What To Think: Cal Postgame Thread
Not for the first time this season, I truly don't know what to think about this particular team. I know that I like the direction of the program, but the day to day (or even play to play and drive to drive) mood swings are simply confusing. Prior to the game, the final score (41-20 Cal, Box Score Here) might not have sounded all that unusual. At certain times during the game, during one of our 6 3-and-outs, perhaps, the final score would not have sounded unusual. When Cal was piling up disgusting amounts of yards on the ground (234 to 16) or Craft was throwing one of his four picks (2 of which returned for TDs), it seemed like 41-20 was inevitable.
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Yet, this was a one score game through all but the final quarter. Am I supposed to be encouraged about our guys somehow being within striking distance despite what seems like awful numbers going against us? Obviously there's disappointment here, but is the disconnect between the play on the field and the scoreboard throughout most of the game a sign of encouragement or just another reason for frustration?
In any case, I thought it was a pretty good game for the defense, especially Brian Price, and ATV made quite a few good plays by my informal count. Taylor Embree and Dominique Johnson have shown the ability to step up. The rest of the offense, well, we've gone over that before. We were worried near the end that losing the ToP battle early in the game would come back to bite us, and those fears ended up being rational.
We have seen flashes of brilliance from both units this season, the defense a little more than the offense. Can this team pull it together this year? Again, I don't know what to think about that.
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Craft had a bad game
But I don’t think he should be pulled for good. We still have a chance at a bowl, playing teams that we have a better shot of beating. If Craft gives us the best chance of winning, we need to stick with him.
by SuperBruinMan on Oct 25, 2008 5:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This season is pretty much playing out as expected
I didn’t realize how ugly it is to have such a poor performing offensive line, but I expected 4 wins and I think that is about right.
The only complaint I have at this point is our making Craft throw in the pocket as much as we do. I just don’t see him being successful there, particularly with a line that gives up as many sacks as ours. I really think we need to roll him out a lot more.
I am very pleased with the overall effort of the team, and the work the coaching staff is doing. I am confident the team will be better next year then it is this year, and will continue to improve under CRN.
The defense played pretty well today I thought, particularly given the circumstance. The receivers look really good, and our special teams were better today. I think there are some silver linings.
Stay positive bruins, things will get better. Remember Ben Howland had a terrible record his first year too.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on Oct 25, 2008 6:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting really fed up with 4 Int games.
I’m not sure we should pull Craft, because I don’t really see any alternatives. Forcier may or may not be ready, but if he was, he would have won the job already or taken it after one of Craft’s multi Int games.
I have to keep reminding myself how frustrating Howland’s 1st season was in order to stay positive. You can tell the coaching is light years ahead of what it was under the previous regime, you know the recruits see it too, but it’s hard to watch when every loss is a dagger to the heart.
A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden
by MexiBruin on Oct 25, 2008 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No easy way
Personally, I don’t know how to put this in words. I LOVE my BRUINS. It pains me to say that KC is NOT the answer. This is not something that I say easily….really isn’t. I don’t get to go to a lot of games but I’m sure to catch our guys on the tube. KC is doing the best that he can. He has been put in a no lose situation but I honestly think that we need to head into a different direction. I’m not saying that we are to give up on the season but there comes a time when we need to look towards the future. He has gusto but he is not the answer. I sat there today seeing him continually throw picks and other passes that should have been picks. YES, he is not guiding a team with talent oozing throughout the roster and it is not entirely his fault. Maybe the players beg to differ which I respect and totally understand. KC was throwing into double and triple coverage at times. It was not a pretty sight. He didn’t get any help from the run game but he did not help the team by putting us in compromising positions. Man….this is really tough for me to write. I don’t like calling out a player nor do I wish to put the entire burden on one single player. I’m pretty much venting but maybe I shoud just shut the hell up. You feel me? I’m sure you do. I LOVE my BRUINS. Gawd…..I hate this but I gotta get it out off my chest.
As a positive, I was at the tunnel where our guys were heading towards the locker room, a lot of guys were PISSED. Espcially Carter. These guys haven’t given up in any fashion and I can assure you that no matter what the results are the rest of the season, these guys….OUR GUYS….will give it their all. I’m confident of this.
Sigh……maybe I had a little too much to drink and my emotions are getting the best of me. No offense to nobody. I hurt for CRN and our boys. That is all.
Go Bruins!!!!
by BlueReign on Oct 25, 2008 8:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Craft is not the...
answer or a division 1 quarterback. If the opposing teams could catch even half of his errant throws, Craft would have the division 1 record for thrown interceptions. Out of 32 quarters, how many offensive td’s has the Craft led offense scored? I am sure it is in the bottom 1% of division 1 football. Nevertheless, Craft is not the only one to blame. I think we can all agree that KD’s abysmal recruiting that led to the worst offensive line in school history (and that is saying a lot), is as responsible. Given that this season is going nowhere, why not let a Forcier get some experience. Do you really think he would be any more incompetent. Let me say this, I do not blame Craft for his lack of talent. He is a gutty player, just not a division 1 quarterback…
by Gary72 on Oct 25, 2008 8:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep this in mind
Craft is our 3rd string QB. He’s not a Pac 10 quality starter but I’d guess he’s as good or better than the majority of the Pac 10’s third string guys. Throw a 3rd stringer out there without a run game, offensive line that consistently protects for him or receivers that stretch the field consistently and the offense isn’t going to move the ball. For a 3rd string guy, Craft hasn’t been bad considering the play around him.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 25, 2008 8:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Craft hasn't been bad considering the play around him"
I shudder to think what you would define as “bad”. Yes, he is a third stringer and yes the offensive line stinks, and yes, he does not have a healthy PAC 10 level running back, but bad is bad…
by Gary72 on Oct 25, 2008 9:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think most 3rd string QB's in his situation would be better?
Look at Oregon last year when their 3rd string went in. They couldn’t move the ball at all and turned the ball over constantly. That was despite having Jonathan Stewart, Jeremiah Johnson and a lot of other high quality talent around him. Craft led late drives to pick up wins against decent Stanford and Tennessee teams. How many 3rd string QB’s around the country can do that? Some, but not a lot of them. Craft hasn’t been very good, but he’s been better than most 3rd string QB’s with no line, no running game and a lack of explosive receivers.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Oct 25, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the problem is we're Bruins and we remember a certain 5th string QB
from 1992 … the one, the only John Barnes. I mean he only threw for 385 yds vs a 15th ranked ‘SC. So yeah, we’re a tad spoiled.
by Seanny Rotten on Oct 26, 2008 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he's bad
But there’s really no other option. There’s no point going on and on about how much he sucks if there’s no solution.
by SuperBruinMan on Oct 25, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe im wrong
but i believe you HAVE to establish the run at the outset of the game. HAVE to, its ridiculous that guys that have played football their entire lives cant run block or that the RBs cant find the hole (however small it might be). If you run the ball, they gotta bring in that 8th man into the box to support against the run. That opens up the passing game, as you’ll have one-on-ones on the outside. Play action opens up as well as the defense won’t know whether its a run or a pass. Without setting up our run offense, we’re asking a 3rd string QB to throw the ball to keep us in the game, and that obviously didn’t happen today. 16 yards is ridiculous. Thats not even enough to get us 2 first downs…are you kidding? Like i said maybe im wrong, but thats just my opinion.
by uclabruin34 on Oct 25, 2008 9:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's all Craft
A friend of mine told me that he heard the UCLA quarterback kept his eyes locked on the only person he was going to throw to, but then quickly qualified that by saying that he kept his eyes locked on the only person ON HIS TEAM that he was going to throw to. If my non-football friend knows this, then every player on every other team in the league knows this. And if they know it, then Coach Chow knows it. I assume that Coach Chow has worked every drill he can possibly work to fix this, but it doesn’t look like its doing much good. Craft seems to be a big part of the problem at this stage of his career.
But Craft isn’t the whole problem. Not even Peyton Unitas could throw the ball laying flat on his back. Our line has not developed. We got 16 yards rushing. It’s about time that each lineman started taking a little accountability for making our running game look pathetic. Cal was rated 17th in the country in rushing defense coming into the game, but they were giving up 109 yards a game on average. We only got 16 yards. I’ve never played offensive line (or anything else, for that matter), but it seems to me that when you only get 16 yards on the ground that the guy on the other side of the line is beating you basically every time. That’s what some D-II school gets when they get scheduled for a payday game against LSU.
I don’t have any answers. I leave that to the coaches. I think it’s time that each player on the team challenged himself to start doing better.
by Fox 71 on Oct 25, 2008 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we don't have a D1 OL
Reading Gary72’s comment, I’m torn on leaving in Craft or throwing Forcier into the fire. I agree Craft isn’t near the level of a Pac-10 starter. Having said that, I’m not entirely sure if the benefit to Forcier of having four games of experience is worth the cost to Forcier of ending up on his back 30-40 times a game.
uclabruin34, I agree with you on the necessity of establishing the run. This runs into the same problem we would face with putting Forcier in to learn: our OL isn’t performing. We can’t protect the QB – whoever it is – and we can’t start a running game.
I’m not attempting to put down the players currently starting on the OL; I don’t doubt that each is playing his a** off and giving all they have. However, when you start with weak recruiting and then pile on injury problems to the already-weak pool of possible players, it’s not going to end well. I’m watching $C right now. It’s obvious their level of recruiting has been light-years ahead of ours the last few years: Sanchez often has 5-10 seconds to go through his progressions.
by AZBruin on Oct 25, 2008 9:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey all
got to see some of the game today for once, and as stated i guess i was encouraged that we were hanging around amidst the blunders, but the interceptions were just back breakers.
and speaking of remaining positive under a new coaching regime, Navy ran all over SMU racking up 404 rushing yards en route to a 34-7 victory. Navy did not throw one pass. Were slowly reaching the end of what could be another 1 win season.
but I still believe in both my teams, both programs, and both coaches.
that is all from the Lonestar state.
O.A.
by Ollie on Oct 26, 2008 1:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
These are the pains that we must suffer unfortunately
Remember that we cannot expect miracles the first year of the NeuEra. Dont forget the 11-17 record Howland posted in year one. These are not CRNs players. He will get them. CNC will get them. It would be wonderful to come in and get an over .500 year now. We cant expect that. What we can expect is improvement year to year. I love what I see from the freshman out there. The WR’s are for real. Brian Price just a sophomore. Rahim Moore a frosh. Next year there will be more freshman that impress us. 2010 we will be complaining that we are only 7 or 8 in the BCS poll. 2011 we will be preseason top 5. Its coming. Just like basketball. I do believe that this staff will take us back to the Rose Bowl (on new years day) and beyond.
by popopapa on Oct 26, 2008 6:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The engines of any team...
… are in its lines. On offense and defense, all positions are important, but it starts with the lines.
Our O-line is young, green, and battered. As frustrating as Craft can be to coaches and fans alike, one can’t blame him for all of our offensive woes.
With so many injuries to our center-ready players, we’ve had the ball coming at him from willing but not world-beating snappers like a pitching machine set not on ‘fastball’ or ‘slider’ but on ‘Charlie Sheen.’
Craft’s decision-making can stand improvement, but with an overpowered line, his options are often ‘duck’ and ‘cover’ at best, or ‘throw’ and ‘oh (BLEEP)’ at worst.
A powerful O-line can make good RBs great, and make very good QBs into Heisman-winners.
But with no engine, the car won’t go.
By contrast, look at our D-line. Again, there is inexperience. There are injuries. There is learning curve. perfectly reasonable for them to struggle at times, jsut as it is not to be unexpected for our O-line crew.
BUT, with Price and Harwell providing talent and experience in the middle, the complexion changes.
We have a middle push, which forces opposing QBs to adjust… which forces RBs to hesitate… or forces WRs to alter routes to try to work open quicker.
WRs are like missiles. DBs are like interceptors. RBs, LBs — all the so-called “skill” positions are figurative weapons for our weekly contests.
But you still gotta win in the trenches. You have to win ON THE LINES.
M
Meanwhile.
"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008
by Meriones on Oct 26, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great analysis M
Again if you have time, a humble request this to throw this up on the home page (whenever you have a chance). Thanks!
by Nestor on Oct 26, 2008 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When we get a break, we'll be okay...
Good teams make and get the breaks. For us it always seems like 5th and inches. Look at SC last night, the only play I saw all night is 4 and less than an inch, and the sneak is stopped, then turned it off. Every thread that I have read on us is positive, so we’re all patient and know that soon things will change and we’ll pick up that extra inch.
A big thing about SC under NC and us under Homer was that our guys were always wide open. Even when i watched during Spring and Fall workouts, our guys were open, but now KC is always trying to jam it in and the defections are killing us. CRN is dogging him because other guys are open. I wonder what a widescreen view looks like in terms of who is open. Our receivers are too good to throw to just one guy. It will start to work
David Norrie is a Bruin, but is he bad luck? I can’t remember for certain, but aren’t we a flop on ABC with Norrie? Did Norrie do Tennessee? He seems to be getting on CRN for dogging KC as “never seen a coach get so mad at his QB on the sidelines”. If the QB keeps missing the open guy to throw to the safety-valve or to the wrong guy, he should be dogged. To me, Norrie is trying to move up by being non-bias and by criticizing CRN.
Saw Brehaut on TV Friday and there could be something. The kid is a Cade with better passing skills. He is willing to tuck it in and take off and even try to run over someone. His answer to a question was that he would like to win a game by running over someone than passing. Not the best thinking, but the kid has an arm and is not afraid to dish it out. Interesting, both Brehaut and Nunes stand tall in the pocket to the very end and fire the ball, no happy feet. Brehaut was better than Nunes, good job NC and CRN.
Go Bruins!!!
by whittier71 on Oct 26, 2008 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Brehaut has to like his chances of winning the job
given the struggles of Craft. The line has definitely contributed to those struggles, but even when Craft does have time to throw, he seems to lack accuracy and proper decision making, as well as being tentative about throwing deep. Brehaut (so far) doesn’t appear to have any of those issues, although there’s a big difference between high school and college. If he does end up coming to school early, it wouldn’t hurt his chances of winning the job, either. I can’t wait to watch this team get better over the next few years.
by truebruin on Oct 26, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not worried about what Norrie thinks
I’m sure objective viewers who saw how Craft had been playing would not have thought it at all unusual for a coach to chew him out on the sidelines.
by Tydides on Oct 26, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Open Receivers
IIRC, there were two plays yesterday alone where Craft, rolling out, threw it to a receiver about 10 yards downfield when he had Austin seemingly completely alone at least 10-15 yards further downfield. Don’t know if it was there on TV, but from the endzone in the stadium, those plays looked like golden opportunities that Craft didn’t even try to take.
by jaffa on Oct 26, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I don’t think it was possible to see that on TV. There was one play where the camera did a close up on the Cal QB, and stayed there the entire play – even after he threw the ball.
by SuperBruinMan on Oct 27, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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