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Answering Our Critics

In recent days, BN has been the target of ignorant criticism from other fanbases who think our expectations for Karl Dorrell are unreasonable and unfair. They know who they are, and while my personal feeling is that it's none of their damn business how we feel about our coach, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume their takes come from ignorance rather than the fear of awakening the sleeping giant that is Bruin Football. After all, it is in the best interest of the current football elite that the Bruins don't join their club, and it would appear that us retaining KD is the best way to keep us down.

Some of our critics are undoubtedly ignorant rather than fearful, and that is what this post is all about: education. There are way too many reasons to doubt that KD can get the job done this year for me to list here. A small sample can be found in ESPN's recent "All Access" piece on our football team, in which our head football coach was made to look like a bumbling idiot in front of the nation. But I'm a Basketball guy first. I take refuge from the winter cold by ducking into Pauley Pavilion to watch our basketball team dismantle yet another hapless opponent. In that light, I'll share my personal reasons why it is absolutely imperative that our expectations are met this season.

The urgency starts and ends with this man:

I believe I felt a collective shudder from Bruin Nation upon seeing this mans mugshot. For the Non-Bruins who may not know who this is, this is Steve Lavin, ESPN commentator, #1 Worldwide consumer of petroleum products (hairgel), and one of the worst coaches UCLA has ever had. Among his "accomplishments" in Westwood are:

  • Second worst record of any post-Wooden coach (145-78, 0.650)
  • UCLA's first losing season in 50 years
  • History of Postseason Failure (Inability to get past the Sweet Sixteen despite an abundance of NBA talent on his roster)
  • Embarrassing blowouts to elite teams, unexplainable and unforgivable losses to far lesser teams
  • Complete lack of player development
So what? That's basketball, not football. Hold on just a second, let's take a quick look at Karl Dorrell's "accomplishments" in Westwood:
  • 29-20 Record (0.592)
  • 1-3 Record in second tier bowl games (losses in Silicon Valley, Las Vegas, and Emerald Bowls)
  • Embarrassing blowouts to elite teams (SUC)
  • Unforgivable losses to far lesser teams (UW, Arizona)
  • Lack of player development (Anyone watch the NFL Draft this year?)
Yes, what we have here is a full blown case of history repeating itself, at our expense. I ask our critics, what justification do you have for criticizing Bruin fans for not wanting to repeat the same mistakes twice? There is no answer for that. Lavin took the greatest tradition in college basketball and ran it into the ground. Why should we stand by and watch the same thing happen to our football program not even 10 years later? The first step to ensuring that we do not repeat the mistakes of the past is to clearly state the expectations we have of our coaches. Lavin was an expert at lowering the bar and creating an atmosphere where he was not held accountable for his failures by painting the UCLA fanbase as unreasonable. In much the same way that I see parallels between KD and Lavin, I see them between our critics and Lavin's slick bar-lowering techniques.

Those who continue to insist that we are being unreasonable by holding our football coach to his own expectations from back when he was hired must be afraid to see what could happen when UCLA finally gets a Howland or Savage type coach in place for our football program. In the span of four years, Ben Howland has undone the damage that Lavin hath wrought and then some, which is nothing short of a miracle. Savage is well on his way to awakening a long dormant underachieving baseball program. We are UCLA, the first university to get to 100 NCAA championships. The two aforementioned coaches have merely helped basketball and baseball join the majority of programs in Morgan Center who are already at the elite status, and have been there for quite some time.

We know what is possible for our football program, because we see success every day in virtually every other athletic program. That is why the expectations are what they are, and we must not back down and allow another Lavin to run roughshod over another one of our programs.

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Ty, you owe me a new keyboard
I opened up the BN, saw the picture of Coach Howland's predecessor and immediately barfed on my keyboard.  I need an address to send the bill.

And remember, this is at worst a PG-13 site.  If you're going to put up that sort of picture, you need to have a disclaimer so that it doesn't just jump into your face without giving you a chance to get past it.  

by Fox 71 on May 19, 2007 1:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I absolutely promise
that is the last time I will post that picture on BN. I had my reservations about it, but the point needed some extra "emphasis".

by Tydides on May 19, 2007 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

KD is not as bad as Lavin
Oh, come on. He's underachieved, sure, but we've been number 2 in the city in football for most of our history and he replaced a coach who had run the program into the ground and left the cupboard bare. Lavin came into a much stronger situation in every way and left the program in much worse shape than he found it.

by Chandler on May 19, 2007 1:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe you meant to say...
 "not YET as bad as lavin"

I have no interest in waiting for him to reach that mark.

I would have been more sympathetic to his cause if it wasn't for 1) the ND breakdown and 2) the unexcusbale Emerald Bowl debacle. Beating sc and then losing to Florida State was the equivalent of lavin's team beating (#1) Cincinnati in the first round of the 2002 tourney and them losing the very next game to (#12) Missouri.

by UCngLA on May 19, 2007 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mediocre is not the same thing as incompetent.
I agree with almost all of the criticisms of KD, but I don't think he'll ever be in the same class as Lavin. Lavin is in a class by himself.

Terry Donahue was the coach when I was at UCLA ('77-'81). He was painfully conservative (run-run-pass-punt), lost a lot of games he should have won, wasted a lot of the talent on his teams and pretty much had a lot of the same weaknesses as KD. We were all screaming for his head. And then, my senior year, Freeman McNeill caught that tipped pass against SC....

I can still see the ball tumble into his arms s he reeled it in. One of the great moments.

But I digress.

Do I think Donahue should have been given as much time as he was given to get his act together? No. But he managed to improve. Do I want to go through all that again with KD, even if KD eventually learns the job? No.

But Lavin he ain't.

by Chandler on May 20, 2007 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Freeman McNeil...
is my all-time favorite Bruin football player.

by UCngLA on May 20, 2007 3:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

McNeil and Easley
Those were some great days. Ah, the memories.

No one moved like McNeil and no one laid a hit on like Easley. Drafted three and four in the first round.

by Chandler on May 20, 2007 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uhm ...
Lavin was a bad person. A terrible coach.

From what we hear KD is good guy. He means well. But   in terms of record he has proven to be a terrible coach.

And actually he didn't inherit a football program in bad shape. As we have discussed so many times here on BN, Dorrell inherited a program that had plenty of talent. But they were not disciplined. KD simply failed to take advantage of what he inherited and make the best out of it. He failed miserably in his first two years. All along though we heard the excuses about wait till the program is full of KD players (incidentally that was exact same mantra of Lavin supporters who kept telling his critics - just wait till the program is full of Lavin recruits without the bad apples from Harrick years).

Well now here we are. 2001-02 was going to be his make or break year - in which he had to come up with a Pac-10 championship and a tourney run that went past Steve-16s. He came up short and his jig was up.

This is it for KD. If KD cannot get it done this year (win the Pac-10 and beat Southern Cal) the jig is going to be up for him too ... just like Lavin. Otherwise if wait till next year to fire him, the program will crater to an all time low just like it did in Lavin's last season.

So yeah T is on the money here ... there is a reason why we all have the Lavin feeling here on BN.

by Nestor on May 19, 2007 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. 2 in the city
I realize and accept that SuC has a "better" football tradition than we do.  The historical numbers don't lie.

But it was not so long ago that we owned those SuCsters for 8 straight years.  8 years.  That's a lot of Toejams who went through school and graduated without ever tasting victory against UCLA.

Now, we have just recovered from our own 7 year losing streak against Fig Tech.  

There is no reason we cannot, at the very least, play these guys head's up and win, at a minimum, every other year against them and/or at the Mausoleum from time to time, and not every blue moon.

I know this thread is supposed to be about Lavin, but we are a good enough, big enough, and strong enough school to not accept settling for No. 2 in L.A. in football.  

by Barnes2JJ on May 19, 2007 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually
this thread is about KD. He either needs to remove himself from the slickster's shadow this season, or find somewhere else to "grow" and "turn the corner". Fortunately for Lavin, he is a good public speaker, which netted him a job at ESPN. If KD's All Access interview is any indication, Bristol will not be knocking on KD's door anytime soon if we let him go.

I don't think we're asking for the world here. An above average coach should be able to use UCLA's natural advantages to catapult us into the upper echelon of football programs with occasional tastes of elite status. The better the coach, the more frequently we could visit elite status. No team stays at the top all the time, but solid programs never slide down to 7-6 and lose their bowl games in humiliating fashion.

by Tydides on May 19, 2007 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The horror...the horror
You are right--this thread IS about KD.

Like Fox, I think I was shocked and awed by the Lavin mugshot.  I had/have Lavin on the brain.

I know Lavin is a good public speaker and all that, but the guy really is a slimeball.  At least no one (that I know of) feels that way about KD as an individual.  Not everyone is a great public speaker.  And not everyone is cut out to be head football coach at UCLA, either.

I think more needs to be made out of our losses in the bowl games.  The bowls we have played in have not been, ahem, exactly major league bowls.  A head coach with any pride would have probably declined the invitations altogether (yeah, yeah, I know, there are big bucks behind even minor, crappy bowl games).  And the teams we have played in those bowl games have also not exactly been world-beaters.

The fact that KD's teams have performed so miserably in bowls says something about his motivational skills, to say the least.

by Barnes2JJ on May 19, 2007 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe not never 7-6
(double negative, I know), as even top programs have their down seasons from time to time. But to do so (or worse) in 3 out of 4 seasons is not the mark of a healthy program, given the overall advantages that the program should have.

by bruinhoo on May 19, 2007 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. And getting stomped by SuC is always...
...inexcusable. That should never happen. Period.

by Chandler on May 20, 2007 2:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Counter point
I think, rather, that the collective losing it by Bruins Nation over these supposed "criticisms" is symptomatic of general paranoia and an "us vs. the world" mindset.

The "criticisms" you're referring to were jokes, made on other blogs - deserving of chuckles, not a defense treatise. It's not like we don't know that KD needs to put up or ship out this season. What we didn't know is that a joke couldn't be made about it without this kind of overreaction from BN.

Seriously: where's the sense of humor?

by HornsFan @ Bruins Nation on May 19, 2007 1:47 PM PDT reply actions  

There's simply a difference in perception
ESPN writers in the past have expressed disbelief that we could possibly be dissatisfied with the job KD has done. Now, while those voices are getting quieter, this disturbing pattern is something that most at BN have seen coming for a while now. You'll have to excuse us for being particularly vocal on this issue, considering that ESPN and opposing teams had nothing but praise for Lavin, probably resulting in him staying as long as he did while he flushed our proud tradition down the toilet. As history shows, we were right, and the national media and the opposition were wrong. Others may try to convince us that we can't do better. I believe that we can.

by Tydides on May 19, 2007 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Horns Fan ...
was probably striving to be Dickie Vitale of college football blogosphere. After all thats what Dickie V does right ... just joking around.

by Nestor on May 19, 2007 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lecturing ...
I don't think we need lectures from outsiders on what should pass for "funny" or "not funny" in the context of UCLA athletics. I find it rather amusing that these jokes are coming from fans with solid football programs, the same fans who ran coaches after coaches out of their little college towns for not being NC winning calliber coaches.

HF ... I think we are doing fine here ... in terms of putting togther a community that knows how to laugh itself, how to discuss sports based on reality, while conncting with each other in a very healthy way. What we don't need is outsiders coming on here and telling us how we should react to comments that may seem a "joke" to those making them, while from our POV it comes across as nothing short ignorant barbs coming out of mouths of asslcowns on ESPN. You know the very assclowns whose cute "jokes" and idiocy that has driven so many readers to blogs.

by Nestor on May 19, 2007 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's funny
You chide us for not having a sense of humor, but can't reply to our response with out condescension and finger wagging.  Thanks for telling us what's funny, and how to think.  Seriously, get off your horse.

by Menelaus on May 19, 2007 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Celebrity Look-a-Likes
steve lavin and Fred Flintstone

by UCngLA on May 19, 2007 3:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Lavin's mug is OK with me
With Howland firmly entrenched at UCLA and our bball pgm humming along in high gear, Lavin's mugshot no longer affect me.

However, I cringe at the sight of KD, and when he opens his mouth to speak I feel embarrassment.  This is how a UCLA headcoach speaks?

by bluegold on May 19, 2007 10:06 PM PDT reply actions  

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