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Around SBN: Penn State Recruiting Roundup Is Set For A Big Junior Day

Games In Our Coaching Search

So much for being in limbo. Huh?

Just when things were slowing down a little waiting for New Year's Day games to be over, things get interesting again.

First of all let us say none of us care about having any inside connections to Morgan Center. Sure we have some plugged in friends here and there but when it comes to coaching search, we have taken the route of writing/analyzing/speculating based on the information (both from traditional and new media) that have been out there in public. So imagine the (pleasant) surprise when I see the Mike Riley name popping up in this discussion the very morning I listed him as a "maybe" on BN. FWIW the Corvallis Gazette-Times is disputing Rich Perelman's post about DG pursuing Mike Riley as of right now (HT to DumpDorell.com). But let's assume for a moment Riley is in the picture. I have to tell you I agree with observations turs12 posted in our comment thread:

I think Riley has done an absolutely fantastic job at Oregon State and we were fools not to hire him and the first time and after having watched OSU play tonight I could only think, "What if..."  What if UCLA had hired Mike Riley the first time around?  I don't think he is going to be very receptive to us again after we chose Dorrell over him when he was clearly the more well qualified candidate.  Here is a look at some of the things Riley has done (at Oregon State nonetheless) over the last 5 years in Corvallis.

After going only 20-16 in his first two seasons, the Beavers have gone a combined 19-8 in the last two seasons, finishing third in the Pac-10 both times showing that his teams are getting progressively better as he is around longer to instill good coaching into his players(whereas we seemed to only get worse every season under Dorrell).

DeWayne Who?  OSU was #2 in the entire NATION in run defense giving up a minuscule 74.9 yards per game!  You want to talk about defense, that's how you shut down the running game and those numbers don't lie because it entails games covering an entire season(UCLA by comparison was 17th in the nation in rush defense giving up 109.2 yards per game and '$C was 4th allowing 79.2).  Oregon State was also 12th in the nation in total defense giving up 313 yards per game.  And who is in charger of the defense up there?  You guessed it, Riley.

He is 16-7 in games played in the month of November and beyond showing that he knows he to improve his team as the season progresses and not make sure that his players regress.  I don't have the exact numbers about Dorrell but I know his record after October was quite bad.

He is 3-2 against archrival Oregon, showing he has what it takes to win the big game.  Heck, he even beat U$C before we did.

His players have done well.  In 2005 Alexis Serna won the Lou Groza Award for best place kicker and Mike Hass won the Fred Biletnikoff Award for best wide receiver.  He also coached QB Derek Anderson who has been tearing it up with the Cleveland Browns this season and Yvenson Bernard finished tonight as the 6th highest all-time rusher in the Pac-10.  Other than Marcades Lewis winning the Mackey Award and Maurice Jones-Drew doing well(in spite of Dorrell, which I'm sure is why he left early) there is not much to show for at the next level.

I don't think UCLA fans realize how much we missed out by not hiring Riley(mostly because we've had  OSU's number the last 5 years) but I think he would have been setting us up to take a big step forward next year and things are looking good now at OSU with him at the helm.  I also feel like we have a lot of egg on our face for not hiring him the first time and could only imagine the embarrassment that Dan Guerrero feels going to interview Riley for a second time and having to admit that he was wrong and messed up the first time.
Those are same great points. I'd like to point out that DG has nothing to be embarrassed about when talking to Riley. IIRC from 2002 search there were public reports that Riley was DG's number 1 choice. And that Dorrell turned out to be Carnesale special. I think DG can make a pretty convincing representation to Riley that he wanted MR all along. Whether Riley will be receptive to this overture now that he is settling in Corvallis that remains to be seen.

Also wrt to Riley's accomplishments turs12 pointed out how he has done a great job in his second stint at Corvallis. To me Riley's most impressive accomplishment took place when he came into Corvallis in 1997 and took over what amounted to Temple Owls of the Pac-10. Riley took over a program from Jerry Pettibone that was 13-52 in previous 6 years. And the coaches before Pettibone didn't do any better. [See CFB Date Warehouse] Riley took over the program in 1997 and within two years made them relevant in the Pac-10 and set up the foundation for a program that went all the way to Fiesta Bowl under Dennis Erickson. And he did this at a place that really had noting to offer in terms of facilities, was getting dominated in its own backyard by a well-financed Oregon program. In some ways the situation Riley found himself at Oregon State is similar to where UCLA is today, the distinction being we have an incredible recruiting base that will make it easier for him to establish a solid program in LA.

Now I am writing all this not to advocate Riley as my number 1 choice. I think it is important to recognize Riley as more than a credible option (if he responds to DG's reported overture) just like we have one in Rick Neuheisel. That said I will be surprised if Riley decides to come down here. My gut tells me stays up at Corvallis. But I could be wrong.

Speaking of credible options that brings me to John Fox and I will highlight another excellent observation in our comment thread (keep these coming folks) by Bruin7982:
If he really is a candidate, I think John Fox would be an intriguing choice.  I'm not saying he would be my first choice, but he has a very solid record in the NFL.  He also coached in college as an assistant from 1978 to 1988, his last job being the defensive coordinator for Pittsburgh in 1988, after which he moved to the Steelers and began his lengthy NFL career.  His record as a head coach at Carolina is 55-47 (5-2 in the playoffs), which is particularly impressive given that he took over a team that was 1-11 the prior year.  According to the infallible source Wikipedia, he is the only coach other than Vince Lombardi to take a team that was 1-11 the year before he was hired to the championship game.  He coached in the 2003 Super Bowl and also in the 2005 NFC championship game, both of which he lost.  The Panthers have fallen off the last couple of years, so there is now talk that he will be fired.  But, with the overall parity in the NFL, I think Fox's record is very strong.  It certainly is a heck of a lot better than Cheatey Petey's record in the NFL!

Fox seems to meet Guerrero's criteria as he has extensive head coaching experience, has NFL experience and also is from the West Coast (he went to San Diego State).  His background is defense, same as Cheatey Petey, which in the end wins championships.  He would certainly have credibility on the recruiting trail and from what I recall of his t.v. interviews, he seems to have a good personality.  He might do well as a college coach.

I understand that he is friends with Donahue.  I don't view that as positive, but I don't think that disqualifies him.  He would still represent a break from the incestuous hiring practices of UCLA.

 Would he be a risk because he hasn't coached in college for a number of years and has never been a college head coach?  Sure, but it seems that all of the named candidates present risks.
That sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Now guys if you want to read between the lines check out the common denominator between Riley's program at Corvallis and John Fox's calling card as an NFL head coach. That's right. It's their DEFENSE.

And that brings me to the 3rd name that re-surfaced last night: John Harbaugh. Guess what? John Harbaugh is the defensive backs coach for the Philadelphia Eagles.  What was the DyNoMite doing before Dorrell brought him in as the DC at UCLA? Yeap, he was the defensive backs coach of Washington Redskins.

That's right guys. Brian Dohn's dreamy candidate, the bestest, most awesomest defensive coordinator in the country aced his interview so much that the three names that surfaced following his second interview all earned their stripes with their DEFENSE.

If DyNoMite and his cronies want to take the hint, this would be it. It is time for their boy wonder to head off to Northwest.

As for rest of us we are going to see this play out and I am starting to like what I am hearing. Even Donahue has now come out in support for Neuheisel. And despite that support I believe Rick Neuheisel will ironically represent a clear break from the Donahue era, given how he left UCLA.

I also think there might be something to the effect that DG is talking to Harbaugh again (perhaps on behalf of RN who is waiting for the Ravens season to come to an end) to gauge his interest as a DC.  And then I think it may not be totally out of the box to speculate a scenario in which Fox (not Mrs. Fox!) comes in as the head coach teaming up with RN as the OC? So lots of interesting scenarios to speculate here.

But all in all I like some of the stories that are coming out. If I am reading between the lines correctly I think it is more than a coincidence we are seeing names with defensive background popping up, just days after we get subjected to the Walker PR machine.

May be DG knows how to play this game after all?

Discuss!

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just posted a comment on the other post about RN maybe coming on as OC...

I would just about die if we got Fox (or Leach) as HC and RN as OC.

by lewkay on Dec 29, 2007 10:01 AM PST reply actions  

That would be a dream scenario :-)
But I am too jaded to dream that way. Nevertheless its worth the speculation methinks.

Fox comes in for few years and grooms RN to be our next HC. It could be perfect.

by Nestor on Dec 29, 2007 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Could be
But RN is also a very smart guy who can survey the situation and assess his (pragmatic) options.

If he comes in here with a coach like Fox and help us make a BCS run or too, not only he will completely reestablish his brand, he will instantly become one of the hottest commodities in the coaching market. Right now the only other option besides UCLA he has is SMU.

Like I said you could be right. But there could be something to a potential Fox/RN scenario, which I think would be a blockbuster coup for DG.

by Nestor on Dec 29, 2007 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

RN Options
Doesn't he also have the option to stay with the Ravens as OC?

I don't see how his college coaching stock would improve by moving back to OC at the college level, after being HC at the college level and OC in the NFL.  

He would be a great choice for HC, given his past success and his desire for the job.  I just don't see him biding his time at this stage of his career by being a college-level OC.

by islandbruin on Dec 29, 2007 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

No way...
I think that is too much of a downgrade for RN. I mean, it would be amazing, but I think unlikely.

I am loving Riley though... His offensive structure needs playmakers, players that OSU would have trouble recruiting that we could get.

I really hope we get Riley... that would make my holiday.

by dproduct on Dec 29, 2007 10:26 AM PST reply actions  

I don't think
RN would be an OC for someone like Riley. But to be an OC for someone like Fox, who has built a superbowl caliber team in Carolina, I think that's a  different scenario. Again, please note guys I am just speculating here.

by Nestor on Dec 29, 2007 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Mike Martz?
Anyone hear that Mike Martz name is in the mix for the HC job?

by mjbruin on Dec 29, 2007 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

here is the link
link
editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Dec 29, 2007 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep...
Just hit the web:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/canepa/20071229-9999-1s29canepa.html

And did anyone see the Texas Tech board this morning?  Interesting that DG has not officially contacted the TT AD.
http://www.doubletnation.com/story/2007/12/29/7409/0683

by East Coast Bruin on Dec 29, 2007 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Fox
I would be surprise to see Fox come to UCLA, not that I wouldn't want it to happen. When was the last time an established, currently employed NFL head coach left his job other than to retire? I'm not talking about college coaches like Saben or Petrino returning right away, but someone like Fox. Those NFL jobs are too hard to get to give one up willingly. Chris Mortensen was on Cowheard yesterday and said Fox's job was safe, so he would have to give to come to UCLA. Like I said, it would be a good to great hire, just don't see it happening.

Here is to hoping I am wrong...

by nikeu on Dec 29, 2007 10:59 AM PST reply actions  

As I said
Lot of these names dropping (or "popping"?) could be strategic leaks from Morgan Center to give the DyNoMite a little hint.

by Nestor on Dec 29, 2007 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

similarities between Fox & PC
Both grew up in California, both in mid 50s, roamed the college scene first, then on to the pros, defensive minded . . . I think there would be a great competition between the two of them.  

Anyone saying he's been out of the college scene for too long - Just look across town, that scumbag wasn't heavily involved in college for a few years until SC came around(he was @ NC State though for a year or two).

by TheStick on Dec 29, 2007 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

NFL to college
A lot of other colleges have had that same though, only to fail miserably. Pom Pom seems to be the exception, not the rule. Robinson at Syracuse, Wannstedt at Pitt, Gailey at G-Tech, Callahan at Nebraska, etc. Wannstedt is the only one doing anything and that isn't saying much. I think the duties of a HC are just too different between college and the NFL. It's not a jump down as thought, but a jump across. It would depend more on Fox's personality than his background. Not that I'm against the hire, just that DG needs to do his homework.

by nikeu on Dec 29, 2007 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree that Riley is a great candidate
However, according to the TV announcers last night, he calls his own offensive plays, so I am not sure where the idea that he runs the defense comes from. The defense has been run by Mark Banker for the past 5 years.

In Bankers 5th season, OSU had the 35th ranked scoring defense this year, in DWs 2nd UCLA had the 32nd. OSU had the 56th ranked offense, UCLA had the 93rd. If you look at games where the UCLA scored more than 7 points, the defense is top 20 in scoring allowed.

Its certainly not time for DW to leave. Wanting him to leave as DC is foolish. If a new top notch  coach doesn't want him, fine, but he is a great DC.

Riley has been both an OC and a DC in his career, and could probably do either well.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 29, 2007 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

DW is not a great DC
Stop advancing that BS. He is an above average DC at best. We have already had discussion this multiple times and please stop bringing the same BS if you don't have anything new to contribute to BN.

by Nestor on Dec 29, 2007 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

32nd and dropping..
"..in DWs 2nd UCLA had the 32nd.."

Yeah, but he had a lot of horses returning. He loses a lot of guys (Davis, et al) to graduation. How good would he be next year with drek?

He may be an o.k. DC but his behavior ("66" rightly characterizes him as "Iago") is shameless and has disenfranchised a lot of the fans (knowledgeable and otherwise) around these parts.

Were I he, I would take my act on the road.

by whp68 on Dec 29, 2007 11:41 AM PST reply actions  

Thoughts on all these new names...
Does it make any sense that DG may be interviewing/talking to OC/DC candidates as well as potential HCs?  If you agree with this line of thought, it implies DG wants to have staff alternatives already identified when the HC hire takes place, or already has an HC lined up and is looking into the new guy's "shopping list" for coaching staff replacements.

I also get the feeling a common "source close to the search" the media shrills are using is someone in the UCLA Travel Office who cares little about football but is very happy to share the itineraries of traveling staff.  DG should consider using a proxy to make his reservations.

by East Coast Bruin on Dec 29, 2007 12:05 PM PST reply actions  

Staff
DG isn't looking for a coaching staff, the HC does that. No self respecting HC would allow someone else to hand pick his staff for him, and that sure wouldn't include having DG do it either.

by nikeu on Dec 29, 2007 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Working the New HCs Wish List?
If he's made a choice, maybe he's out trying to hire the new HC's wish list coaches.

Somehow, I don't see Harbaugh as an HC candidate. The only thing that makes sense is a coordinating position. And, I don't think we'd go there without being told to by the new HC.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 29, 2007 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It's all over - It's Skippy
Press conference at 2pm.

by ucla84 on Dec 29, 2007 1:01 PM PST reply actions  

rn
it was just announced on ESPN that the AP is reporting RN is head coach.

by nikeu on Dec 29, 2007 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

just beat me to it
was going to d'up the news, but looks like I've been beat to the punch, plus the imminent front page news.

by bruinhoo on Dec 29, 2007 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Bout damn time
Neuheisel has ties to the program, he's a successful OC and Head Coach and recruits to the fullest of his ability. Now if we can get rid of the DW cancer....

by Ghost of seven in a row on Dec 29, 2007 1:06 PM PST reply actions  

Neuheisel
saw it, like it, I'm in--go keep those recruits RN, and kick SC's A$$!!!!

by DallasBruin on Dec 29, 2007 1:08 PM PST reply actions  

Rick!
look out SUCsters, we're comin' to jam it down your throats!  Get in there and make it happen, Rick!  I hope they pay him well, at least $1.5.  Rick almost beat the Pats this year pounding the ball with McGahee and a shitty Boller and now we have two very talented backs coming in.  I'm optimistic.  Redemption time for Skippy.  
"Call it, Friend-O"

by bruin95 on Dec 29, 2007 1:14 PM PST reply actions  

YES!
Am hearing it on ESPN, right now.  Lou Holt is mushing out his opinions, stating it's an excellent hire.

Good job, DG!  We're proud of you and support you.  More later....

Alumnus/Parent '08/ Chancellor's Associate

by BruinMum on Dec 29, 2007 3:07 PM PST reply actions  

Holtz, sorry.
Alumnus/Parent '08/ Chancellor's Associate

by BruinMum on Dec 29, 2007 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

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