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Bumped from the diaries. This is really great read even though I do not agree with the point that KD was the best option at the time he was hired. He was a result of a faulty hiring process that was farmed out to the incompetent Donahue shill Bob Field. Still some great points here about how DG might have been building the foundation for the next HC. I still believe in a happy ending to this mess. If I didn't I wouldn't spend the precious few time I have time writing about it. Again nice post. GO BRUINS. -N

I have not posted in quite some time, so please forgive me if I make a lot of seemingly unrelated points here, pouring out a lot of thoughts in trying to explain why I think that, for several reasons, we might be allowed more optimism than we have in years past that we will finally be able to make the long-awaited step forward in football coaching.

First of all, when talking about the money UCLA would have to pay for a competitive football coach, I don't think that the coaches' salaries are the only issue to consider.

Two years ago (I think), during the UCLA Spring scrimmage (I think), they also offered tours of the Acosta Center, which includes training rooms (for medical attention); speed, strength, and conditioning rooms (which most of us would simply call weight rooms); meeting rooms (including one large enough for the entire team to meet at once indoors and with theater-style seating, which the guide said had not previously been an option), locker rooms, and other amenities used by not just the football team but the whole UCLA Athletics Department.  During the tour, our guide made what seems to be a very important point that I'm not sure is discussed enough when it comes to discussion about whether or not UCLA would be able to hire a highly regarded football coach.

Several years ago, the story went, UCLA brought in an unnamed but well-regarded coach to interview for a vacant football coaching position, which must mean that it was around the time that Dorrell was also being interviewed.  Some time later, according to the tour guide, word reached the Athletics Department that this coaching candidate had been talking to other people in college football about the dreadful state of UCLA's facilities, which he had compared to a typical high school program.

Thinking back to when I attended UCLA, I remember that the football players used the same weight room in the John Wooden Center that the general student body used.  I don't know where meetings might have been held, or where the trainers worked, or where the football players' lockers were, but I do know that they now have an excellent location in the Acosta Center.  There is now an artificial turf practice field, built since I took that tour, and I've read about newly remodeled locker rooms as well as a couple other improvements to the Rose Bowl for home games for the current season.  While talk is just now finally leading to action on improving Pauley Pavilion, and while we're still waiting for an announcement about major improvement to Jackie Robinson Stadium for baseball, a lot of money has already been poured into football, which makes it seem as though it has remained a priority that the football facilities not remain the laughing-stock they once seem to have been.  [Thank God that we had Howland and Savage to improve those programs without the needed upgrades, because otherwise these would have been five very dismal seasons for those who love UCLA as much as most of the people who are spending the time to read this.]

With the diligent work done toward improving the facilities, the next well-regarded coaching candidate will find that he has the tools he needs, and lack of infrastructure will no longer disqualify us in the minds of the type of coach we might wish to hire.

Also, when it comes to the salary we might be able to pay the next coach, I don't have the specifics in front of me, but unless I'm mistaken, this is a "magic" year.  Shortly before his retirement, Pete Dalis signed both Lavin and Toledo to new contracts that sweetened their buy-outs, handcuffing Dan Guerrero by requiring that both be paid their salary for five years in the event that they were fired, minus whatever other money they were able to make in new jobs.  Don't get me wrong, because I hate almost everything about Steve Lavin, but he did help the Athletics Department by taking a job with ESPN which probably paid him enough money to take him off our payroll immediately.  Bob Toledo, on the other hand, spent most of the next five years after being fired sitting on his couch watching television and collecting his UCLA paycheck, finally taking an assistant coach position in (I think) the fourth year after being fired by UCLA and now, in (I think) the fifth year, a head coaching job.  I'm not sure how much Tulane pays him, but it's possible that we are still supplementing his income.   Even if he does make more than the UCLA minimum in his new job, this is the first year since Toledo was fired that we're not paying, in essence, two football head coaches' salaries.  If Dorrell had been fired after his first season, or his second season, there was no way to know if he, too, would go the "Toledo route", forcing us to pay for two former coaches as well as the current coach.  I don't think that Dorrell will do that when (I refrain from saying "if" out of hope) he is fired after this season, but I'm not the one who is on the hook for the money if I'm wrong, so I can't really fault the Athletics Department for being cautious if this has been the thinking in the Morgan Center.

To finally get to the point, my theory, which was not discouraged by the Athletics Department employee I was once able to corner in a bar and voice it to during a Friday happy hour just outside Westwood, is that throughout the Dorrell era, the Athletics Department has always been thinking toward the next football coaching hire.  It has been clear for quite some time now that Dorrell is not up to the task set before him.  At the time he was hired, I think that Dorrell might have been about as good a coach as UCLA was able to hire given their circumstances, including the facilities and the sweet buy-out deals for Lavin and Toledo.  (Thanks a lot, Pete Dalis!)  Throughout this time, while they can't have honestly been satisfied with the direction of the football program, they have been working on improving the situation in the ways they could while waiting out Bob Toledo's laziness, leading to the point where leaving Karl Dorrell as the caretaker for a program that has been stagnant under his leadership is now, finally, not their only option.

There just might be a happy ending to this story.  Stay tuned in December or January.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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I hope you're right and by the way very
informative post, thanks!

by Dorrellian on Sep 20, 2007 12:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

payouts and facilities
I thought BT's payout was done last year, part of the reason he waited until then to take another head coaching job.

The two schools with the worse FB facilities are Cal and SUC...

by nikeu on Sep 20, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Athletics Department shared...
the same weight room as the students?  That dump wasn't up to 24 Hour Sport standards much less DI athletic standards (it has since been remodeled so I've heard)!  Also, I didn't know that about Lavin.  Props to him.  My first day at UCLA, I saw Steve Lavin walking around in front of Ackerman.  He looked me right in the eye as I passed him and asked a warm, "How are you doing?"  I said fine, and went on my way a warm feeling in my heart.  Say what you will about the guy's coaching, but he was a nice guy and his actions after being fired confirm this.  Bob Toledo, meanwhile, was an asshole.

by bruin8uclap on Sep 20, 2007 2:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know Coach Howland's predecessor
But just remember - Hitler liked dogs.  The fact that CHP was nice to you is insignificant compared to the damage he did to you and your enjoyment of UCLA basketball.

by Fox 71 on Sep 20, 2007 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very True
I had the misfortune of attending UCLA while Bruins Basketball was at its WORST.  Even I was calling for Steve Lavin's head that season.  Those were tough times...

by bruin8uclap on Sep 20, 2007 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's easy for me to take shots
'cause I was there for the good times.  I feel sorry for those of you who missed it.  

by Fox 71 on Sep 20, 2007 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may be on to something here...
... because we've gone through a LOAD of "capital" improvements in the athletic department in recent years.

Morgan Center offices.
Weight tranining facilities.
Rose Bowl locker rooms.
Practice field (albeit late).
Pauley renovation.

Say what you will about the KD situation, but DG has apparently been busting his tail to get improvements done in areas that Dalis hadn't even seemed to glance at in heaven-knows-how-long.

M

WHY NOT US? WHY NOT NOW?

by Meriones on Sep 20, 2007 8:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice post...
although I disagree that Dorrell was the best option at that time. No matter what the financial/facilities situation at the time, it's pretty clear to me that the hiring of Dorrell was driven by other factors (UCLA alum, progressive hiring, "nice/clean" image). I think the problem at the time was simply a faulty/incomplete search process, leading to the "settling" on Dorrell.

I do believe UCLA has the money to hire a competent football coach, but I think the Athletic Department itself has been the #1 factor holding us back. We're now playing catch-up with the other elite programs with regards to facilities/compensation. The Rose Bowl has just recently been marginally renovated. Compared to most elite basketball programs, Pauley Pavilion is dreadfully outdated (hell, even Long Beach State, SDSU, $C have cutting-edge b-ball facilities). On top of that, we're still behind most elite programs in coaches salaries. I'm also not sure if I've ever seen an Athletic Department do a worse job of promoting their programs. This, and the fact that the AD seems to be doing a lackluster job of raising money through the enormous UCLA alumni network is simply mind-boggling. IIRC, I believe the AD has traditionally run in the red.

Luckily, it does appear that DG is making some moves to get UCLA competitive again, and I don't think DG will make the same mistake again when hiring the next coach. I'm certain by now he knows next head coach MUST have a proven track record.

by norcalbruin95 on Sep 20, 2007 9:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

fund raising....
UCLA completed the most successful fund raising effort in higher education history by raising $3 BILLION (yes that's billion with a B) in 2005.  it is the fund raising that finally gave the green light to the pauley and rose bowl renovations.
Dustball!

by dustball on Sep 20, 2007 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe you are referrring...
to "Campaign UCLA", which primarily benefited the academic programs. I'm mostly referring to fund-raising and subsequent promotional activities specifically attributed to the Morgan Center. If I recall correctly, they've traditionally been running in the red. They're not raising enough money to support their programs, and they're definitely not doing enough with the money they have.

This basically comes down to money. UCLA athletics is a product, and as such, our "marketing" dept. needs to be revamped to bring in more money and improve the image of our "products".

by norcalbruin95 on Sep 21, 2007 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really great points made...
... we're all so upset we say the same thing over and over again (myself included), but this was a really cogent analysis of our Athletic Department budget. Good stuff.

Now let's execute and get rid of our scrub of a coach to bring in Steve Mariucci, who only had a cup of coffee in CFB before taking the money. I think his 'rah-rah' approach will work well with younger CFB players instead of the jaded-NFL types.

by uclaike on Sep 20, 2007 10:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Regarding Lavin's $$$$....
I believe, but it's just a belief, that salaries deducted from a UCLA payckeck are only for "other basketball" positions.  I am pretty sure that his ESPN cash is not deducted from his salary.  In essence, I think that snake is getting two salaries.  I also think buy-outs are kind of weird.  I think the coaches agree to be paid less per year, for a longer period of years.  Again, I'm not sure, does anyone know for sure???
Go Bruins, Go Howland, F-Lavin, and let's get rid of Dorrell....

by BruinManDan97 on Sep 20, 2007 10:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting read
I was thinking to myself. We all know money talks, and an email of fustrasion to DG, or the Athletic Department might not mean much. But maybe a little petition from  BN based on facts of dollars they would lose from season ticket holders like myself that will not renew if KD stays might open some eyes. I have a feeling collectively it might be quite a bit. I'll start with the money they won't get from me.

$1,000.00

anybody else?

by wizardofoc on Sep 20, 2007 1:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

When UCLA sent me solicitation letters
back in the Lavin days, I would sent the letter back along with a short note:  Please have the chancellor get rid of Lavin first, and then we'll talk.

by bluegold on Sep 20, 2007 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you...
They won't be getting my alumni donation or ticket payment next season either.

$1000.00 at a minimum.

Not to mention, I won't be at either scrimmage, "Breakfast with the Bruins", nor will I buy any football related apparel until he is gone.  Karl hooked me after the breakfast and I went on a shopping spree in Ackerman just before the scrimmage.  Not sure if they lose the money that I spend at the Rose Bowl, including, parking, water, frozen lemonades, ice cream, funnel cakes, nachos, etc...but they won't be getting any of that either.  I've been embarrassed to wear any of the plethora of UCLA shirts, shorts, hats, sandals that I own...and I took down the UCLA flag in front of my home because of this past Saturday.  Thanks Karl, but I guess I'm the idiot who was tricked...again.

by meow meow on Sep 20, 2007 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buyouts
It seems he got a buyout of $578,000 (his full salary) and 4 years at his base salary of $153,000. Of course, he supplemented his income with that ESPN gig and stiffing his wedding guests.

http://uclabruins.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/031703aaa.html

It seems Bob Toledo had the same buyout except at 5 years base salary instead of 4. Same salary figures too. Looking at the article and seeing the rumored and eventual hiring candidates and hire, it gets more depressing. It would've been nice to have Iowa's Kirk Ferentz.

http://www.dailybruin.com/news/2002/dec/10/toledo-fired-two-days-after-lo/

Freakin' Karlavin...

by UCLA4Life on Sep 21, 2007 3:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just read the link about Toledo....
and looking at the quotes from Guerrero, it's astonishing at how miserable a failure the coaching search became.  I would have rather had any other candidate on his list.  And secondly, as we have all learned, Dorrell has failed miserably at the outline/goals Guerrero made for the future of the program.  Somebody fire this guy please....
Go Bruins, Go Howland, F-Lavin, and let's get rid of Dorrell....

by BruinManDan97 on Sep 21, 2007 12:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Possible Coaches
Here's my list in order of preference:
  1. Terry Bowden (Just heard this possibility today and thought it was genius. Proven winner. Won a championship at Auburn and desires to get back into coaching and leave the broadcasting booth as long as it is the right situation)
  2. Steve Mariucci - west coast connection
  3. Rick Neuheisel - UCLA connection

by uclabruinn on Sep 21, 2007 2:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Horrible terms
We all knew the rollover contract terms for Lavin and Toledo were horrible and DG got burned his first year for that.  With that said, why did we do the same with Dorrell?

by ytumamatambien on Sep 21, 2007 3:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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