tired of people claiming this site is anti-dorrell..

by redsand514 on Jun 26, 2007 1:25 PM PDT Comment 14 comments

I understand this site can be hard on dorrell, but it's not like its undue. The moderators and other posters continually give objective arguments that are always backed up with hard facts. I understand that numbers can be manipulated in many ways, but they always give there sources and from that information how they came to their conclusions. I like many other bruin fans are optimistic about the season, we want to see our time succeed, if we didn't we wouldn't spend our money on games we can watch on tv or at the local sports bar. So for anyone that plans to rip on this site again for being anti-dorrell please do your research and look at the body of work that this site has amassed. Read the about us section, so you understand who these ppl are.

About dorrell, I'm not too optimistic, I'll give him a chance but that obviously isn't by choice (were not the AD). For those pro-Dorrell people, please again take a look at the 7 games we won the past year, and read the posts following such games. We had a few quality wins. The one that sticks out is Rice. At half-time being up only 13-0 and 16-10 going into the 4th quarter is not acceptable. I also feel like the random posters who see this as an anti-dorrell, were non-existent between the suc game and the Emerald Bowl. If you read this blog, Nestor, dumpdorrell, and other posters were actually optimistic about Dorrell because for some reason he showed a different side of himself, (except for still conservative play calling), that gave us, and especially the moderators some hope. But then if you watched the disaster in bay, Dorrell for some reason regressed back to his old self. So for you people who see this as anti-dorrell, you're blind because Nestor and the other prominent posters will give Dorrell credit when its due, until then we're hoping he'll prove us wrong, and not just once, but consistently.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Well said

One more point - when something is an opinion only, it's generally labeled as such.

And I can think of no one who has ever suggested that there is anything wrong with Mr. Dorrell, the person. He's a great guy, I would be proud to call him a friend.

But there are many things he is not qualified to do. I would not want him as the chief surgeon for my heart transplant. I would not want him landing the Space Shuttle when I'm on board. And I don't want him coaching my football team.

by Fox 71 on Jun 26, 2007 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Also, Well Said

What makes this site worth a daily visit and an occasional comment for me is the generally excellent job most of the contributors do of pointing out the shortcomings of the Dorrell run football program without resorting to name calling. Hopefully, BN will not devolve into a place where when one disagrees with the message, all they do is attack the messenger.

As you said 71 more elequently than I did in a post yesterday, Dorrell the person is not the problem, Dorrell the coach (based on his inabilty to meet the performance goals he himself articulated when he took the job)is.

by Bruin77 on Jun 26, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This site is not anti KD

This site is anti mediocrity in UCLA football. If Mother Teresa were the coach of the program in this current state, I would also have harsh words to say about her in a football context.

by bluegold on Jun 26, 2007 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

very well said!!

and thanks for pointing out the we at DD, as well as Nestor et al, gave Dorrell mucho kudos for the win and did put out hope that we could destroy FSU and that Dorrell turned that mythical corner. I even was invited to ESPN radio and interviewed with The Big Show with Mason and Ireland for 5 minutes and gave Dorrell praise for the win. That is a fact that we blogged about and others here heard live.

by DumpDorrell on Jun 26, 2007 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think the venom comes from...

... people coming onto the site and insulting people who blast KD's coaching, and then regulars here start blasting the visitors for insulting us, and it keeps going and going until no one remembers who started what.

I prefer not to insult people coming in here, and instead respond to them with reason and polite invitations to respond with facts and data.

Funny how I never seem to get a dialogue going when I do that... BTW, has anybody seen Bill and Ted recently?

WHY NOT US? WHY NOT NOW?

by Meriones on Jun 26, 2007 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Ha!

You mean Rambo?

by Barnes2JJ on Jun 26, 2007 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

People don't like to get involved

in a battle of wits when they have no ammo. That's why there's no dialogue with some of these guys - just hand grenades from ten paces.

I have extended many invitations for people to engage in a dialogue about why they would let their children go to that place across town. The responses have basically been only insults. Flame throwing is hardly a substitute for reasoned discussion.

by Fox 71 on Jun 26, 2007 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You

Soup Nazi, you!

As a follow-up to your comments, I think the discussions on BN are, more often than not, very well-mannered. A few rabble-rousers shake the tree from time to time, but overall, the discussions are generally respectful.

by Barnes2JJ on Jun 26, 2007 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Could not help myself

They are another "excellent (Mis)adventure"

by artybruin on Jun 26, 2007 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks Red

What's that saying:

First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then they fight you
Then you win.

We have come a long way. Couple of years ago BN didn't register a blimp on anyone's radar. Then we started reading the snide digs on other boards. And now people are coming here trying to engage (not so successfully given what we have seen from posters like "Bill & Ted")

I'd say we are on the right track wrt to creating a community which envisions and demands a UCLA athletics program that strives for excellence in every facets of its program while doing what it can to connect passionate Bruin alums, students, and fans from all across the nation.

GO BRUINS.

by Nestor on Jun 26, 2007 4:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Go to the other boards

and see how you get treated. I have been called so many names in just two days that it is purely comical. And I am pretty sure that most of the people on there aren't even UCLA alumni.

They have absolutely no basis for argument. Every time I give them a fact about KD's performance, they come back with "he's been recruiting well, you just wait and see". I have been accused countless times of not being a "true Bruin fan". They simply cannot use KD's performance to justify their optimism and blast anyone who does not share their faith, because that is the only engine that powers their arguments. To be fair, quite a few people are using this year as their barometer, but they still tell you to shut up until the season starts, as if criticizing KD's past performance means that we are rooting for the team to lose. Quite childish and pathetic.

by tasser10 on Jun 27, 2007 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

why was my post

about this site being anti-dorrell deleted?

by guttylittlebruins on Jun 28, 2007 6:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I didn't delete it, but

I think I can tell you why without having seen your post.

It was opinion masquerading as fact.
The factual predicates for your thesis were never explained.
You may have sounded hysterical.
You may have sounded juvenile.
You may have made ad hominem attacks on players or coaches.

As I said, I didn't see it. But I think you do our moderators an injustice if you think they deleted a post simply because they didn't agree with its content. Didn't you see the Bill and Ted thing, for crying out loud?

One question - please point out who has been critical of Mr. Dorrell, the person. I am his biggest critic, but I have never attacked him as a person because in my opinion he doesn't warrant it. The number one reason for that is his heritage: He's a Bruin.

To my way of thinking, there are only two negatives about Mr. Dorrell. First, he is a horrible coach. (I'm too lazy to cite all the reasons, but they've been rehashed at length.) Second, he speaks in cliches, making it impossible to understand what he is really trying to say. (Speaking in cliches is a something that is learned, like picking one's nose. And like picking one's nose, it is a habit that can and must be broken.)

There is nothing else wrong about Mr. Dorrell in my opinion. So am I "anti-Dorrell as a coach?" Absolutely, and will be anti-Dorrell the coach until he achieves the goals he set for himself. But am I "anti-Dorrell as a person?" Absolutely not. He seems to be a great guy, and someone who I would be proud to call a friend.

One more question, and it's a real one. Can you really not tell the distinction between a critique of Mr. Dorrell's record as a coach and an attack on him personally? I absolutely do not want to be guilty of that and would appreciate it if you could point out how this is an ad hominem attack on Mr. Dorrell personally.

by Fox 71 on Jun 28, 2007 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because

We just don't have a lot of patience for drama. As has been said multiple times ... take the whining somewhere else. We are not writing to please you.

And no need for apology next time you are proven wrong. Lets cut down on the drama.

by Nestor on Jun 30, 2007 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs