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Looking At Neuheisel As A First-Tier Choice

A Bruin Alum (BruinBlue) Makes A Pitch For Another Bruin Alum (Coach Neuheisel). BB makes a fairly convincing argument for the return of our prodigal son. GO BRUINS. -N

Perhaps the tension of this coaching search is getting to me; but I tell you, the more I think about the relative merits of the various coaches, both those whom we thought about in the early stages, and those more currently viable, the more I am thinking that Rick Neuheisel is not only the best candidate available now, but one of the top two or three overall.  I guess it was that I never really thought of him as a candidate at the outset, since we didn't look at him five years ago; and I sort of went along with the conventional wisdom that he was being effectively blackballed by the NCAA.  But now that he is in the spotlight, I have thought a lot more about it, and also looked up some of his past records; and a very compelling case is made.

It's not that I get my ideas about coaches from stats and even scores.  Like many of you, I have watched a great deal of college football over the years; and I do pride myself on my ability to separate the really good coaches from the pretenders.  It's not an exact science, of course; and a lot of it is just the "feel" of how they handle playcalls; how they perform in big games, etc.  And of course some of it has to be the actual scoreboard results.  Anyway, I do well remember watching Neuheisel closely at the outset of his career; because, like many, I was very upset that Terry Donahue had apparently pushed him out as his heir apparent, in favor of making Bob Toledo the offensive coordinator.  Then he went to Colorado, and rather lucked into the head job there after only one year.  Well, the first two years, he did a commendable job.  Then he struggled in the next two.  I don't think he was really ready for the pressure of such a high-profile position. Then he left and went off to Washington, where he looked like a better coach to me.  6-2 in league in his first year, taking over for Lambright.  Then 7-1 in league, 11-1 overall, and a fine performance in the Rose Bowl win.  Actually, Washington wasn't far off from deserving a bid to the national title game. Then the next year,  he was 6-2 in league, 8-2 overall, going into the last game, where he went to Miami (he had beaten a fine Hurricane team the year before) and was humbled by an overpowering club which went undefeated and romped in the national title game.  Then he lost a bitter but thrilling Holiday Bowl game to Texas, to finish 8-4.  The next year was the down year at 7-6, and 4-4 in league.  But it appeared that he had the pieces in place for a fine team the next year, when he was unfairly fired. At least that's what I've read from some apparently knowledgeable posters who were up there then and appear to have no essential bias about it.  I believe that his last two recruiting classes were both in the Top 25, belying what some have said about him not being able to recruit.

Putting this all together, we see that Neuheisel has a record of 66-30 (.688).  This puts him higher than all sorts of coaches, just based on winning percentage.  His teams have finished in the Top Ten three times in his eight years.  He has played in three BCS games, winning them all.  He has a Pac-10 winning record of 23-9,.  He won all four Apple Cup games against rival Washington State.  Now, how many coaches which we have considered or are considering, have records to compare with that?  This is not to say that there aren't some fine coaches at other programs where the talent is lesser, who might be extrapolated to do as well; but the fact is that it's still extrapolation, not certainty.  I cannot believe that with the recruiting advantages inherent in UCLA, Neuheisel won't do better here than he did anywhere else.  I also believe that with some NFL experience to give him some more depth of knowledge; and with the last eight years having chastened him, he will really do a fine job at his alma mater, the school where he has always wanted to coach.  Legitimate concerns have been raised about the fact that he had his best years at both Colorado and Washington in the first two at each school; but that is awfully scant data to extrapolate from, since he only had four at each place; and he did go 6-2 in the conference in his third year at Washington. I cannot say with absolute certainty that Neuheisel will do better here than he has done, but I do sense that he would.  And that would be pretty darn good.

It's so ironic that I have argued for years about UCLA's propensity to hire the alumnus; to go with the guy that the insiders like.  And we have missed so often in that way--with Farmer, Hazzard, Dorrell, even Donahue, at least in my view.  And I have always demanded that we go outside the "Bruin Family" and get someone who will bring a whole new perspective.  But Neuheisel may actually be the one alumnus with the credentials and the acumen to break that losing streak.  And note that he has been away from UCLA for a long time; working at different schools, with different heritages.  So he is far from an insular candidate.  And I like that he is so smart.  Smart coaches usually do better than...not-so-smart ones.  Sometimes his cleverness has been his downfall; his thinking that he can get away with things that others cannot.  But I have to believe that he is intelligent enough to learn from that, too.  And as others have said very effectively on Bruins Nation, most of his transgressions were really pretty minor stuff.

I'm writing all of this because I am actually thinking that ironically enough, we might have the right coach right there in front of us, and are going to bypass him.  It's becoming pretty obvious to me that Dan Guerrero either does not want to hire Neuheisel, or is trying very hard to find someone else who would placate the alumni and boosters.  It may just be that he is afraid to take a side in the growing internecine warfare between the Walker faction and the Neuheisel faction.  He may fear upsetting the NCAA; though my understanding was that Neuheisel was recently vetted by that body.  I am not sure what he is doing.  But he longer he keeps looking at outside coaches, the more it appears that he may just try to grab one of them, and thus extricate UCLA from this increasingly contentious struggle.  I hope that Neuheisel hangs around long enough to see how this plays out, but he really might not; and then where will we be?  Well, we might possibly get Leach;  we might possibly get Jones.  I personally prefer Neuheisel to either of them; but certainly respect the opinions of those astute contributors here who might disagree. We might also get someone like Herman Edwards, who is a great guy, but not all that much of a football coach, and completely untested in college.  Believe me, if I thought that we had a real chance at someone like Mark Richt or Urban Meyer, I'd be all for it; but this isn't going to happen. And I see a real danger of us ending up with some "neutral" hire, whose reputation (particularly if it's NFL-based) is more than his actual ability.

Another thing to really like about Neuheisel:  Can you think of many other coaches who would have the confidence, even the arrogance, and the dynamism to stand toe-to-toe with Pete Carroll, not only for recruits, but in the big game?  Neuheisel has all of Carroll's cockiness, without its overbearing side. Leach and Jones certainly seem to have this, too.  But again, with Neuheisel you are not really doing much extrapolating from a record at a smaller school; you are looking at someone who has played in BCS games more than once.  I know that all of us are aching to be able to take it to Carroll, not just once every seven years, but  to give him as good as he gets.  That's really a tall order, and one that most Bruin fans have essentially given up on, no matter how they talk.  But though it won't happen overnight (the talent level next year will be lacking), I can actually see Neuheisel making UCLA a force to be reckoned with on the national scene; and along with that would go a pretty fair chance of playing even with the monster across town.  We used to do that, as we all remember.

Well, we'll ultimately get the person that Dan Guerrero chooses.  I could certainly live with anyone who has been a successful college coach.  But it's just my sense right now that Neuheisel is a lot more than a "fallback" or "second-tier" candidate; but is actually one of the very few people who might actually make a difference in our long-suffering football fortunes.

- Bruin Blue

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SMU made RN an offer?
My brother just told me that SMU offered RN $2 million but I can't find that anywhere on the internet. Anyone else here this?

by UCngLA on Dec 27, 2007 10:25 PM PST reply actions  

One intangible
Bruin Blue, excellent piece of writing. But I think most importantly, Rick really wants this job. It's his dream. How many us can say that we love our jobs, that our job is a dream come true. Not many of us, at least according to latest surveys in job satisfaction in America. But Rick, if hired, will find his dream, nested in the most conducive environment for success. He'll have what he has coveted, he'll do what he loves best, he'll have a need for redemption coaxing him along, and he'll have the support of the majority of bruin fans. This scenario for success transcends any statistics or past deviations.

by hdATucla on Dec 27, 2007 10:29 PM PST reply actions  

KD really, really wanted the job too.
Passion is no substitue for competence.

As soon as Rick gets his players on the field, his teams are soft and get progressively worse.

1999 - UW rushed for 190 yards/game (21st nationally and 2nd in the conference) 4.3 yards/carry
2000 - UW rushed for 212 yards/game (16th nationally and 1st in the conference) 4.8 yards/carry
2001 - UW rushed for 112 yards/game (96th nationally and 9th in the conference) 2.9 yards/carry
2002 - UW rushed for 74 yards/game (113th nationally and 9th in the conference) 4.3 yards/carry

The abomination of Washington's 2003 season is  mostly not Gilbertsons fault, he had NO talent on that team and every single player was a Rick recruit.

Rick won a Rose Bowl (at UW) because he had the Pac-10 Player of the Year at QB.  Tuiasosopo was a Lambright player, and as soon as he left the offense went to hell.

None of this means Walker should be hired.  It means DG needs to find some real choices.

by McCloskey on Dec 28, 2007 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Rick Neuheisel was destined to replace TD
years ago, but TD eschewed him for BT.  BT did have the miraculous run with Cade, but just think what RN would have done with the same players, and just think how RN would have recruited in subsequent years compared to BT!

I think RN is better than Leach, and yes, June Jones, too, on his record alone.  RN has coached and coached well in the big name conferences, the Big 12 and the Pac 10 already.  He has won BCS bowls already, including the Rose Bowl.

If he has the horses, he can develop them to their best potential and win.  I believe RN will get the horses here and beat the crap out of SUC, just like he beat the crap out of WSU, something we haven't done in years!

Let's hope DG is not acting holier than thou with RN.  Call it destiny, karma, whatever, the time is now to get RN back where he belongs, giving his all to win for the Bruins!

 

by uclahy on Dec 27, 2007 10:43 PM PST reply actions  

$UC Seal of Approval
My lifelong friend (literally more than 50 years) is an $UC alum (yeah, yeah...) - one of Frank Gehry's boys, class of '72, and a diehard Condom.  We haven't talked much over the past few weeks but on Christmas day we spent a little time on the phone.

He thinks UCLA would be crazy to hire RN.  Of course, he'd like to see DG rehire KD or, better, hire Paul Hackett as HC.  He had to put up with me during The Streak, and we've been to many UCLA-USC games together (my favorite - with him - is still the '70 game when we beat the bastards 45-20 while I sat with him in the Condom student section, holding my sides as I stifled my laughter).  His arguments re RN were so lame they were transparent.  Look, these guys are sweating our next hire.  They've enjoyed getting even for The Streak (and discount last year's upset as the aberration it was) and don't want to live through another sea change, as affected by RN, Leach, Jones or whoever.

BB has carefully recounted all the good reasons I've had for supporting RN, as well as including a few other cogent arguments.  But the most important argument may be made by listening to the baa'ing coming out of South Central U.

UCLA - the finest public university in the world

by SecondGenBruin on Dec 27, 2007 11:01 PM PST reply actions  

RN is now First Tier
I still believe we must exercise our due diligence in this process and attempt to find the best candidate available, which may very well turn out to be RN after it is all said and done. I just get the feeling that the clock is now ticking, and it has nothing to do with DyNoMite. He can follow KD wherever the hell he is now for all I care. That he would try to apply time pressure in his position is laughable. However, RN is already on the clock. How long will he wait? That's the timeframe we have to work with. If we lose RN as a candidate because we were shuffling our feet and hiring search firms, that would be an unforgivable fuckup by Morgan Center.

by Tydides on Dec 27, 2007 11:49 PM PST reply actions  

Looking at Walker as a First Tier Choice
In response to Bruin Blue, I will now list the factual arguments for why Walker should be a first tier choice:

by dokein on Dec 28, 2007 12:37 AM PST reply actions  

The Slickster is the best choice, unless...
I agree with the Slickster being a 1st tier coach. He has the unique qualities and experience to be a great fit for the program.  Can you say that about any other candidate?  If Danny G keeps stringing Slick along, we may very well lose him to SMU and their $2 million offer.  Then our only fall back would be the dreaded one--DeWayne.  We'd also be stuck with Norvell as well.  I hope the only reason why Danny G is delaying the decision is he has a commitment from Mike Leach or June Jones and he will announce it on Jan. 2.  Anything short of that could be a disaster.

by bruin75 on Dec 28, 2007 1:26 AM PST reply actions  

Doh!n link to an interesting story
Maybe the school will be off the hook for CTS buyout.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5407371.html

Bob O. (Signholder #3)

by TuneMan7 on Dec 28, 2007 7:06 AM PST reply actions  

This is a Joke, Right?
OK, how did you dummy up that Dohn column?

I'm probably the only Texans fan in BN -- so I think someone out there is messing with me.

KD and OC in Houston?

An OC? A reward for our offensive milestones during his tenure here?

Please, whoever is doing it, take it down. It's not nice to mess with an old man's mind.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 28, 2007 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Just like my nightmare scenario
There was talk about UCLA getting Gruden, which would open the Tampa job for CTS.  I feel your pain, sjh.  I really do.

by Fox 71 on Dec 28, 2007 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I've Changed
I now support KD for the Texans job so that we can recapture the buy out and give it to Leach.

In light of the recent break -- that it is a money issue, I'll sacrifice my hometown team for my alma mater, anyday.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 28, 2007 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Horrible Thought
I was originally a Neuheisel fan but had some slight concerns about Rick after I dredged up a couple of old articles detailing how his kids were a little undisciplined off the field. As with most who have studied the history of this, I am convinced that a more mature Neuheisel at his "dream job" would not let much sully his efforts; this includes coaching and team discipline.

However, I am having the most horrible thought: Guerrero may have waited too long for him and Rick -- spurned yet again -- would opt for a good offer. (I mean, I would live in Dallas for two mil.) It would be tragic if he did go to SMU leaving only Dead Man Walker as the sole remaining [known] candidate.

Even more terrifying would be the hiring of Dead Man by Guerrero. The worst of all possible worlds: losing a favorite son and gaining a coach who will perpetuate KD's legacy.

..I think I need a drink.

by whp68 on Dec 28, 2007 7:14 AM PST reply actions  

Source for the RN to SMU Rumor?
Is this but another rumor in the propaganda war?

I'll go check the Dallas papers.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 28, 2007 8:32 AM PST reply actions  

Answering My Own Question:
On November 28, the Dallas paper reports that SMU has "indirectly" contacted RN -- who called SMU a diamond in the rough.

Today, yahoo sports mentions that SMU is considering RN, Coker,and Franchione. No mention of offers or salary.

Here's my take:

No school in the country has to be more careful with hiring a coach who appears to be "tarnished" than SMU.

I am an RN booster, he's my third choice behind Leach and Jones, and I have written, extensively about his alleged violations -- but I find it difficult to believe that SMU will take on the PR issue of RN's "perceived" past.

I throw Franchione in that category too. He had a real "ethics" issue with a secret, subscription based newsletter (for a lot of money) that disclosed team injuries.

If anyone has anything more concrete, please post it.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 28, 2007 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree 66
I live in Dallas, and I have heard pretty much the same thing from the Dallas Morning News (our major paper) and local news outlets.  To say the least, it would be pretty interesting to see SMU hire Rick to bring their program back from the Death Penalty.  It would take a lot of balls, probably be a bit foolish, could payoff big time, but undoubtedly be fun to watch.  SMU is not completely adverse to taking on a bit of controversy though... they did agree to host the presidential library for GW Bush, and have taken a lot of heat for it, even within this Republican stronghold. If UCLA goes another route in their coaching choice (and I also advocate Leach #1, having watched him more than most, due to a lot of local televising of Tech games), I hope that SMU hires him- it would give me a reason to spend Saturdays at SMU.

by DallasBruin on Dec 28, 2007 9:04 AM PST reply actions  

Our Sitcom moment?
Interesting points.

I wonder if this turns out to be our sitcom moment, where the old friend, transparently hot behind her glasses (NCAA violations) and unstylish cloths (UDub incident), is tortured by her longtime love while he (it) stupidly pursues other guys.  Lame analogy, but we'll see if our girl ends up getting the guy this time around.

by Menelaus on Dec 28, 2007 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

Hah! One of my best friends is referring to RN
as "RLC" in reference to Rachael Leigh Cook from She's All That.  Terrible movie, horrendous analogy, but you get the gist.

Slow times in Bruin Nation right now I guess

by bruinhopeful on Dec 28, 2007 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

A New Name Surfaces
On the Bruin Gold board - John Fox's name is being thrown about.  He allegedly is going to get canned after Sunday and he has ties to TD as well as the West Coast.  This may be another rumor, but I personally would like us to stay in the college ranks and bring in a June Jones or a Mike Leach.

"Its not RN, not DW, both would have been hired by now, they are out.

The quiet period ends Wednesday, the coaches convention is the weekend of the 12th, and UCLA is going to lose both interested parties if they dont do something soon.

I don't want to start rumors, but if you are like me and believe there is a magical contestant behind door #2 who is playing on Sundays, and will be announced as the new coach of UCLA next week, a rather good source in the dept. told me that person is John Fox in Carolina.

DG knows him, GB is open to a clean, career long NFL guy who has enough money to take the job for $1-$1.2mm and has west coast ties.

Fox is from the LA area, played at Huntington High, is said to be great friends with Donahue and is by all accounts a class act. Don't kill the messenger, just passing along what I heard and at this point it makes sense because DG has left us nothing but conjecture."

"Failing to Prepare is Preparing to Fail"

by Griffin1 on Dec 28, 2007 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

I could deal with that
I have liked Fox for awhile, and he has demonstrated a pretty strong committment to and belief in UCLA footbal via his draft picks and free agent pick ups over the last several years (Foster, Seidman, Matt Moore (sort of), ricky manning). There are really a lot of interesting candidates that technically become available in the next week--Leach, Fox, Jones, Herm..just to name a few.

by DallasBruin on Dec 28, 2007 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

OT -- WTF- Donahue Doing More Damage
A quote from the fishwraps plaschke:

"USC is the football school, UCLA is the basketball school, we all know that," Donahue said before pausing. "But UCLA is still a great institution that can get great players from across the country."

I used to admire and respect TD. He was a classmate and anchored the only team to proudly wear the "gutty little Bruins" mantle -- the team that won the '66 Rose Bowl.

If anyone should know the proud history of UCLA football, it should be Donahue. He was there during the golden years.

Of course, he helped turn the program to bronze, kicked out RN, gave us Toledo, pushed for KD -- and now, thinks we give a shit about anything he says?

It is painful to watch someone I so respected fall from grace.

I'm at a point where I don't want anyone he does want. Sorry John Fox, but in the words of Roberto Duran "no mas, no mas".

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 28, 2007 10:03 AM PST reply actions  

Not a Neuheisal fan...
He reminds me of the 80's.  The 80's were okay but I don't want to go back there.  No, my biggest concern is his enormous fan base with UCLA alumni.  IF, and I'm not saying he will be, but IF he is a mediocre coach it will be impossible to get rid of him.

I tend to think he might give UCLA a few good years, but then things will come up.  Remember, the local rags in LA are a bunch of sc friendlies.  They would love nothing more than to write up issues about Rick and UCLA, including dredging up the past, in a way to take some of the spotlight away from sc in that regard.  I believe that will happen almost from the outset.

I still hope UCLA comes to their senses and goes after Mike Leech hard.  He's playing in a New Year's bowl game this year BTW.  He'll most likely win, too.  He got fined by the Big 12 this year for criticizing the officials for being biased towards Texas in their game.  People have made a really big deal about that.  I don't think that's that big of a deal.  I would like to call out the Pac-10 officials as some of the worst I've seen.

by FullertonBruin on Dec 28, 2007 10:43 AM PST reply actions  

Just win, baby
Whether it's Leach, Jones, Neuheisel or Bill Parcells, the new coach  isn't going to get much of a honeymoon.  DWW supporters would probably be willing to give Walker 6-7 years of mediocrity with the hopes that he would finally pull out a rabbit; but they'll not likely give any slack to ML, JJ or RN.  

I'd be surprised if any of us would be that supportive of another coach if all we got were 6-6 or 7-6...wasn't KD's record as much a bone of contention as his coaching techniques?

Whoever it is, we better have the pleasure of regular 10 win seasons and BCS bowl victories that follow on the heels of a $Cumbag thrashing.

Deliver at that level and EVERYONE in Bruinland will love you, no matter who you are.

UCLA - the finest public university in the world

by SecondGenBruin on Dec 28, 2007 9:31 PM PST reply actions  

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