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Some Thoughts On The Search...

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I know that there have been some people who haven't cared what USC thinks about our coaching search or who we hire or whatever, but I wanted to share this.

One of my closest friends played football at USC from 2000 to 2004. He played for Hackett, and then for Carroll/Chow. You don't have to worry about this being "Trojan spin" because he and I have been friends for about 15 years and I trust his opinion.

On Chow...He said to me, and I quote, "You are SO LUCKY that you didn't hire Chow. I played for him, and know him personally, and he would have been a disaster as a head coach." He said that all the so-called personality issues are very real and would greatly impact his ability to be a successful head coach. And by the way, my friend loves Chow, but is 100% convinced that he would have been a disaster of a head coach. And that on the recruiting trail, Carroll would have eaten him alive.

So I asked him....which coach being hired at UCLA would scare you most? And while USC is as scared of UCLA football as we are of USC basketball (read: not at all), he said Neuheisel, hands down. He believes that RN would be able to go head-to-head with Carroll for every single recruit in Southern California. Right now, if all things are equal with a recruit, Carroll has the advantage, being a superior salesman. He believes that RN would eliminate that disparity, and that USC and UCLA would have to legitimately fight it out for all the top-notch recruits.

Take that for what it is worth, but it's coming from a guy who knows his football and knows the Pac-10 and SoCal recruiting landscape.

And now on to my thoughts on RN....I am disgusted by the amount of vitriol that has been spewed about RN on various message boards. RN has been discussed and treated like some sort of sub-human being, unworthy of breathing the same oxygen as the rest of us. The guy has made mistakes. He was a very young head coach, he cut corners, and got busted for it. While there certainly were a lot of violations, they were minor in nature. He wasn't exactly out there strangling hookers to protect his players. The way some people have spoken about him has truly made me sick.

I think RN is a very good coach. And while no coach is a guarantee for success, I think RN is a pretty safe bet. It's a myth that he "destroyed" programs. At CU, they had disciplinary problems before him, and after him. Maybe there's just something in the Boulder water supply. At UW, everyone knows he got a raw deal, as he was so vindicated in court.

RN has won a Rose Bowl, both as a player and as a coach. He can coach, he can recruit and he wants the job badly. He's not the perfect candidate, but who is? What I can't stand is this holier-than-thou attitude of some UCLA fans, who sit atop their ivory tower and look down on RN as the scum of the earth. That's unfair, and undeserved. It's not a morality contest. We're hiring a football coach.

There has been much said about us being the laughing stock of college football with the "search" we are conducting. I disagree. UCLA football is so irrelevant that we cannot possibly be the laughing stock of college football because the college football world doesn't give a shit about UCLA football. And to be honest....that's a far sadder position to be in than to actually be the laughing stock.

I feel like I have rambled long enough, and I don't know if any of this will come out coherently. If we're not going to hire RN, then I say we just triple Ben Howland's salary, and let him coach football and basketball. Who is with me?

Go Bruins.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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I like your thought process
and I just have to say:

Kevin Love for QB!

by Tydides on Dec 27, 2007 6:54 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think the NCAA played fair
with Neuheisel.  He studied their rules and played by them, so they used a different interpretation to screw him over to make the kind of example out of him that they refuse to make about justsc paying its players, about bu$hgate, etc.

Let's put it this way.  From what I know, if things were in court and not in the anals (typo on purpose) of the NCAA, it would have been reversed in about 10 seconds flat.

And that remains true whether Neuheisel is hired or if he's passed over.  The NCAA screwed him, and Washington tried to screw him.  Washington lost their case against him.  No one pays $4.5 million on a case like that unless there is a major likelihood that you'll get hit for more after a trial.  $4.5 million is chump change only to George Steinbrenner.

by Fox 71 on Dec 27, 2007 7:15 PM PST reply actions  

I agree completely
I've written about this in two other threads and won't do so again.

RN got a very raw deal. He is not a bad person.

I still prefer Leach or Jones.

But, I will be pleased with RN and have no fear for the integrity of my university.

sjh

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 27, 2007 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Quick
You saved me a post. You articulated what I was meaning to write tonight.

RN is far from my top choice. But if it came own to him and Walker it wouldn't be a close call for me.

In fact the more I am reading about RN, the more excited I am getting about having Coach Neuheisel back home.

by Nestor on Dec 27, 2007 7:57 PM PST reply actions  

Breaking news - how NOT to hire a coach
I seem to remember a bunch of folks saying we should have worked the process like Michigan... well, good thing we haven't.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22413172/

by East Coast Bruin on Dec 27, 2007 7:58 PM PST reply actions  

Okay, how does a buyout work?
We fired Dorrell and UCLA needs to pay him $2M?  Rodriguez quits WV and he hast to pay them $4M?  I thought that with a buyout the cash always flowed to the coach. ???

by mark the bruin on Dec 27, 2007 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, answer below
(old guy still learning how to do this)

by East Coast Bruin on Dec 27, 2007 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Being fair to Karl Dorrell
When Karl Dorrell was hired, one of the jobs for him to do was to cure a perception that the Bruin football team was "out of control" under coach Toledo.

So "Sheriff Karl" came to town and did accomplish that mission. No problems like the "wheelchair parking scandal" and the team could be trusted to stay out of trouble.

During this time, it was hoped that he would also learn to be a successful coach and recruiter. It seems he did not do this, so he was fired this year.

He has a large buyout (I think 2 million dollars) so he is doing OK.

Hiring Rick Neuheisel then would be fair to Karl Dorrell. Dorrell was fired since he did not adequetely grow as a coach in the Pacific Ten. If the administration hires RN they are saying something like: "our needs have changed, we need a coach with successful coaching experience"

If the administration hires Walker, they are replacing Karl Dorrell with someone with like experience and abilities. If this was the goal of this exercise, then why not keep Karl Dorrell, after all, Walker does not seem to have any additional qualifications compared to Karl Dorrell.  In my opinion, hiring Walker would be a slap in the face to Karl Dorrell.

by hendersonbruin on Dec 27, 2007 8:23 PM PST reply actions  

Absolutely agree, and furthermore...
The more I see/hear about DW I almost think he was as much a cause of on-the-field ineptitude as Karl Dorrell.  Think about the personality clash between the two... and the only reason I can find why the AD hasn't/won't terminate DW is the recurring recruiting argument.  Here it is again from somewhere other than Dohn:

http://pennstate.scout.com/a.z?s=157&p=2&c=714678

Have I missed something about this incoming class?  It sure hasn't gotten any play here on the East Coast.

by East Coast Bruin on Dec 27, 2007 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Not an expert on this, but...
Two different buy-outs you reference.  When a coach under a multi-year contract get fired the buy-out money goes to the coach.  But there's a separate clause for cases where that same coach decides to go work somewhere else before getting fired; in such cases the dough goes to the employer, not the employee.

As I recall, one of the theories about why it took so long for Dorrell to be let go was the AD was hoping he'd get lured away - so instead of UCLA paying for him to leave early someone would pay UCLA for the favor.

by East Coast Bruin on Dec 27, 2007 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

The article you cited..
..made for very interesting reading. Thanks for the link. The whole affair appears rather sordid; I wonder about this assertion:
According to the lawsuit, the university fulfilled the contract's terms and Rodriguez never gave it written notice, as required by the contract, that it had not followed the agreement, the lawsuit said.

At every job I have ever left, I have written a short letter to my management informing them of my exit. It takes, what, five minutes?

Seems that either someone on Rodriguez's side was asleep at the switch or that is going to be a mighty expensive piece of paper.

by whp68 on Dec 28, 2007 6:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm still holding out for Mike Leach
But your friend's comments about Norm Chow's personality quirks are interesting to say the least.

His summary of both Chow's coaching ability and Neuheisel's charisma spell winning combination to me.

That's if we don't get Mike Leach.

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on Dec 27, 2007 8:30 PM PST reply actions  

The more I think about RN
I think I am starting to prefer him over Leach.

by Nestor on Dec 27, 2007 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

In my eyes,
Tbere was only one potentinal candidate that I liked better, and that was Paul Johnson. I say hire Rick already and let him open up a can of whoop ass on the recruiting trails.

by OutOThsWrld on Dec 27, 2007 8:51 PM PST reply actions  

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