Forcier or Craft?
The question of the day - and of the last few weeks - is what to do about the quarterback situation. We've all had our moments (including CRN, and probably Chow at some point) of wanting Craft gone. He's made some incredibly bone-headed plays, and hurt us big time against Cal. Yet at the same time, without him under center we probably lose to Tennessee and Stanford. He's led us on two incredible fourth quarter comebacks, and I think all of BN appreciates him and his toughness. Every time we want to bench him, he seems to prove us wrong. That's what's made it so hard to go to Forcier.
Now, I think we can all agree that Craft is a better passer than Forcier. If Forcier was a better passer, he would be the starter due to his mobility. But because of our lack of a running game, it forces Craft to be better than he actually is. When watching teams such as Texas, Oklahoma, etc, do you ever notice how open the receivers are? Sure, Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford and co. are great QB's, but I'm guessing with the time those guys get, and the wide open targets they throw to, KC would put up pretty impressive numbers as well.
But clearly, we're not Texas or Oklahoma when it comes to offense. And the difference is the running game. Texas and OU have great running attacks to go with their QB's. By spreading the field, combined with the threat of the run, teams are forced to drop safeties, in the box and single cover the wide receievers. McCoy and Bradford then have all day to sit back and pick apart single coverages.
Since we don't have a running game, we need a way to take pressure off of our QB's arm. And the only way to do that is to bring safeties into the box, and to force linebackers closer to the line. And to do that, we need a running attack with a pulse. That's why Forcier needs a shot. True, he's a less accurate passer. But with the added dimension he brings, he won't have to be as accurate. With the threat of his legs, the WR's will see more one-on-one coverage, and there will be less safety help. I think we can agree that the WR's have impressed this year, and I for one am confident that they can beat single coverage - at least well enough to give the QB a good lane to throw the ball.
The point of all this is that we're not getting the job done on offense. And while it's not all KC's fault, his skill set isn't right for our personel. We need the threat of a running game - however we can get it. Forcier provides us with that. And I'm confident enough in his arm (after all, he was a top 20 QB recruit) to believe that he can complete passes with at least the same efficiency as KC if he has 1) more time, and 2) less coverage on the WRs.
So that's my view. I personally really like KC, and I love all that he's given to the team this year. He's one of the toughest guys I've ever seen play the QB position. It's really really hard to want him on the bench. But the fact is that we need to try something different. At the very least, Forcier will give us something different on offense - something I think we're all looking for.
Either way, I'll support CRN and Chow. But I really hope that Forcier at least gets a shot in a game; not just in practice.
Go Bruins!
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Hey everyone
Ben Olson should be healthy for the Oregon State game. That’s why I voted for “Other”.
by Seanny Rotten on Oct 26, 2008 9:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're kidding, right??
Olsen? Immobile, fragile and unfamiliar with the offense are not the qualities I want in a QB1 right now. Couple that with a lack of support from his teammates, and you have Olsen holding the clipboard on the sidelines for the rest of year.
Trust me, if Craft had any time or throwing lanes he would be much more accurate. Plus, its tough to go through your progressions/reads (which has been the biggest knock against Craft) when you’re constantly being pressured from all sides. If we can give him some time to throw and figure out how to block someone up front so our RBs can gain more than 1.5 yards/carry, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Is Craft ideal? No. Is he the best we have given all the other factors swirling around this program. Absolutely.
Stick with Craft for now and if Olsen is health by the SC game put him in and see if he can work some magic and let him play in at least one SC vs.UCLA game before he graduates.
Heal up Bruins and get ready for the Beavers.
by Bald Eagle on Oct 28, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man - this one is tough.
I have been grappling with where I stand on this issue for quite some time. In terms of spirit, tenacity, leadership, and ‘likability’ K-Craft is a perfect fit. His specific skill-set, however, is not. As Buck mentioned, we need to open up the running game. Bell has been a shadow of his old self, and the O-line just isn’t getting it done. So where to go? I do not know much about Forcier’s abilities, but if he is anything like the QB from Oregon… things could get interesting. I brought this up earlier – it is tough to pick someone other than Craft simply because we like him so much. His never-give-up attitude and gratefulness to the program are both admirable traits that make him a true Bruin warrior. Its truly is a tough one.
by eubruin on Oct 26, 2008 9:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I trust CRN and NC
It’s easy to pick a button and cast an uninformed vote. Having not been at the practices and having no way to compare the QB’s, I’ll put my trust in the two guys who really know what is going on, CRN and NC.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Oct 26, 2008 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Got to Go with the Force (C-Force)
I am still physically sick from the game yesterday. K-Craft and the team imploded and they are not playing like a team, even a young inexperienced team should after 8 games. Just when I thought they might improve and do enough to steal a win, they stink up Strawberry Canyon. I haven’t given up on our boys, but it seems like we keep doing the same things each week that kill us. 16 yards rushing is an embarassment. 4 Interceptions with 2 being Pic-6 is unspeakable for a Div. I college team. That just kills the spirit of the team, especially the defense which has the added burden of defending a short field time after time because our kicking team can’t kick deep and can’t contain the run. I am tired of hearing people defend K-Craft by saying we have no choice and he gives us the best chance of winning. It is simply untrue. Insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over and expecting a different result. I love K-Craft’s toughness and resiliance but he doesn’t have a clue when he has to throw downfield out of the pocket. Actually, Cal’s defense should be ashamed. They really coulda/ shoulda had about 9 easy picks off K-Craft, not just the 4 they recorded. It is time for The Force. He will put added pressure on the defense when he does his Jake Locker thing and he doesn’t look too bad passing either. Any progress reports on Ben Olson? I don’t want to place the blame entirely on K-Craft who has been a warrior despite his and the team’s limitations. By the way, has anyone noticed how Brett Lockett and John Hale seem to be just posers on defense? They look like matadors out there, are they trying out for bullfighting? If I seem angry, it is because I am. And I am too sick of losing in the way we are losing.
by bruin75 on Oct 26, 2008 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem
The problem with the quarterback situation is compounded by our offensive line’s inability to block. Craft spent much of yesterday on his back/ and or on the run when the pocket collapsed.
For example, if you happened to watch the Texas Tech game yesterday, Harrell (TT’s quarterback) was practically untouched the entire game. He had upwards of 5 seconds to find open receivers. Craft doesn’t have that luxury. Due to the pressure he was trying to get rid of the ball too fast. He wasn’t checking down his receivers, and he was throwing the ball high over the middle. All of those interceptions yesterday was because the ball was tipped when it was thrown high over the middle.
It won’t matter who gets put in next week, the quarterback won’t have enough time to throw the ball. Until the offensive line gets replaced things will remain the same.
Victory or until next year!
by ncrpz2 on Oct 26, 2008 10:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a footnote to ncrpz2's comment
Texas Tech has given up three sacks this season. Only Air Force has given up fewer (2). We have given up 22 sacks. Only six teams have given up more.
I also vote with sjh as to who should be playing. We have two pretty good coaches in Coach Neuheisel and Coach Chow. I am much more confident that they will make the proper decision than in what comes out of a BN poll on this.
by Fox 71 on Oct 26, 2008 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd Stick with Craft
From what I’ve seen, Craft is very quick and has appreciable skills as a runner. And his arm seems plenty strong, if not consistently accurate. I am not convinced that Forcier is that much faster or that much better at running that it would compensate for a weaker arm and eight less games of experience. One thing for sure, Craft is a warrior and has proven that he will hang in to the last second and take the hit in order to get off a pass.
I think we have a better chance at this point trying to improve Craft’s vision and judgement rather than starting all over again with Forcier. As for Ben Olson, the poor guy would be a sitting duck behind our porous line. I can’t imagine he’d survive an entire game subjected to that kind punishment. My preference of starter would be Craft, Olson, then Forcier in that order.
by snorkeldorf on Oct 26, 2008 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No Need For This--It's Counterproductive
Rather than fans calling for a voice in who should start, I will trust in the coaches and the fact that they see all the players every day and are much better qualified to evaluate them than any of us are.
by bru79 on Oct 27, 2008 11:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say i don't trust the coaches
I just want to see what people think and giving my own opinion. That’s what this site is about after all. Seeing what people think. If this is counterproductive, then the entire blogging nation is counterproductive. Clearly I trust CRN and Chow. I’m not any sort of coach and they’re two of the best in the business. But this website is about fans talking about their views. That’s all I’m doing. I’d personally like to see Forcier start because some people just aren’t practice players. But whatever the coaches do I will support it 100%.
by bucknellbruin on Oct 27, 2008 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take it easy with the poll
You’re asking us whether we’d want our 3rd string QB over our 4th string QB vs. a QB/WR with a busted knee? Come on now. If C-Force hasn’t been able to make a move on the starting spot, with Craft struggling, do you think he will magically become a top QB during a game when the pressure is at its highest? Let’s let the coaches figure it out, I’m sure they’ve got a handle on this. I wouldn’t have said that last year.
by tasser10 on Oct 27, 2008 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If we don't win...
If we don’t win this week or next, we might as well try Forcier, since we won’t qualify for a bowl. That way we can see how he handles himself in a game situation. There are a lot of guys that look great in practice and then stink up the field during a game. The opposite is true as well.
For Oregon state though, I think Craft is still the best choice. He knows what he is doing and the offense works well with thim. One big possitive I’ve noticed this year is how few penalties the offense has. I think that has been a great change. I’m not sure that is Craft’s doing but a new QB can add confusion and confusion can bring penalties.
by captainqtp on Oct 27, 2008 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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