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Anatomy of a Dorrellista

What is it that motivates Dorrell supporters?

I'm not being glib.  Really, what motivates Dorrell supporters?

Because, frankly, I just don't get it.  After one, two, three, or even four years, maybe I sorta understand.  But, now, given all we've seen, who are these people?  And what motivates them to actually go out of their way to defend Dorrell?  

Before I go on, let me make a distinction.  I'm not talking about folks who support Dorrell or the university in the general sense.  Believe it or not, before Salt Lake City, I was rooting for Dorrell to prove me wrong, and bring home a Pac-10 title.  I genuinely hope the best for the guy, despite my misgivings about his performance as UCLA's head football coach.

But I'm not talking about that kind of support.  I'm talking about Dorrelistas.  The denizens of certain message boards who expend considerable energy defending their man in the face of overwhelming evidence against them.  The fans who would give their first born to keep KD at UCLA.  Folks that have turned cognitive dissonance into an art form.  The subset of UCLA fandom that, despite presumably having a UCLA education, still are behind Dorrell all the way to the end.

It's those folks I don't understand.  What's their dog in this hunt?  No one just has a deep love affair with mediocrity, so it must be something else, right?  And, it seems like a fair question, since the Dorrellistas have already so clearly identified what motivates KD's critics (hatred, racism, pantism, etc.)

Fortunately, I'm a curious fellow, so I thought I'd take a stab at figuring out what makes these people tick.  After a ton of research, I was able to put my fingers on something that provides a few possible explanations.  Below is an excerpt from an essay by the preeminent Dr. Wiydahell, that examines rabid Dorrell supporters in some detail.  According to the good doctor:

Anatomy of a Dorrellista, by Dr. Phinneaus Wiydalhell, Md, PhD

The Kingdom of college sports fandom is replete with a myriad of fascinating species.  The paper examines the newly discovered Dorrelista Delusionista, commonly known as a Dorrellista, who are vocal supporters of UCLA head football coach Karl Dorrell.  Unknown to science before 2003, members of this genus demonstrate a number of characteristics, in many ways similar to the Lavinista Swineista, that require examination.

Dr. Wiydahell goes on to identify the known species of Dorrellista.  His paper is somewhat dry and scientific, so I borrowed his categories and adapted his conclusions using less formal language.  Dr. Wiydahell, if I've mischaracterized your work, please let me know, and I'll happily make some changes.  Anyway, here it goes:

The Dorrellista includes the following species:

  1.  The Nitwits.  It just can't be that anyone really thinks he's the best coach for the job.  That is, at least not anyone with a minimally functioning intellect.  Even giving him the greatest possible benefit of the doubt, he's at most a nice man, whose matured somewhat after four years on the job, into a mediocre to average college football coach.  And he has a number of laudable qualities, including a good memory of birthdays and a semi-low handicap.  But, honestly, if you really think he's the best coach UCLA could attract, I'm surprised you were able to read this far.  And that you haven't fallen down recently.  But, I've seen the message boards.  Some people can't harness facts, and spit in the face of reason and logic.  And that, according to Mr. Wiydahell, makes up 5% of Dorrellistas.
  2.  The Dependents.  We're not talking about Dorrell's kids here.  We're talking about the people who are dependent upon access to the program for their livelihood in various ways.  This species includes members of the athletic administration and the professional writers, reporters and service providers who need to maintain a good relationship with the coaching staff to get that story, that interview, or that contract.  Access is key.  Intellectual honesty is secondary.  According to voluminous scientific research, this makes up another 5% of Dorrellistas.
  3.  The Hangers On.  If you've been to a Bruin practice, you've seen some of these guys.  Maybe middle-aged, maybe older.  Probably dressed sort of shabbily.  Could be sporting a notebook.  Might be employed, might not.  Seems to know many of the other folks sharing a similar description.  Drops names.  Talks loudly, particularly when mentioning something he was told "on the down-low" by someone "in the know."  Chums it up with the players after practices; players humor them awkwardly, as a small child does to an overly affectionate aunt.  I won't say these folks are the dead wood of society, but maybe they've constructed a warm little alternate family for themselves.  Of course, these guys love Dorrell.  Because, you know, you can't say anything bad about dad, er... ah... Dorrell, without getting some comeup'ns.  5% of Dorrellistas.
  4.  The Loyalists.  This segment takes an honorable trait to the extreme.  I'd be proud to share a fox hole with any one of them.  But, for some, loyalty is perverted into a sort of obsession.  For these folks, there is no acceptable form of dissent.  There is no constructive criticism (you traitors).  It's just root, root, root for the home team.  And, if you don't, you aren't a real fan.  Dorrell's the coach, and there's only one thing to do: give him your (blind) support.  Curiously, the Loyalist fails to understand that, if anyone, the university (who pays KD millions), and not Karl Dorrell the man, deserves their loyalty, and that a change might serve the common good.  These folks, according to Dr. Wiydahell, make up 10%.
  5.  The Hopeless Romantics.  Yes, these are mostly men.  But, these are men that like to cry.  And love Meg Ryan movies.  You see, Karl (it's "Karl" to the emotionally invested) is such a nice fellow.  He's also handsome, and has represented the university so well by cleaning things up... er, except, that is, when he opened up his heart to give that nice young man Eric Scott a second chance.  (Cue the music.)  And, in a world gone mad (spoken in movie trailer guy voice), against all odds, and in the face of bad nasty critics who have the gall to demand sustained competence in exchange for millions of public dollars, the underdog Dorrell might -- just might-- turn in a miracle seasons and prevail!  Or so 5% of Dorrellistas hope.
  6.  The Eternal Optimists.  The cup isn't half full.  It runneth over.  You see, this is going to be the year.  Or it's a whole new season now (following another Utah-esque loss), and the Pac-10 title is ripe for the taking.  And none of the glaring problems, be they poor in-game adjustments, or revolving door assistants, are going to harsh these folks' feel-good buzz.  Memories are short with this crowd, and history is a waste of time.  The season is just getting started, and we have a feeling that this might just be our year!!!  Sadly, this 5% of Dorrellistas are deluded by optimism, and sentenced to years of disappointment.
  7.  The Risk Averse.  These timid souls might be called pessimists, but they really fear risk.  They are often spotted in dead-end jobs, squandering their innate talents.  They trudge through life in fear of instability, and huddle closely to the shallow security born of routine.  The bird in the hand matters most, and that bush is, well, sorta dark and scary.  These Dorrellista fear change, and are quick to point out the perceived catastrophes awaiting any coaching change.  Lost recruits.  Unhappy players.  The disruption caused by new coaching philosophies.  Sadly, a third tier bowl game loss is better than facing the risk of a new coach to these 10% of Dorrellistas.
  8.  The Easily Pleased.  The coach tried hard.  And, we did win more than 7 games a couple years ago.  And let's not forget 13-9.  That's one win in four tries!  Yes, this group, perhaps the largest segment of Dorrellista, suffers from a crippling inability to demand more of life.  Quick to brand others as having "unreasonable expectations," this group formed a prominent wing of the Committee to Save Steve Lavin.  In basketball, these folks told us that Sweet Sixteens were enough, and to dare to dream of Final Fours was absurd.  They tell us now that there are 118 other Division I schools, and that we have no right to seek more than top half finishes in the Pac-10 and a once-in-a-decade run at something more.  These people are mostly blind to the tradition and natural advantages of UCLA, and wield a distorted notion of equivalence that somehow says that the Bruins should expect to fare no better than the Minnesota's of the world.  So says 20% of Dorrellistas.
  9.  The Futurists.  These folks don't write science fiction novels.  But they are transfixed by the future.  So, while this year may not be the year for [fill in the reason], UCLA is going to be unstoppable in 2010!  A curious bunch, this group first displays a tendency to become Futurists in college, perfecting procrastination, and later, by honing an unholy command of the status of the 2009 recruiting class.  Here and now is for losers.  It's the future that will bring us all we need.  Just have patience, my friend.  One January not so far off, this 5% of Dorrellistas believe, we will be taking our flying cars to the Rose Bowl.
  10.  The Excusers.  The dog ate these guys' homework.  And that promotion didn't come because their boss was "out to get them".  It wasn't fair.  If only I'd gotten a good night sleep, I would have come up with that idea and won the account.  But that damn cat kept me awake, and the .... oh, you get the idea.  To this crowd, Dorrell is simply a victim of the resurgence of USC, the injuries to SPJ/Harwell/Cowan and [fill in the blank], the screw-ups by those darned assistant coaches, the inexcusable errors by Johnny-just-thrown-under-the-bus at [fill in the blank] position, and the unreasonable expectations of fans who don't realize what they are doing impedes recruiting and makes the players sad.  This accounts for 10% of Dorrellista.
  11.  The Cultists.  It doesn't take purple shrouds or brand new black-and-white Nike tennis shoes to pick these sad souls out of the crowd.  Just look for someone who refers to KD as "the Dorrell," eats little more than low protein gruel, and forces others to sit before the circle of judgment.  Their great Leader, unassailable in the eyes of these deluded few, holds terrible influence over the easily suggestible minds of this species of Dorrellista.  But, why have a successful football program, when you can have flying saucers, space opera and a lifetime of devotion to the Dorrell.  Use caution if you ever find yourself in the company of these sad creatures (and their lawyers are no doubt contacting SBN to have this post removed already), as the unpredictable madness of this 5% of Dorrellista chills the soul.
  12.  The Contrarians.  There's always a few of these guys around.  You know, the ones that purposefully take the other side of any argument just, well, because.  For these folks, a unifying philosophy, or meaningful standards aren't just unnecessary, they are a hinderance to being a royal pain in the ass.  Not blessed with meaningful social skills, the Contrarian obtains responses in social interactions by being a tool.  Not to be a devil's advocate, but to get attention.  This species is 73% more likely than other Dorrell supporters to engage in flame wars on BN, and create multiple accounts from the same IP address after being banned.  Regrettable for all of us, this is 5% of Dorrellistas.
  13.  Trojans.  Who is it that populates that portion of UCLA opinion polls who say that a .500 season meets minimum expectations?  Yep, Karl Dorrell's biggest fans, our friends at Southern Cal.  The enemy of your enemy is your friend, or so says this group of Dorrell boosters.  Go to any USC message board you like, and take a gander.  Sure, you'll see some gamers who want a real rivalry, but mostly you'll see snarky voices in support of KD from his biggest "fans."  This is the final 10% of Dorrellistas.
GO BRUINS.

P.S.  This is obviously a joke, but in case any there are any overly sensitive Dorrellista's in the building, just know that I keed, at least sort of...

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Awesome
Great post.

I think it's also worth mentioning that there is some significant cross-breeding amongst the species you mentioned!

"I sleep well at night" -Karl Dorrell

by godblesstyus95 on Oct 1, 2007 9:53 AM PDT reply actions  

These are the same tools
who supported Lavin till the day he was kicked out of Westwood.

by bluestreet on Oct 1, 2007 10:00 AM PDT reply actions  

1. Nitwits; 13. Trojans
And yet, the nitwits claim that those of us who want a coaching change are actually Trojans;  which is in direct conflict with the #13 truism.

That is what makes those nitwits nitwits.

by bluegold on Oct 1, 2007 10:03 AM PDT reply actions  

You may have left out a group
I would call them the Race Card Players: People who only support Dorrell because he is an African American in a prominent position. As such they believe that he should be given every chance to succeed, beyond what any other person would be given. And shame on you if you are against KD: you are a racist!

by tasser10 on Oct 1, 2007 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Right
I should have included that.  I'm actually sort of surprised that I omitted it; particularly since that category of Dorrellista is likely going to grow as the end of his tenure nears.  But, you are exactly right.

by Menelaus on Oct 1, 2007 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's right...
it's a sad commentary regarding American society that the two biggest supporters of KD on BRO have pictures of African American's as their Sig-picture.  I'll also be the first to agree that the lack of minorities in head coaching positions in D-1 football is appalling.  However, that doesn't mean that minority coaches shouldn't be held accountable like everyone else.  And if anything, I'd say KD has already had more than a fair shake at the position....the wins these days seem so hollow.  The only hollowness I can compare it to is how I felt everytime Lavin won a game in the round of 32....you just knew we couldn't be competitive at the next level.

by bornagainbruin on Oct 1, 2007 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great, great post
Hilarious and dead-on accurate at the same time.

This took some work.  Outstanding job.

by Barnes2JJ on Oct 1, 2007 10:13 AM PDT reply actions  

True
I'm not a regular on this board, but try to drop in occasionally to check out the gossip on our bruins.

I'll be the first to say that I want KD out. Just like Lavin. While Lav was our best cheerleader and sold the Kool Aid better than anyone, KD has just looked outright confused. Both are bordering on incompetent at times...

At the same time, I'm gonna stand by the team. As a former Bruin athlete that helped bring us one of our DI titles, it does pain me to see some people wanting to watch the guys crash and burn. I love seeing our guys battle. Davis is a stud and I don't fault him for being pumped that the D shut down a one dimensional OSU team. Our offense left them hanging many times, and to
Walkers credit, the guys played for him.  And I do give credit for the offense sticking with run and putting up over 120yds on an OSU D that was averaging 28 yds against the rush. I've been disappointed by Olson's performances (I can't totally blame KD for all that either, because Cowan DID look better), but even Ben stepped up and made plays, even after that horrible INT.

The Utah game is inexcusable and will be remembered. Hopefully it alone will be enough for a switch at the end of the season... but I still think its premature to say that anything short of a pac10 title is a failure. Realistically, there are few teams in the country that could beat SC, Oregon, and Cal in the same season. We probably aren't there yet... But just because I'm not a fan of KD doesn't mean I'm ready to throw the team under the bus. I will stop my contributions to the athletic dept, until a change is made, but I'm still gonna pull for our guys to win as many as possible. because once a Bruin, always a Bruin.

by northwestbruin on Oct 1, 2007 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Please
Anything short of a Pac-10 will absolutely will be a failure given how this was billed as THE YEAR.

And the idea that somehow competing against SC, Oregon, and Cal in the same reason as not "realistic" is one of the sorriest excuses I have read. Probably the same kind of pathetic losers who celebrated a loss against USC as some kind of "true moral victory."

What a f*&king joke.

by bluestreet on Oct 1, 2007 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?
Well then I guess we'd better take the invitation to the Nut Bowl and stop playing altogether. If we can't beat those three teams and can't win the Pac-10, I really don't see what the point is to continue with the season. Just win a couple more games and head out to whatever other Toilet Bowl that invited us to play Western Kentucky and get our ass handed to us.

We aren't there yet? Well when the F will we be there? 20 returning starters for F's sake! All KD's recruits. It doesn't get easier than this. If we can't beat these teams with seniors who have been in the program for four years, there is no way we will beat them with underclassmen. Please, stop it with the "just wait and see" BS.

No one is throwing the team under the bus. We're just sick of seeing KD bailed out by lucky plays and the other team's incompetence. All we want is for him to be exposed for the fraud that he is, and that will be a very painful time to be a Bruin. You can't rely on luck alone to carry you through the season. And believe me, cleaning up his mess will be atrocious, and yet it will feel like a huge upgrade.

by tasser10 on Oct 1, 2007 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also don't forget
We are not going to have our schedule line up so favorably like we have it this year.

I mean he mentions Cal and Oregon, we have both of those teams at home. We also have ASU at home.

And if we can't beat chump programs like Zona or WSU on the road in Dorrell's money season, it will never happen under him at UCLA.

by bluestreet on Oct 1, 2007 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Washington competed with SC just fine
and fell just a bit short.  On the other hand, UCLA has much better talent than UW, so it IS possible to compete with -- and beat -- SC with the proper coaching and motivation from KD and staff.  Tell Colorado they can't compete with Oklahoma, tell Kansas State, and so on.

KD cannot be let off the hook with the UCLA-is-not-there-yet alibi.  If he's not there yet this year, he ain't never going to get there no matter how many more years he gets.

by bluegold on Oct 1, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo
Your post says it all.

by Barnes2JJ on Oct 1, 2007 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

When then
If we can't compete against SC, Cal, and Oregon this year, when will we?  More excuses.  A few ago we were too young, before that, we didn't have enough talent.  What next!  We've got Cal and OU at home!  We better be competitive, and if our offense plays decent (which is asking alot), maybe we win.  There's no reason UCLA should concede to these schools.

by NickBruin on Oct 1, 2007 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do you guys think?
I think this post is a bit of #8.

I'm definitely going to bookmark this post and use it in response to all Dorrelistas from now on.

by Tydides on Oct 1, 2007 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

8 and 4
yep this post will be referenced often ... as it should be.  This guy definitely has the 8 going for him, but also a little bit of the 4.  
editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Oct 1, 2007 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep
And I like this a lot.  I was just going for a few yucks born of the absurd being a bit too close to reality.  But a short hand may have been born.  Too funny...

by Menelaus on Oct 1, 2007 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's hilarious, but also a bit sad
These characterizations are all so accurate.
Keep Dorrell ~ Mediocrity Rules.

by SuperBruinMan on Oct 1, 2007 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brilliant ...
This is one for the ages.  Epic!!!!
editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Oct 1, 2007 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Outstanding!
Great post!!

It would have me ROFL, if it wasn't so true. :)

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!

by BlueWave on Oct 1, 2007 10:30 AM PDT reply actions  

No Love for KD /but this has to stop
Look, I make no excuses for KD. Quite honestly, I'd give my kidney for Tyrone Willingham to coach UCLA. I grew up in LA, an alum and assistant coached HS football at one time. KD really isn't my ideal coach and I wish we had someone different. But this anti-KD thing is getting old, out of hand and is hurting our cause. Long term, it can be poisonous to our players who might be reading this and think about transfering out. Poisonous to new recruits looking at our football program. I pray that you guys, when out in the real world remember this, we represent something bigger than ourselves. One day, you could be talking to a kid or parent of one that turns out to be one of the greatest atheletes of all time. They turn down UCLA because we were too busy being negative about KD or read about nothing but negative support online! We are all brothers in the same cause, you readers/writers and critics are my teammates in promoting the Blue and Gold. Remember we aren't the only ones reading this stuff, so be respectful of your fellow Bruins who share a different opinion. Don't forget, KD is also a former player and though he's not my #1 choice of a coach, he gave his heart, soul and bled on the field for the golry for the Blue and Gold, please show a little respect.
GO BRUINS!

by chavez1271 on Oct 1, 2007 11:50 AM PDT reply actions  

This is just utter nonsense
If a kid/recruit is too dumb not to understand that we are calling out Dorrell not our football program, then I don't want those kids at UCLA.

If anything that should stop is this kind of dumb comments that should stay in the message boards.

by bluestreet on Oct 1, 2007 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mediocrity is poisonous
Dorrell is responsible for that. Mediocrity is the bad publicity you are referring to ... not some fan website.

... and anyone who states that Willingham is a coach he'd die to have has no credibility.

My vote ... Chavez1271 is a Loyalist.

editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Oct 1, 2007 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exhibit A
Ladies and gentlemen, it's an exciting day for science!  

We have before us a spectacular example of categories 4, 5 and 7, with dashes of 8 & 9.

Behold nature's grandeur.

by Menelaus on Oct 1, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clearly
with this whiners presence in the comments, this list is hitting them a little too close to home. I know you said it was a joke, but this was a great job characterizing and classifying virtually every Dorrelista I've ever come across. I'd say that this list is far more truth than fiction. Good work.

I wonder how chavez feels now that he's clowned himself just by posting under this thread?

by Tydides on Oct 1, 2007 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Makes me sad, actually
I'm not even a fan of the coach and I get bashed for asking everone to play a little nicer since I know of a few Texas recruits that logged on to this site. Are you guys really my compatriots? Are these my fellow Bruin fans? Are you the same people I sit with at the Rose Bowl and tailgate with when I come to town? You trash me for wanting to be less offensive and more contructive in our criticism? Calling me a clown is what I expect from a fair weather SC fan, not a fellow Bruin.
GO BRUINS!

by chavez1271 on Oct 1, 2007 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Note that I didn't CALL you a clown
you clowned yourself by exhibiting the traits described by the list. Given that I do not have any of the traits described on the list, and you do, and the list includes trOJans, it would seem that YOU are closer to the "fair weather SUC fan" than I am.

by Tydides on Oct 1, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

bad spin
dude ... your words are right there for everyone to read. Dont try now to say you said something else. "Lighten up on criticism," though still ridiculous given that Dorrell gets paid $1 Million per year for failure, is different than saying WE are responsible for hurting the future of the program because we write some criticism on a website that oh god recruits read!!! Seriously, look in the mirror. You are not getting it. You are part of the problem.
editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Oct 1, 2007 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

You'll notice
that there is no rebuttal to the actual points made against his original posting. Just whining and trOJan name calling.

by Tydides on Oct 1, 2007 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Guys
We will have another missile from Bruin Blue tomorrow which will be perfect followup to this post.

We are not going back down from calling it as we see it.

by Nestor on Oct 1, 2007 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Out in the Real World"?
Um, many, if not most of us, have been out in the "real world" for many, many years, if not decades.  But thank you for the lecture.

Given this logic, no coach anywhere, no matter how bad, could ever be criticized.  It might "hurt recruiting."  So, we should all just shut up, completely, and hope that Dorrell manages to transform himself from a crappy coach to a good one.  Hey, let's give him another 5 years to try and figure it all out.

Riiiiiight.  The only thing hurting our cause is keeping Dorrell and his Merry Band of Dunces in place a minute longer.  

You want to help restore this program to greatness?  Remove the barrier which is preventing it from happening.  Remove Dorrell and his entire ridiculous staff.  Otherwise, frankly, kids looking to play somewhere would be better off playing somewhere else.  There.  I've said it.

by Barnes2JJ on Oct 1, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and 44-6 isn't poisonous
You fit under so many of the above archetypes that this could only be pure comedy gold.

You're SO WORRIED about someplace ONLINE "poisoning" the program. As if the negative publicity from 44-6 and 66-19 wasn't poisonous to the program ON THE FIELD. As if the constant revolving door of assistants and players thrown under the bus by the incompetent coach wasn't poisonous to the program. Get yourself together, Dorrelista. The list above isn't a list of compliments.

by Tydides on Oct 1, 2007 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

By the way
Larry Farmer and Walt Hazzard won national championships as UCLA players but as coaches they were horrible and were FIRED!!  Playing for UCLA and coaching at UCLA are two different jobs.  In fact, EVERY one of our great coaches in both basketball and football came from OUTSIDE the program (Wooden, Red Sanders, Prothro - had been a UCLA assistant, Pepper Rodgers, Vermeil - had been UCLA assistant for 1 year, Harrick, Howland).
editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Oct 1, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gimmie a break!
SC fans are having a meltdown over their narrow victory against UW.  Hey they won, shouldn't they be happy?  They know if things don't improve, they're tosat this year.  This coming from fans of a program that's literally been on top of the college football world the past 5 to 6 years.  

Bruin fans are tired of mediocrity, that's what this is about.  KD hasn't shown he can take us to the next level.  Why should we just sit back and act like everything's OK.  I'd hate to lose recruits, but I'm also tired of the product we're seeing on the field.

By the way, I'm listening to the cannon's right now on 570.  The topic is the Chargers, and how bad they are.  You think hiring Turner, and letting Shottenheimer go was smart.  What a difference that coaching change has made.  They go from being the best, to being one of the worst.  How sad is that?    

by NickBruin on Oct 1, 2007 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Respect goes both ways
Why doesn't KD show some respect for UCLA and resign?  He is really giving the football program a bad name with the kind of product he is putting onto the field year in and year out.

He already has enough money, a multi-millionaire from the UCLA plum job where he is paid a fat salary from accomplishing nothing of significance.  

Go tell KD to show some respect for our alma mater.  If you go tell DG to fire KD, and then come around here with this post, then your post is worth something.  Otherwise, this is just hot air.

by bluegold on Oct 1, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never, Chavez. NEVER.
I will NEVER stop criticizing this joke of a coach for all the misery he has put us through on Saturdays. I'm only talking in terms of being a UCLA football fan, I would never let a loser like KD affect my mood the rest of the week. He is a cancer. A mediocre, clueless, stubborn and arrogant poser who is stealing money from the state.

I am sick and tired of posts like this one. Your reason for being positive: oh he's a Bruin. Oh it hurts recruiting. Oh his poor feelings. Grow some nuts and stop being a hypocrite. Give us some concrete reasons for being positive, if you have any. We promote the Blue and Gold WAY MORE THAN YOU DO! Where are you when we have posts about how great UCLA is? KARL DORRELL IS NOT UCLA! He is a coach and he is not doing well. Criticizing him is fair game and deserved, and it does not mean we speak ill of UCLA or want bad things for our alma mater. KD has robbed too many kids of a future in football and of glory in college. Saying otherwise is LYING to the recruits, and that is as un-Bruin as it gets.

by tasser10 on Oct 1, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

My Take.........
Here's my two cents: We are a negative bunch on here. We win, yet we still say the "win was meaningless" or the win was "deceptive". That's got to be deflating to the players. They need and deserve our full support. If they lose and play badly, we need to say so. But when they win, they deserve our praise.

Do I think KD is a bad coach? Yes, in the same way that Norv Turner is not a good coach. They're both predictable and make dumb moves. They also fail to make adjustments and there is no excuse for that. Should they both be replaced? Yes, I think so. But let's keep that separate from the players and what it means to be a part of the Bruin Family.

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!

by BlueWave on Oct 1, 2007 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

There is a negative attitude here...
... and it has gotten a bit nasty on this thread (that needs to be avoided).  I tend to look past most of that crap, giving the benefit of the doubt that the reason some of the words look harsh is due to the passion from which it sprang.

That said, I respectfully disagree with the first paragraph of your post.  I believe that we should be supportive of our team when they play to their abilities.  Wins and losses are secondary.  I will praise a solid effort even if it results in a loss, and I will voice my displeasure with poor performance even if it results in a win.

GO BRUINS!

by haywood nighttrain on Oct 1, 2007 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about BO?
I believe we have been very complimentary toward his improved play in the second half against OSU. If things are negative around here, it is merely a reflection of the vibe around the program.

by Tydides on Oct 1, 2007 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blame KD for this devisiveness
I agree the players should deserve praise when they play hard and win.  

When we say the OSU win was deceptive, it is because there will be people who will blow up that win as some magnificient KD accomplishment.  KD himself has already put a rosy spin on that game.  When this joker goes on national TV to declare that he has brought UCLA football back, we cannot let him get away with such gross distortion of the truth.  

If he has the gall to spew out such blatant falsehood, we are forced to be vigilant to make sure the truth gets out there for all to see.  We need to intercept him at the pass.  

We don't have to do this with Howland because he never bends the truth to make himself look good.  KD, on the other hand, is a totally different animal, and we cannot let him run rampant with lies and exaggerations.

KD has brought all this upon himself.

by bluegold on Oct 1, 2007 3:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Good points...
Hey guys,

We're all part of the Bruin Family and families disagree from time to time. That's ok, so long as we don't forget the fact we are still family.

Personally, I can't wait until Saturday. I plan to get there early and stay late!

I may work with the Waves, but I'm still a Bruin!

by BlueWave on Oct 2, 2007 10:44 AM PDT reply actions  

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