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It looks like you all have done an awesome job of articulating what has been going through my head after watching last night's ugly win. Please keep the posts coming guys. Your thoughts give all of us sanity as we wade through some of the nonsense we read through the MSM every day wrt to UCLA football.

As expected players and coaches' quotes have shown up all over the local players, blowing up another meaningless win over a pathetic lower tier Pac-10 program that UCLA should cream 9 out of 10 times.

Anyone who watched that game last night knows what an ugly performance it was until when Oregon State decided to self destruct in spectacular fashion in the fourth quarter. Dohn to his credit called the 40-14 score "deceptive" aptly describing how the Beavers gift wrapped a UCLA win:

Breazell turned the game with his catch, breaking of a tackle and running, but Oregon State (2-3, 0-2) placed the pretty blue and gold bow on the win with its inability to handle a rudimentary kickoff.

After Breazell's touchdown, Oregon State's Gerard Lawson fumbled the kickoff and Matt Slater fell on it.

"The ball was just laying there," Slater said. "I couldn't believe he didn't make an attempt to get back on it, or nobody else was there to get on it. I just hopped on it, and it was like, `Happy birthday.' It was just sitting there."

Three plays later Kahlil Bell, who fumbled on UCLA's first two offensive plays (the second of which was returned 33 yards by Al Afalava for a touchdown), finished the drive with a 4-yard run to give UCLA a 26-14 lead.

Lawson then fumbled on the next kickoff, which was recovered by Rodney Van on Oregon State's 39. After four Chris Markey runs, Olson connected with Breazell for a 30-yard score.

"We came through when it mattered the most, and that's the most important thing," Olson said. "We just wore them down, plain and simple. Out there at the end, we were playing harder than they were."

In 2 minutes, 45 seconds, UCLA scored 21 points and turned a 14-12 offensive mess into a 33-14 lead, which made it seem ancillary the Bruins didn't have a first down until the 8:35 mark of the second quarter.

The Beavers demonstrated losing last week's 19-0 lead at Arizona State wasn't a one-time trick.
Yet it didn't stop the players from blowing up this win:
`'This is the most hostile territory I think I've been in and just to hear 45,000 people just shut up instantly is the most amazing feeling,'' defensive end Bruce Davis said.
First of all it looked a environment from JC game where the home team couldn't actually fill out its 45,000 capacity stadium. Per the official attendance figure 41,137 not 45,000 bought ticket for that game, and the way stadium looked on television, I wonder if the actual attendance figure broke 40,000. Yet there was Davis and Brown (who to his credit did his job in terrorizing the arguable the worst quarterback in the Pac-10) weren't shy about painting what should be a routine victory for a Pac-10 championship caliber team into a "huge" one. Whatever.

These guys were probably taking their cue from their overhyped coordinator who also didn't waste any time in taking credit for this deceptive win:
"We really talked about redeveloping this defense," coordinator DeWayne Walker said. "There was talk about all the starters we had coming back. The first four weeks didn't look right. We challenged some guys, put the heat on guys, and they responded."
Uh yeah. So Walker is talking about his players responding 4 games into the season against a team UCLA dominates no matter who is the DC. We will see what kind of soundbites he comes up after the games against Cal and Oregon, teams that will come at us with vaunted spread Os, which he still hasn't shown any ability to solve.

Also worth noting from Dohn's article linked above:
"A little birdie told us they were going to try and establish the run," UCLA defensive coordinator DeWayne Walker said. "We knew they wanted to try and protect the quarterback a little bit. They like to throw the ball a little bit, but I think they tried to take a little heat off him."
Not exactly what he means by "little birdie," but I bet the SID from Corvallis might want to look that into a little more.

In any event, I think it will be foolish to take too much out of this defensive performance and the one we will surely see this coming Saturday, when our defense will expectedly pulverize a pathetic Irish games. Again these performances will mean nothing if they all get blown up by the offenses designed by Tedford and Bellotti.

Meanwhile, DeWayne's boss is nowhere to be found in LA area papers today. Its really weird. I have not see any major quotes from the Sleeping Beauty in any of the main LA papers this morning (if I have missed something please share them in this thread). However, what I did find was this usual satiric piece from Simers meant to agitate the Dorrell critics - that's us. I think Simes is trying to make the point that Dorrell is not out there making the plays or botching them, but missed the central point that it was a Dorrell led team that came out looking unprepared, not focused, looking hapless against a team they are supposed to dominate if the players performed up to their potential. Simers then went on to provide a disturbing quote from Guerrero:
"You could sense the confidence of the whole team; it was one of those games where you needed great technical and motivational halftime adjustments," said UCLA Athletic Director Dan Guerrero, who had the choice of Riley or Dorrell. "Clearly our defense responded, and then finally we hit the home run."
OK, so you've got to worry about a former baseball player charged with the task of hiring a football coach and not understanding how the scoring works in the game, but right now up here in this Halloween outpost they would argue he got it right.

Uhm I am not sure how else to interpret that remark except that it totally misrepresents what actually happened in the game. The fact is of Oregon State had a competent QB and average special teams, they would have gone up with a bigger lead and put the game away by the beginning for the fourth quarter.

I am not sure what "confidence" DG is referring to but it is certainly not the "confidence" we see in a Ben Howland coached team, which imposes its will on the opposing team on the road during crunch time. There was nothing about last night's performance that gives any of us "confidence." To suggest such is a deep insult to the intelligence of the UCLA football community that follows this program on a day to day basis.

I do want to reiterate couple of positive notes in this roundup, which is to give huge props to Brandon Breazell and Ben Olson. Breazell has been amazing. And as Dorrelian noted early this am, Olson showed a lot yesterday. Despite being handcuffed by early turnovers, undisciplined, poorly coached OL that was killing drives, and providing him with no protection, he hung in there, took his shots, and came up with the win. And Oregon State's defense is a little better than Washington's defense that embarrassed itself at the Rose Bowl (before playing inspired against the Trojans).

Anyways, we are 4-1 on our way to 5-1. Then again as we have pointed out to before to celebrate this kind of "good start" as sign of progress in Dorrells program is nothing less than being in a state of denial. In last 4 years Dorrell's teams have started with a record of 4-2, 4-2, 6-0, and 4-2 only to fold and underachieve in the usual Dorrellian fashion every season. So to get excited about this deceptive 5-1 team after next weekend's destruction of Notre Dame, would not only be foolish but also ignorant given the Sleeping Beauty's mediocre track record in Westwood.

GO BRUINS.

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If you are a KD supporter
there is no such thing as a deceptive win or a bad win.  You take any win you can get and celebrate it.   Shoot, they even counted a close LOSS to SC as some kind of a win a couple of years ago.

by bluegold on Sep 30, 2007 10:16 AM PDT reply actions  

We won
because OSU literally gave the game away.  Otherwise, that ugly game, between two bad teams, comes down to the wire.

On a side note, TJ Simers in the LAT wimped out again today in a glowing defense of Dorrell.  Simers has spent the better part of 5 years bashing Dorrell (or "Dullard" in his columns) but now, the kid gloves are back on and Dorrell can do no wrong.

Thanks a lot TJ.  Just when we needed someone with a critical eye, TJ takes a dive for the worst coach in college football.

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 30, 2007 10:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Anyone watch
the Bruins Football related shows on FSN, usually headed by Billy McDonald and this other guy.  They host a Monday show in conjunction with Dorrell's press conference.  I have seen them like every week at the same time filming right outside of Pauley.

Reason I am asking is because they probably are seen by more people than those who would read Simers columns.  If they criticize Dorrell, that would be better for BN's cause.

by Steven on Sep 30, 2007 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

They won't criticize
Morons like McDonald (who is a Trojan by the way) never criticized Lavin. They have neither the intellectual capacity nor the balls to criticize KD. Those clowns are worthless.

by Nestor on Sep 30, 2007 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Simers
Always takes a contrarian view anyway... it's part of his schtick. His column (which I actually enjoy) is always based on stirring the hornets nest by making outlandish statements. Nothing new there.

by Fedup on Sep 30, 2007 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeap
Agreed re. Simers.

I don't bother getting worked up over his pov.

But I did find the DG comments very weird and almost insincere. It came across as comments from a man who doesn't understand football.  But then again who knows. Maybe he is trying to play coy.

All I know if Dorrell doesn't win the Pac-10, he needs to go.

by Nestor on Sep 30, 2007 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, or he's just covering his flank...
It sorta reminds me of the years of having to listen to Pete Dalis's insincere ramblings justifying how he could fiddle while Westwood burned.

by Fedup on Sep 30, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fiddling while Westwood is Burning
will be the theme if he doesn't fire this clown in case he fails to win the Pac-10 this season.

by Nestor on Sep 30, 2007 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Simers
Yeah no kidding.

"At every turn this was a game the Bruins should not have won what with all that went wrong, but the final score is all that counts, and Dorrell went with field position, better athletes on special teams..."

So it's Dorrell's coaching skill that made OSU lose two returns in a row?  No kidding he went with "field position".

And let me guess, those two consecutive offsides penalties weren't KD's fault though, just a random fluke.

by Linguica on Sep 30, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Guerrero quote disappointing
the only positive is that he said, "we FINALLY hit  a home run."  Let's hope that is the better indicator of his true position than the rest of the quote .. "great technical and motivational halftime adjustments???" WTF??
editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Sep 30, 2007 10:57 AM PDT reply actions  

The situation will get critical!
After next week when destroy 0-5 Notre Dame the talk is going to get hyper again ... there are already posts on several sites talking of a shot at a national championship ... still!! Imagine what we will be hearing next week.

When Dorrell starts the inevitable late season collapse (when we play REAL teams with good coaches) we have to do everything in our power to put pressure on Guerrero and the administration. Look at what we are up against!!  We cannot let this season slip away if Dorrell blows it.  Next year he already has his "rebuilding year" get out of jail free card.  We have to make it happen this year!

editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Sep 30, 2007 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

If DG keeps Dorrell around
in case Dorrell doesn't win the Pac-10 championship, we will make his life as miserable as we have made it for Dorrell.

It will destroy his credibility as the leader of UCLA's athletic program. It will make him look like a fools.

If Dorrell doesn't win the Pac-10 championship, DG needs to fire him. Period.

by Nestor on Sep 30, 2007 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel the Hot Seat
warming up again after our first loss. Which will probably come against Arizona State and not Cal, Oregon, and SuC. Although, we'll probably lose those games too. I swear, every game I find myself in a struggle. I don't know whether to root for our team or the opponents. The bruin inside of me just can't accept losing. However, even more important to me is long term success. The only way to have that is by getting rid of Dorrell and bringing in a real coach. Damn it Dorrelll! Why can't you just change your rediculous offensive approach so I don't have to root against our team? THIS is why Dorrell needs to go! He's turned us against ourselves :-(

by OutOThsWrld on Sep 30, 2007 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Keep in mind
The record of UCLA's first 6 opponents is 10-19. The record of last six? 22-7.

We will see what kind of time we have starting against Cal.

And yes if this is supposed to be the "Show Me Season" for the Sleeping Beauty, I expect a throttling of the Bears at the Rose Bowl.

by Nestor on Sep 30, 2007 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

second half opponents
We have 4 currently ranked teams in the second half of the schedule: @#2 southern cal, #3 Cal, #14 Oregon, #18 ASU.

by bruinhoo on Sep 30, 2007 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

KD down to #41 on Coaches Hotseat rankings
Every win, regardless of how ugly or meaningless, pushes him further away from the top rankings on the Coaches Hotseat site.  Rily and Willingham are now ranked higher--in the 30's.  DG's quote was scary, maybe he should leave the ignorant soundbites to KD for the balance of the season.

by SinnerBoy 99 on Oct 1, 2007 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is an EXCELLENT point...
Where's tht stat been in all the newspapers?

by Fedup on Sep 30, 2007 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

don't worry, the first 6 games are cake
KD will be judged on the last 6, and unless a miracle occurs, he will be lucky to be better than 2-4 in his last 6.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Sep 30, 2007 11:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeap
See my point upthread.

by Nestor on Sep 30, 2007 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

AP rankings just came out...
As we predicted last night, SUC's slop in Seattle cost them their first place ranking (albeit by a few points). And the result of our resounding effort? We dropped one place in the 'others receiving votes' column... hmmmm looks like the voters weren't impressed by the final score either.

by Fedup on Sep 30, 2007 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

25th in USA Today Poll
Hopefully, our team won't get all "big headed" after seeing that we are now ranked 25th in USA Today.  I mean, teams just tremble when ol' No. 25 rolls into town.

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 30, 2007 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Thinker's program
is so awesome it cannot generate enough interest to fill a 45,000 seat stadium at Corvallis.

by Nestor on Sep 30, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

But I could see the t-shirt already...
Front: "#25 and Rolling"

Back: "Proud to be an 'Other Receiving Votes'"

by Fedup on Sep 30, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good point
Frankly, both OSU and UCLA play unimaginative, boring and uninspired football.  I don't blame the crowd for staying away.

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 30, 2007 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep... and we can't even blame the weather
Since Corvallis is practically underwater most of the time.

by Fedup on Sep 30, 2007 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Saturday LAT run up says it all
The LAT announced, correctly, that two games in Oregon on Saturday were featured. The first was between two top tier PAC-10 opponents and that game was in Eugene. The other was between also-rans and was being played in Corvallis. Enough said before and after the game. KD didn't speak up because in his Football for Dummies book, he found that when you play sxxxxx, escape with a win that was handed to you over and over again during the game, keep quiet.
Bill
BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on Sep 30, 2007 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

For anyone old enough to remember
or for anyone with a decent knowledge of rock music history, how about The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again" as the theme for this season?

I think it fits perfectly.

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 30, 2007 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeap
That will be one of our Friday night videos at some point this season.

by Nestor on Sep 30, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The change it had to come
We knew it all along

good choice ... the Who ... exactly what I thought when I heard this Karl Dorrell took over as head coach. Who??

editor, DumpDorrell.com ... formerly posted as DumpDorrell

by BruinCore on Sep 30, 2007 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

DG comments are meaningless
As long as Karl Dorrell is under contract, DG has to keep making positive statements. Doing anything else  would be counterproductive.  There are still 4 home games left and the athletic department has to keep the illusion going to keep fans coming to games at the Rose Bowl. Football  revenues help pay for lots of other sports and the ND and Cal games need to be big "pay days".

by MarcoTheBruin on Sep 30, 2007 2:44 PM PDT reply actions  

DG Has an Alternative
He can fire KD, now!

Posted by one geezer on behalf of the other geezer, Fox, who is on a cruise.

Even with the mad cow's, it seems clear to me that we are not moving in the right direction, that we are going in circles, not turning corners, that our work in progress is not making progress and that we are asleep at the wheel.

The Solution? An interim coach and a first class search for the next head coach.

Fox, this one's for you.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Sep 30, 2007 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Guerrero is too gutless to make a move
in midseason...and unfortunate, maybe even postseason no matter what KD's record will be.

by bluegold on Sep 30, 2007 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Simers' comments
may well be just an attempt to provoke some heated responses. After all, that's pretty much what he does for a living. But I also have heard him express the idea that bloggers and such are poorly qualified to have opinions, much less express them. So it may be that he is reluctant to be seen as agreeing with BN. But Guerrero, it seems to me, went a lot further than he had to, and that is worrisome.

Well, let's see how good we can make the Irish look.

by Oldguy on Sep 30, 2007 5:16 PM PDT reply actions  

OT--very early odds
Some very, very early odds I found on some random website:

UCLA -22 over ND.

SuC -40 (!) over Stanford.

Comments anyone?

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 30, 2007 7:08 PM PDT reply actions  

The latter is a little over the top
Stanford put up a bit of a fight against Oregon.
Keep Dorrell ~ Mediocrity Rules.

by SuperBruinMan on Sep 30, 2007 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

But
Stanford just lost, at home, to ASU by 38.  SuC is likely better than ASU and it's at the Mausoleum.

I think Stanford is going to get creamed.  SuC is likely going to take out some frustrations on these guys after squeaking one out against Washington.

by Barnes2JJ on Sep 30, 2007 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

And don't forget about the comments
made by Stanford's Coach regarding PC.  I'm sure PC wants to see a serious thumping.

by bornagainbruin on Oct 1, 2007 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Take Notre Dame and the points
22 is too many. Purdue had a similar spread at home and couldn't cover, and based on what I've seen so far, Purdue is a much better team than we are.

Prediction: UCLA 27 Notre Dame 20.

"I sleep well at night" -Karl Dorrell

by godblesstyus95 on Sep 30, 2007 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

ND is not likely to go 0 for 2007
Their best chance just might be against a KD team.

by bluegold on Sep 30, 2007 7:44 PM PDT reply actions  

And don't forget
Arizona looks like it may be getting its sheiste together. If Tuitama can lean the offense well, run the spread, we are going to struggle against them. Not sure how good or bad Wazzu is, but Zona put up quite a few points on them...

by tasser10 on Oct 1, 2007 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

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