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Stanford: First Look

Now that UCLA has a good football coach, and Coach Howland's program is cruising along as one of the elite programs in the country, leave it to the village idiot local "reporters" to come up with some garbage to stir up our basketball paradise. Instead of worrying about the muck coming out of talk radio (thanks to those who are keeping track of that muck so we don't have to), we should all be very concerned about how our boys are going to perform at Maples Pavilion tomorrow night.

To say I am a little worried about tomorrow night's game would be an understatement. I believe Coach Howland is only 1-3 in Palo Alto. Spearheaded by Jordan and AA, we had a great win up there two years ago that clinched Howland's first Pac-10 championship, but we followed that up with a horrific loss up there last year, when we blew a double digit lead at half time. Yes, that was the game when many of us were feeling "comfortable."

Well, tomorrow night is going to be an all out battle. Stanford is 11-1. They are coming into tomorrow night's game after taking out Fresno State over the New Year's Day weekend, in which Brook Lopez notched 19 pts and 12 boards. That was BL's 3rd game of this season after missing the first 9 due to academic issues.

The boys in our front court will have their hands full tomorrow. As Sportsline.com notes, `even without Brook Lopez for the first nine games, the Cardinal was the Pac-10 leader in rebounding margin at plus-13.5 per game'.

Here is a quick look at Stanford rotation:

PLAYER ROTATION
Usual Starters -- F Lawrence Hill, F Fred Washington, C Robin Lopez, G Mitch Johnson, G Anthony Goods. Key Subs -- F Brook Lopez; F Taj Finger; G Landry Fields; G Drew Shiller.
And some relevant notes re their roster:
ROSTER REPORT
Fred Washington obviously is a fast healer. The senior wing missed just one game after undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery during the club's two-week break for final exams. He returned to contribute five points and three rebounds in 16 minutes off the bench in the Cardinal's win over Texas Tech.

- Senior forward Taj Finger, starting in Washington's place, had 10 points and 11 rebounds against Santa Clara, then eight points and five boards vs. Texas Tech. Finger was averaging 10.0 ppg and 7.0 rpg over four games headed into the nonconference finale vs. Fresno State.

-- Lawrence Hill's inconsistent junior season took another downward turn with his 1-for-7 shooting effort in the win vs. Texas Tech. The Cardinal's top scorer a year ago at 15.2 ppg, Hill was averaging 10.2 through 11 games this season and had four different games where he scored no more than one basket.
Well, I am not sure what to make of that note on Hill. If you guys can recall, he absolutely killed us up front last year at Maples, leading the Stanford squad with 22 points. He, along with Anthony Goods (20 pts), led the charge in the second half, in which the Cardinal outscored us by 19 points.

Another thing to remember in that game was that the Cardinal dominated the Bruins on the boards, out-rebounding us by a 33-24 (although we had more offensive rebounds (12-11)). The Bruins also went to the free throw line only 15 times (9 for 15), while the Cardinal were a staggering 22 for 33 from the charity line.

Is it going to be different this year? Well, I think there are few x-factors for tomorrow night.

The presence of Kevin Love. All eyes are going to be on the match-up between KL and Brook Lopez. While on the defensive side Luc, Mata, and AA2 will have to play huge roles going up against the front court of Lopez, Washington, and Hill. We mentioned earlier today how Luc's production around the boards went up since the insertion of Roll in the lineup. Now that Roll is gone for a while, kids like Stanback and Dragovic will have to step up into a pressure situation and make some key shots, giving everything they can by playing smart basketball while giving an out effort in the department of hustle and intensity. Last year Stanford beat us in the second half with their hustle and intensity. We can't afford to go through the same routine and come out flat tomorrow or turn it off after coming out strong in the first half.

While the front court battle is going to be the main story, I think another key is going to who is going to match up against Anthony Goods in the back court. Given how Westbrook has been drawing the key defensive assignments on the back court, I'd imagine Howland will probably have him match up against the guy who was the key catalyst for Stanford's rally against the Bruins last season.  I think this will be huge. If RW, DC and Shipp will have to exert ferocious pressure on the back court, making their guards work in every possession, and completely disrupt their rhythm as they bring the ball up. We are going to have to rotate well, without giving those guys any open looks from the three, and then if we can combine that with some ferocious interior defense, making sure to deny them opportunities for second chance points, we will be in good shape.

We will have to be smart on the offensive side, making sure we capitalize on every break opportunity (which means no wild passes - I am looking at you AA2), putting a premium on crisper passing, and, yes, look for Love down low. Obviously, I don't buy any of the garbage we heard earlier today. If there was anything to that kind of nonsense, Coach Howland would have put a stop to it a long time ago.

For you number/stat geeks, for more on the Cardinal go here.

Tomorrow night's game is going to be a tough battle. Of course, I expect us to win every game. However, more importantly for tomorrow night, I am hoping we can see a team that comes out with the same kind of fire and tenacity we have seen from it during the tourney season. Speaking of which, the Madness clock is on.

Yeah, it is time to get serious about Ben Ball.

GO BRUINS.

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I HATE STANFORD!
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Precisely for the reasons you ascribe. We end up going up to their B.O. Barn II and get jobbed with all of those elitist snob students and that idiot band. (C'mon, play some real music, won't you? And no more of that tedious "It's All Right Now" fercrissakes, the 70s have been over for decades!) That incredible 15-point fade several years ago is hard to erase from most Bruins' memories.

Man, I hate these guys!

They also look at this game as more than an opportunity to take us down a notch, according to John Wilner:

As things stand, 36 hours hours before tipoff against UCLA, the Cardinal has a non-conference strength-of-schedule ranked No. 201. Its best win is over either Texas Tech (No. 86) or UC-Santa Barbara (Big West) -- take your choice, and it's not a good one.

In the eyes of the NCAA selection committee, the weak non-conference SOS and lack of quality victories are more important than the 11-1 record.

Stanford needs a handful of quality Pac-10 wins, including one or two on the road, to bolster its resume.

If it gets swept by UCLA, Washington State and Arizona, for example, then even a 20-win season might not be enough to propel the Cardinal into the NCAAs.

The same is true if its only road wins are over ASU, Washington and Oregon State.

Stanford must do enough in the Pac-10 that there's no doubt on Selection weekend that it belongs in the NCAAs.


If they're going to do it to us, then it'll have to be in their house; get ready.

Also, piece of trivia: Are the Lopez twins the only set of twins to play for Stanford? The answer, of course, would be no. The more diminutive Doug and Don Clemenson played for the Injuns (stick that in your PC wheelhouse, Stanford!) in the late 50s and early 60s..

..but, everyone knows that, don't they?

by whp68 on Jan 2, 2008 5:45 PM PST reply actions  

Gee, you don't have to go back that far
The Collins twins (Jarron and Jason) played down low for the Trees from 1998-2001.

Of course, the Collins twins are also the answer to the trivia question:

Who were the UCLA recruiting targets who were at the dinner where Jim Harrick submitted a false expense report that became the stated cause for his being fired as the head coach of UCLA's basketball team.

by BruinsRule on Jan 2, 2008 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

CARDINAL.
Not Cardinals.

by classof05 on Jan 2, 2008 5:46 PM PST reply actions  

Wow
You took the time to sign up, and make your very first comment about.... Cardinal v. Cardinals.  Impressive.

by Menelaus on Jan 2, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

And anyway
It's the Indians.  Not Indian.  Indians.

by Fox 71 on Jan 2, 2008 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a credibility issue, don't you think?
And while I'm at it it's Brook (not Brooks) Lopez and Stanback (not Stanbeck).

by classof05 on Jan 2, 2008 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

No
It's nitpicking typos by an ungrateful SOB who doesn't realize that the people who do this do so in their precious spare time, in the few moments away from work, family and friends.  Stop being such a tool.

by Menelaus on Jan 3, 2008 4:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Well...
If you're going to go out there and register the domain name BRUINSNATION.COM, which would presumably represent said "bruins nation" (our alma mater), try not to make us look bad. You all chose to represent us through this website, so try not to resort to the whole self-pity angle.

Also, one time is a typo. Multiple times is flat out an error.

He wasn't being a tool. He was just being right.

by TBrown on Jan 3, 2008 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Big shock
This ID was also created for the exclusive purpose of this single comment.  And it comes from the same place.  Maybe you should create a third ID and make another comment disagreeing with me.  He, er, you, I believe, are being tools.

by Menelaus on Jan 3, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

That's not me.
Sorry to burst your bubble.

by classof05 on Jan 3, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Holy cloning, batman!
It comes from the same place? Hey classof05, get out of my apartment!

...in Brooklyn!

You sure you want to stick with that "we're the same person" bit?

by TBrown on Jan 3, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

So glad you two are making solid contributions

Bitching about missing an "s" isn't douchebaggery at all.

by Tydides on Jan 3, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

My education continues at BN
Ty, thanks to this exchange, I now think I know what a "tool" is.  It's a guy who takes the time to create two ID's to get riled up about a typo so he can comment twice.  And doesn't realize that the mods can tell when that happems/

A "tool."  Yep.  I now understand the concept.    Thanks.

by Fox 71 on Jan 3, 2008 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Um, if the mods had checked...
They'd realize that TB and I were on opposite sides of the country today.

But whatever, we beat the Cardinals!

by classof05 on Jan 4, 2008 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Anyway, let me clarify...
I didn't come here to start a lengthy fight or get in a juvenile name-calling war. I've been reading this site for about a year now I think and never bothered posting because I don't ordinarily come for the discussion. I come for the "gossip" somewhat, but mostly for the links to news sites I don't ordinarily read for a faster source of information than your everyday LA Times.

That said, as TB eloquently put it (and no, I'm not him, but we do know each other IRL), if a website carries the name BruinsNation and has the fairly large readership you guys have, there is some sort of journalistic responsibility to get things right. And I don't doubt that the OP (Nestor) disagrees with that, because his posts were almost immediately edited after the comments. I'm not calling him an idiot or a tool or anything like that; again, that's not what I'm here for.

And as for the sob story about all the free time we're all obviously wasting here bickering over something so petty, we all know this site makes money on advertisements based on web traffic, so I and every other poster on here show our gratitude every time we visit.

We're all on the same team, right folks? GO BRUINS.

by classof05 on Jan 4, 2008 1:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Pardon me...
Should say "doubt that the OP disagrees with that" not "don't doubt"

by classof05 on Jan 4, 2008 1:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Listen
I don't want to waste any more time on this, but a few last things.

This is a blog, run by fans.  The other moderators and myself do this for fun, because we bleed Bruin blue and gold.  We don't have any responsibility, journalistic or otherwise, to you or anyone else.  This is a fan site.  We do the best we can, and we change the things we catch (and I made the changes you noted), but believe me when I say that we don't give a rats ass about "Cardinal" versus "Cardinals."  If that threatens your sensibilities, and makes you question our credibility, so be it.

Also, if you've been reading for a year, you should know by now that we don't make a single penny off of this site.  The ads come from SB Nation, and whatever tiny (and I mean tiny) revenue has been generated, just sits there.  We've consider donating that minuscule amount to the Band or the Den, but believe me, we haven't seen a dime, nor do we intend to.

As for my original post, perhaps I shouldn't said you were acting like a tool, but you'd find that comments like that are much more well received from people who have actively engaged in the community, and not signed up for the exclusive purpose of being Mr. Grammer/Spelling.  If you and your friend are indeed Bruin faithful, and not the occasional Trojan troll that we see periodically, great.  Then we are on the same team, even if your comment lacked tact.

Finally, I did check you IPs, and both you guys come from the same provider in every respect but the IP.  I rightly concluded that you were associated, both by the timings of you sign up, and the content of the comments, though I was wrong in assuming that the second comment came from you while traveling.  My mistake, just like you added an extra "don't" in your comment above.  You see, that kind of thing happens.

by Menelaus on Jan 4, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

here we go
i'm hoping we come out like gangbusters to start the pac 10. no more messing around.

the trees have some tall kids with lopez brothers and hill in the front court. but other than goods i think their backcourt is weak and our guards need to exploit them on both ends.

without roll we have no depth in the backcourt, don't think howland's going to go to drag or stanback. in this game especially since stanford has a lot of height, he might go to bigger lineups with luc at the three more often.

GO BRUINS!

by stephons on Jan 2, 2008 6:15 PM PST reply actions  

Sequence of Events
Steph,

That's what usually happens up there. We get a lead, they catch fire in the second half, start draining threes, go into that insipid zone, we go cold, that dumb-assed band strikes up "It's All Right Now"..

..and I reach for the bottle of Jack.  

by whp68 on Jan 2, 2008 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Perelman confirms
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/bruin/2008/01/roll-out-keefe.html

Also confirming the diagnosis on Mike Roll of a torn plantar fascia, and the expectation that he will miss 3-4 weeks.

by bruinhoo on Jan 2, 2008 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

i don't think its a bad move
i liked the way keefe was playing late last year. i've seen people bash his game a little, but i think he can contribute this year. i actually liked the way he was playing late last year more than aboya. though aboya has provided a lot of defensive energy this year.

i trust howland's move to burn the redshirt. its too bad that keefe missed some easy games the past few weeks to get ready for the pac10.

by stephons on Jan 2, 2008 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

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