offering a take on BN that doesn't agree w moderators is fine. However, we will not tolerate any insults towards any of the frontpagers. That wasn't for you Fox.

by Nestor on Dec 23, 2007 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

insult
was never the intention... I think that we are beginning to let our emotions get the better of our logic.  I could care less what the average joe thinks about this site.  I want Morgan Center to pay attention to the words we espouse on here.  When we make statements out of anger that make "football" people cringe, we lose credibility.  When we make demands and try to put pressure on Morgan Center, it is important that we are making valid arguments that play to the point we are trying to make.  Otherwise, they will write us off as irrelevant.  I know there are a few lawyers on here (i eventually hope to join them) and i think that point should be reasonably well received.
Dustball!

by dustball on Dec 23, 2007 6:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

NO but..
when Joe Public logs on to BN and sees a front page post proudly proclaiming that a "SMART" coach would have done what no coach anywhere in the sport would have -- it does threaten to make us look bad.  AND  -- when going against the grain (e.g. supporting certain aspects of the current regime) is known to draw so much fire -- it makes it even more important to make the distinction.

IMHO, I would respectfully submit that the decidely uniformed football analysis (the 2PC comment) should never have been re-posted, much less bumped verbatim to the front page.

That's when "football" people stand back and say -- "WHOA. WAIT. NO... not at all."

GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Dec 23, 2007 4:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As I have said before
We are not blogging here thinking what Joe Public would think of us. Three years ago when we started blogging we weren't all that smart going after KD. If you are so worried about what Joe Public would think of BN, then don't bother coming here.

by Nestor on Dec 23, 2007 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Not.
and you know it. Just saying...
GO BRUIN BLUE.

by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Dec 24, 2007 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry, but I can't help it.
When I looked at Dustball's strident "ANYONE PLAYED FOOTBALL" I couldn't help being reminded of Capt. Oveur asking, "Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?"

by Fox 71 on Dec 23, 2007 4:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

no coach would have gone for 2
in that situation, for two reasons:
  1. as has been said already, it's the first half. XPs are as close to a gimme as you get in football. You have to trust your offense to score in the second half--even one as bad as the Bruins trot out every game.
  2. Momentum. You just scored a fluke TD as time runs out in the half, getting you back in the game. If you go for two and don't make it, it gives back to BYU the momentum they had just fumbled away. Why risk it? You take the 1XP, and go into the half with ALL the mo.
No coach in that circumstance would have gone for 2, not Neuheisel, not anyone. That is not the time to risk a rally-killer.

I would hate to see UCLA hire DW as a head coach, but I would be willing to have him retained as DC. I think a HC with experience would help DW grow as a coach, and if UCLA hires a guy like Neuheisel (who, among the candidates we've been fed so far, I'd want as the HC) he'll be around long enough to see DW hired away after a few more years to be someone else's HC. I think DW has potential, and under a HC with experience, he may prove his worth. His worth, though, is NOT as our new HC.

by palafox on Dec 23, 2007 10:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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