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UCLA Skill Position Players In The NFL

I don't think that the NFL draft and making an NFL roster is the only way to measure a college football team or a college football program.

There are very good and very effective college players who -- for whatever reason -- are not cut out for the NFL.

I also don't think that producing NFL level talent is meaningress when assessing a program either. It may not be the be all and end all, but I don't think it's too far afield to suggest that the teams consistently producing pro football players are the best teams, by and large.

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I was watching the Jacksonville Jaguars yesterday on television. One of my kids is a big Jags fan because he followed Maurice Jones-Drew to the NFL. He also likes Marcedes Lewis, of course. And now, he's a fan of the whole team and he likes Fred Taylor and David Garrard and the whole squad.

While we were watching the game, he asked me what other UCLA running backs were in the NFL. (He might have asked because the Jags were momentarily losing and he was looking around for another team. He did put on his MoJoDrew jersey at halftime and Jax ended up beating the Broncos in Denver, so the search for a new team never got going).

The thing is, I couldn't think of a single UCLA running back in the league right now, other than Jones-Drew. That doesn't mean there aren't any -- is DeShaun Foster playing anywhere? -- but it probably means that none of them are getting any significant minutes.

Furthermore, who are the UCLA quarterbacks in the league or for that matter the UCLA wide receivers in the league? Okay, Matthew Slater is on the Patriots, but I really consider him more of a special teams star and he might be playing defense for them anyway.

So, are there any UCLA skill position guys in the NFL other than Maurice Jones-Drew and Marcedes Lewis? If there are, are any making an impact? I mean, I'm not talking about Drew Olson playing for some practice squad, if he even is playing for a practice squad (and Matt Moore doesn't count). I'm talking about guys who get consistent hand offs or balls thrown their way or who are on the two-deep at quarterback.

As far as I can tell, only the two Jaquars are serious impact players in the NFL.

It's a little different on the defensive side of the ball. Depending what game I watch, I'm always hearing UCLA guys called on defense. Ricky Manning, Jr. had a sack yesterday (I was watching the highlights, I think he's with the Rams.) Chris Horton is starting. Jarrad Page was playing for the Chiefs last gime I watched the Chiefs. Brandon Chillar gets his name called. Travis Kirscke is with Pittsburgh, I'm pretty sure. (As an aside, NFL Sunday Ticket is great, but watching parts of ten different games can lead the names to start running together.)

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Instead of using google to find a couple of guys I neglected to mention, consider this:

What does it say about our program that so few of our skill position players are impact players in the NFL?

Even if there are a couple of guys I'm not thinking of, is it safe to say that UCLA is not consistenly producing NFL skill players -- which is another way of saying that UCLA has not really had elite runners, catchers or throwers in recent seasons.

Our star receivers and runners have been at best marginal pros, with a few exceptions that include the two Jags and DeShaun Foster.

Is there something to be gleaned from this observation? Maybe, maybe not.

I realize some will come back to what I wrote at the top, that NFL success is not the definition of a great college player.

But while I accept that, I'd still argue that UCLA has not recently recruited the best of the best athletes at the skill positions and that those we have recruited have not taken their game to the NFL level under the tutelage of our past coaches.

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Let's look at this team.

Are there any skill position players who you see making an impact in the NFL?

With all due respect, no way Kevin Craft looks like a pro quarterback. He's the only qb we really use, so I can't say that any of the others has NFL potential and the one guy you'd have thought would have that potential -- Ben Olson -- has never shown he's that kind of quarterback.

At running back, well I'm no scout but I really don't see Khalil Bell or any of those guys tearing up the league. Aundre Dean does have a great reputation and has been hurt, so maybe he does, but he hasn't shown anything yet.

At receiver, Terrence Austin has been our best guy. He might be a pro, maybe, but I think he's a kick returner before he's a starting receiver. Taylor Embree is playing well, but he's very young -- let's be generous and say he has a chance, but nothing definite. Marcus Everett is coming back hopefully soon, but he doesn't seem much different than all the other receivers we've had here who were semi-pros at best.

(I have to say, I thought Logan Paulsen might have pro potential, but he needed to show it this year -- we'll find out next year, most likely).

Finally,and while I don't want to take this in a whole new direction -- who were the last few offensive lineman from UCLA to make an impact in the pros? Maybe there are some that I'm not thinking of, but I'm just not hearing their names called on Sundays.

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What think you all of this phenomenon or lack thereof?

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Just adding on to this...

I’ve been thinking about this for some time now. We see guys like Craig Bragg, Tab Perry, Brandon Breazell, etc and feel that they could ve NFL quality players. But the fact is, they aren’t. Bragg got drafted and was done after 2 years, while Perry at least stuck around for a while with the Bengals and is currently with Miami. Breazell never really got a shot.

But besides MJD and Lewis, i think the only skill players currently active in the NFL are Perry (Miami) and Foster (49ers). We talk about needing a gamebreaker on offense. This is clear proof that we just haven’t had one on the roster. We had one in MJD, and we had one in Foster – and surprise, they’re in the NFL. We won’t get better until we get FASTER on offense…hopefully that’s what Dean, Knox, Franklin, Moutra, Rosario, etc will help with.

Defense is doing OK I believe. Manning is with the Rams, as mentioned. Page and Horton are both starting and playing very well. Brandon Chillar is doing well, and I’ve heard Havner is getting a shot in Green Bay. Robert Thomas and Dave Ball are also still in the NFL.

On the current team I see ATV and Carter as the potential pros out of the upperclassmen. Harwell is a fringe prospect IMO. ATV could be a first day pick and Carter probably 4th-5th round. But the underclassmen are the most promising prospects on the team. Rahim Moore is a potential 1st rounder, as is Brian Price. Akeem Ayers has the physical ability to get there as well, and we have yet to see athletic freshman such as Aaron Hester and EJ Woods.
On offense, as stated above, I think Dean and Moutra have the best NFL potential – those two have been described as “gamebreakers” by writers and staff alike. Knox also has the speed if he gets the chance. But other than that, I could maybe throw in Rosario and Austin as potential pros, but the cupboard is still pretty bare. On the OLine, I think Savage is the only one with true NFL potential due to his combo of size, speed and strength. As the freshmen develop they could potentially grow into prospects as well.

by bucknellbruin on Oct 13, 2008 2:34 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Junior Taylor ...

never really had a shot either.

Who was the last really good UCLA receiver to be an impact player in the NFL?

Freddie Mitchell?

Barely.

Drew Bennett?

Sure, but he played quarterback at UCLA so I don’t think me fits the paradigm.

Who have been the impact runners in the NFL (besides Foster and Jones-Drew)?

Karim?

He did okay.

I feel like I’m missing someone more recent — but I can’t remember who I’m missing.

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Even if we come up with another name, I think the point is pretty well made:

UCLA has not had great success producing stars at the skill positions on offense (with some exceptions already noted).

And — if you think about it — there are a fair number of Pac 10 players in the NFL right now at the skill positions, they just aren’t Bruins.

(If you think about it — Ben Howland has produced more players with impact potential than the football team has produced and he has only 13 available scholarships. UCLA has had Farmar, Afflalo, Love and Westbrook all taken in the first round in the past three years which seems like more first round picks than the football team has had this decade. And there are at least two first round picks on the basketball roster right now in Holiday and Collison and that doesn’t count Morgan and a few others with first round potential.)

Looking at the football team from this angle, it comes back to recruiting, I believe. We haven’t recruited the studs at the skill positions. We have been really quick to note the dearth of star talent along the offensive line — but our talent the past few years at the skill positions probably wasn’t demonstrably better.

(And if anyone cares to be fair to Karl Dorrell, it’s not like Bob Toledo produced that many more skill position pros than Dorrell did. (Do you give Lewis to Toledo or Dorrell?))

We may need to get better players if we want to compete with the top teams — because the top teams have many more players with pro potential.

Go Bruins

by Achilles on Oct 13, 2008 3:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lewis

goes to Toledo IMO. He had the talent from day 1. Dorrell didn’t get anything extra out of him due to his coaching.

One of the worst things about this is that DeSean Jackson WANTED to be a Bruin…but KD didn’t recruit him. One of the dumbest things I can think KD did i a career full of them. DeSean Jackson – now one of the top 5 rookies in the NFL

Someone not mentioned is Mike Siedman, whose career got off to a promising start before he tore an ACL and never really recovered – which I’m afraid has happened to Raymond Carter. He may never be the same.

by bucknellbruin on Oct 13, 2008 4:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's not write off Raymond yet

Skip Hicks also got badly injured in his freshman year (in a game against Nebraska at the Rose Bowl). It took him 2+ years to come back in full form … and boy he did.

I am not going to write off Carter yet.

by Nestor on Oct 13, 2008 5:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's true

and hopefully you’re right…Carter had some major potential

by bucknellbruin on Oct 13, 2008 6:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you go to the official athletic site

here it lists the bruins playing in all pro sports on active rosters. It lists in addition to ML and MJD, DeShaun, Drew Bennet and Tab Perry among skill position players.

by Give me a B... on Oct 13, 2008 11:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm

You got me thinking. The only “Impact” Bruin in the NFL right now is MoDrew. By “Impact”, I’m talking about somebody that has a following nationally and a guy that is a Stud. Before Mo, you’d probably have to say Troy. Freddie flamed out, DeShaun got riddled with injuries and JJ never did much in the pros. Wow…we really haven’t been producing much skill position players for a while. We can count Ogden who is a 1st ballot HF but he isn’t considered a skill guy. We had some solid defenders in Norton, Jamir, Lake, etc. but nobody like a Merriman or Ray Lewis. I was hoping Robert Thomas would be a beast but it never materialized.

Price is the only guy that looks like a 1st rounder to me. Guys like Dean, Rosario, Rahim, etc. have potential but it is way too early to tell.

Rankings are rankings but prior to KD, Toledo was bringing in some star studded classes that didn’t materialize for various reasons. I’m not sure if it was bad rankings, inability to develop players or just bad talent evaluation. Hopefully the staff starts filling the cupboard with elite talent because without it, we won’t be able to able to get to where we all want this program to be.

by BlueReign on Oct 13, 2008 11:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DeShaun Foster could have been very good

He had a few solid years in spite of injuries. When the Panthers made the Super Bowl he had an important TD run in their NFC Championship Game win.

(The best video of the run I could find)

by SuperBruinMan on Oct 14, 2008 11:55 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

food for thought

couldn’t you make the same argument for usc? aside from reggie bush, carson palmer, lendale white, and steve smith who have they put out that’s making strides in the nfl? and they’ve been dominant in the past few years while we had dorrell… the truth is few players from anywhere make that leap and most of them are from the sec, florida or texas schools

Across The Face

by rb bruin on Oct 15, 2008 2:42 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the thing about SC

they had the talent; it just doesn’t always pan out. Their guys got picked, meaning they had the potential and the talent. Sure, guys like Colbert, Jarrett, Leinart, Williams, etc didn’t/haven’t become stars, but they had the talent to get drafted. UCLA skill guys aren’t even getting picked, which shows a lack of size, speed, or both. Also Dominique Byrd is in that group; he just kept getting himself arrested.

MoJo, Lewis, and Seidman are the only 3 Bruin skill guys drafted on the FIRST DAY in the last 5 years.

Also, SC’s been good lately b/c of their defense and lines. They have one or two flashy skill guys per year, but they dominate in other parts; and look at the NFL.
Tatupu, Polomalu, Mike Patterson, Eric Wright, Deuce Latui, Rivers, etc. They have tons of guys becoming stars on both sides of the ball, unfortunately…

by bucknellbruin on Oct 15, 2008 3:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree with you

somewhat… what i was trying to point out, inarticulately i admit, was that there really wasn’t much of a point to be made in the respect of a dearth of current ucla skill players in the nfl. basically showing that in spite of ucla’s futility in the past few years and sc’s dominance they weren’t too far ahead as far as skilled players making strides in the pros. and in my amateur opinion is more indicative of the immensely deep pool of talent the nfl has to choose from and less so of individual programs

Across The Face

by rb bruin on Oct 15, 2008 11:05 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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