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Spaulding Roundup: Short Term & Long Term Storylines

Let’s start with the short term storyline. Marcia Smith (the famed football analyst from the OC Register) joins group of Bruin fans who are demanding CRN and Chow start Forcier for the next game.

For their next game on Nov. 8 against Oregon State, the Bruins should take a chance and give the start to Chris Forcier, the quick, raw, shaggy-haired, free-wheeling, redshirt freshman playmaker. It's time for bold moves, not old moves.

I will not link to her article because we have a policy of not linking to proven concern trolls from the local MSM. Laughably Marcia (or what appears to be Marcia) is flacking her own "column" on BRO message board (click on the graphic to enlarge):

Marcia

Hope she doesn't try that transparent spamming technique here on BN.

The fact that a predictable concern troll like Marcia is out there pining for Forcier (trying to split up the Bruin fan base) gives me more reason to support whatever Chow and Neuheisel decided based on their discussions and practice observations next couple of weeks. Right now I don’t have any preference whatsoever in terms of who should be starting next week. What I can do is share is observations from some impeccable sources I have depended on over years, who to say the least were not impressed at all in terms of Forcier's throwing ability from spring and late summer practices this season. May be Forcier has improved since the practices became closed or may be hasn’t. However, I think given Chow and Neuheisel’s record in developing quarterbacks, I think everyone needs to take a deep breath from the ongoing hypevertillating conversation re. who should be the QB next game. Don't get me wrong. I don't see anything wrong with offering up thoughtful analysis re current QB situation (based on data points we have seen from the games). However, I think we have to keep in mind we don't have all the information from close practices at our disposal.

The bottom line is fairly simple for our offense. If we want to get it going, it will have to start with steady play from our frontline, which needs to generate a recognizable running attack. Right now as Kahlil Bell admitted himself, the running game is not getting it done:

UCLA was bottled up yet again on Saturday, continuing a disturbing trend of a complete inability to run the football, and Bell admitted that until the offense finds a way to move the ball on the ground, the losses likely would keep piling up for this young Bruin team being forced to learn on the job.

"I don't know," said Bell, UCLA's frustrated starting tailback. "We have to find a way to run the rock somehow. We're putting too much pressure on our defense, we're putting too much pressure on our quarterback and receivers to make plays.

"I don't know what we're going to do, but whatever we do, we have to figure out a way to run this rock."

Against Cal's defense on Saturday, the Bruins managed just 16 rushing yards on 22 carries. Bell had 5 yards on a team-high six attempts. The leading rushers were backup quarterback Chris Forcier (one carry, 6 yards) and backup tailback Derrick Coleman, who had four rushes for 6 yards.

So for the Bruins to get back on track, it will have to start with generating a decent running game against Oregon State. The good news is that we get a much needed bye this upcoming weekend. Hopefully that will give an opportunity for the bruised and battered OL and RBs to get some much needed rest, and come back reenergized and ready to go the following weekend against a good Oregon State defense.

Meanwhile, as for QBs, I have more than enough confidence in Chow and Neuheisel’s ability to make a calculated and well informed (based on vigorous discussions and full data from practice observations and game films) decision re. who will start the following weekend. Yes, I realize from their public statements it seems like Chow is leaning towards sticking with Craft, while RN is open to exploring another option. However, I don’t see anything wrong with having intellectually honest disagreement among our staff. If anything it will make RN’s ultimate decision that much more well informed. We will see how it plays out. I don’t think it is worth it to beat ourselves over it, especially if we have no clue (like Chow or RN) about Forcier’s throwing ability based on practice observations.

Those were the short term storylines. Let’s end today’s roundup with the long term stuff. We have some great news from the recruiting front:

UCLA received an expected commitment from Punahou of Honolulu tailback Dalton Hilliard, and the Bruins' 2009 class will grow by another today when teammate Roby Toma, a receiver, commits to Neuheisel. Hilliard made the decision after returning from a trip to Arizona.

"I just got back from my Arizona trip and got to compare another Pac-10 school (with UCLA),'' Hilliard said. "I was just looking at everything, all the different parts of the recruiting process, and I think UCLA has the most to offer in terms of location, education, and a top-notch program that's about to explode.

Hilliard also had offers from Nebraska and Arizona.

Toma was being recruiting by West Point, but said he will call Neuheisel and accept an offer. "I'm going to do it (today),'' Toma said. "They told me I can play the slot, and that was my biggest concern.''

Welcome to both Hillard and Toma. It sure seems like our recruiting class is starting to come together (despite some of the concern trolling re. RN’s recruiting efforts from predictable quarters this past off season). Here are some Hilliard highlights from Punahou:

Dalton Hilliard Football Highlights take two (via puns619)

We already have Dean, Knox and Coleman in the fold. With Hilliard in the roster our TB position is now getting all stacked up. Our WRs are developing well this season. Once we stack our OLs in next 2-3 years, we will be in great shape with either Prince, Brehaut or Crissman calling the signals in coming seasons at the Rose Bowl.

Here is the full list of commits to date. We have 11 commitments to date with more to come before signing day. From what I am reading it seems like we are doing well with some key OL recruits, who will hopefully get on board by February.

So there you go. Things are looking pretty good in Westwood. We are in good shape on the recruiting front, and as for the short term, I actually think we have a shot at a good finish if we can get a little healthy this bye week, and come out reenergized and refocused at the Rose Bowl on November 8th.

For now let’s hope the team gets a little rest and focus on getting healthy this coming bye weekend. Then next week they can focus and get ready for another tough opponent at the Rose Bowl.

GO BRUINS.

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I hope Hilliard is good, and good coaching can make all the difference. But on paper, Hilliard looks similar to the three-star recruits KD nabbed. We’ll take it, sure, but nothing to get too fired up about at one of the most important skill positions.

Let’s hope we can start nabbing some 5 star recruits in the next few seasons.

by rfirpo on Oct 28, 2008 7:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hilliard

My understanding is that Hilliard will be used as a slot back. He is aware of the running back depth.

by 808 Bruin on Oct 28, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m more concerned about Toma… 2 star, 5’10, 160lbs?!?!?!?!?!? And West Point hasn’t even offered him. WEST POINT! I’ll trust CRN’s and Chow’s choices for now, but come on… Is this worth a scholarship?

by impaulv on Oct 28, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not every player is meant to be a starter

Especially when UCLA has such stringent admission requirements. Some players are brought in because they’re good kids who are reasonably good athletes and good students, they’re just meant to be on the practice squad. Because we’re UCLA, we can’t have all our recruits be 4- and 5-star athletes. That’s why we need good coaches…

by tasser10 on Oct 28, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ummm...

Agree with your satement to an extent… However, as a Naval Officer and knowing quite a few service academy athletes, I can tell you that while they do look for the qualities of an officer, there are “special” admits for athletes. Also, according to Scout.com UCLA is not only the only major program to offer, it was the only program PERIOD. If we need practice squad players, I’m sure there are plenty of walk-ons. Why waste the scholie? I sure hope there’s a package deal with Manti as alluded below…

by impaulv on Oct 28, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't matter whethere was a package deal.

From what I have read Chow while recruiting Hilliard saw this kid’s tapes and really liked what he saw. He played a big part in offering this kid a scholie. I will write on him later. But your opinion is kind of ill informed in this case. Nothing wrong with taking couple of kids here and there who have shown promises and balance out a class. Not everyone can be a 4-5 star recruit.

By your reasoning Ben Howland would never offer LMR, which is kind of ridiculous. If this kid is good enough for Chow, it works for me.

by Nestor on Oct 28, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I don’t follow recruiting very closely and i’ve already sated in another thread here that I trust Chow and Neu’s decisions. I just haven’t seen or read anything that would suggest Toma would be a good project. And comparing basketball 3-stars to footbal 2-stars is kinda not the same.

I’d love to see what you have on Toma. Hilliard is a god get, I’m sure he’ll have a supporting role. Toma? Please enlighten us :-)

by impaulv on Oct 28, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will try to include those in my roundup

Early tomorrow am or sometime tomorrow night. But if you are impatient check our Dohn’s blog. He posted links to Tuma’s highlights. Pretty cool stuff (although we have to be mindful of the caveat that we can judge simply by highlights all the time).

by Nestor on Oct 28, 2008 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

West Point's a misnomer

while they do recruit for football, they recruit potential Army officers first. If you won’t pass muster as a cadet, no football.

by Seanny Rotten on Oct 28, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watch Punahou weekly and Toma hasn’t been noteworthy as Hilliard or Manti. Offering him a scholarship is suprising. Maybe it will help recruit Manti Teo. Anyways, in CRN and NC we trust.

by 808 Bruin on Oct 28, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not quite a solid argument...

….I see where you’re going impaulv with the argument, but I don’t think it’s quite right.

You being a Navy man, you know full well that the service academies are geared toward bringing in future officers, not future football stars. Yes, they recruit athletes like we do, like Stanford does, like Cal does, etc, but the guys considering offers for West Point, USAFA, or Annapolis know full-well (especially following this year’s Campbell controversy with the Lions) that there will be no NFL career, even if they’re drafted.

Moreover, we’ve hashed out repeatedly the difficult process of getting an athlete into UCLA: the review process by admissions, the mandatory minimum test scores, the necessary GPA, etc.

The service academies have those same hurdles, with the additional major hurdle of ensuring that the guy they’re thinking of offering is qualified and ready to become an officer. Sure, the kid may not be the best football player, but the number one concern at the Point isn’t football ability, but the ability to lead men.

impaulv, I know you already know this, so really it’s for the general benefit. The folks who posted before me are spot on: not every guy on the team can be a 4 or 5 star recruit. Even U$C has 3 star guys on the roster.

Besides, we’ve had some good fortune with 2 and 3 star guys (Scout.com rankings) before (every guy listed was a regular starter or got significant playing time):

Recruiting Class of 2003:
Bruce Davis, 3 stars
Chris Horton, 3 stars
Aaron Whittington, 2 stars
Michael Pitre, 2 stars
Trey Brown, 2 stars

Recruiting Class of 2004:
Brandon Breazell, 3 stars
Chris Markey, 3 stars
Justin Hickman, 3 stars
Marcus Everett, 3 stars
Patrick Cowan, 2 stars
Michael Norris, 2 stars

Recruiting Class of 2005:
Bret Lockett, 3 stars
Khalil Bell, 3 stars
John Hale, 3 stars
Justin Brown, 3 stars
Ryan Moya, 3 stars
Reggie Carter, 3 stars
Jess Ward, 3 stars
Osaar Rasshan, 3 stars
Gavin Ketchum, 3 stars
Korey Bosworth, 2 stars
Kyle Bosworth, 2 stars
Trevor Theriot, 1 star

Recruiting Class of 2006:
Alterraun Verner, 3 stars
Kai Forbath, 3 stars
Reginald Stokes, 3 stars
Christian Ramirez, 3 stars
Dominique Johnson, 3 stars

Recruiting Class of 2007:
Taylor Embree, 1 star

Recruiting Class of 2008:
Cory Harkey, 3 stars
Jeff Baca, 3 stars
Derrick Coleman, 3 stars

Obviously, not all of these guys are super-elite, but most of them are solid players. If CRN and NC thought this 2 star kid was worth the scholarship, I’ve got to defer to that judgment.

by norcald503 on Oct 28, 2008 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can agree with this logic… Lets hope he’s better than Lockett :-) (not flaming Lockett! He has his good days)

How did they miss the boat with Embree??!?!?!?!

by impaulv on Oct 28, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marcia! Marcia! Marcia!

That’s a killer blow to the pro Forcier group, when she endorses a Quarterback I will vote to go the other way.
I think the cupboard is a little bare in terms of Quarterbacking talent and the OL, can we agree to allow Rick and Chow to make the coaching decisions? If they haven’t put in Forcier even after Crafts 4 ints last week there must be a very good reason behind it.

Victory or until next year!

by ncrpz2 on Oct 28, 2008 7:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

on forcier...

here’s what worries me about forcier:
1) Under Dorrell: Forcier was behind Ben Olson, Pat Cowan, Osaar Rasshan, and THEN a walk-on in McLeod-Bethel Thompson. That’s 5th string.
2) Under CRN: After a redshirt year, Forcier moved up on spot to 4th in line. And despite many potential moments for him to come in, he’s never really been put in to lead the team.

Frankly, I think this means that he’s just not that skilled. If he were, he’d have had a shot by now. CRN and Chow know talent when they see it, and I think they’ve gone w/ experience so far, meaning they don’t think Forcier has much potential to develop into a star. Why else wouldn’t he be getting gametime this season?

by jjreicher on Oct 28, 2008 8:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yupp

that just about concludes that argument. The people who get paid lots of money to make this decision clearly thinks that Craft will position us better to win, so let that be it. Great commentary jj – I agree with you 100%.
Cheers.

by eubruin on Oct 28, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

on QB

Any word on Ben Olson and his mid season return?

by 8994 on Oct 28, 2008 8:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The last that was reported

(in the LATimes) was that Olson wouldn’t return until after the bye (this Saturday) and wouldn’t be available until Nov 8. I haven’t heard jack. I think it’d be horrible if CRN punked this kid the same way Dorrell did last year and the year before. Olson was healthy yet Cowan started and did poorly (with the exception of USC ’06).

by Seanny Rotten on Oct 28, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand where you are coming

from with respect to Ben Olson. And I feel for him. His tenure here has been extremely difficult.

However, all that said, if CRN or Chow thinks that Craft or Forcier has the opportunity to be the future of this team, then in my opinion, Ben Olson’s career at UCLA should be over. At this point, it is better to get Craft and Forcier more experience than it is to pay off Olson for his hard work and diligence in getting healthy. I hate to say that, I really do, but that is how I see things.

Now, if neither Craft nor Forcier are the answer, let Olson play, by all means. But we need to look forward at this point, not back. And that means Olson should be done if the future qb is on this team. Besides, and I hate to say this too, Olson was never that good, and he won’t be good on this team either.

If Olson does play this season—well, that will tell you Craft and Forcier are NOT the answer—and you can expect a VERY new Bruin QB next season.

by rfirpo on Oct 28, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

What message does this send recruits? “Come here as the hottest thing since slice bread, have them nickname you Southpaw Jesus only to get shuffled off and forgotten about because you’re not healthy until the 2nd half of your senior season.” That’s bad. If he’s healthy, he should go. He got the majority of snaps in Spring (before getting injured) and Fall (also before getting injured). He hasn’t been goofing off this whole time while he’s been injured. I hope he’s been using his time to rehab his injury and study game film. That being the case, I see no reason he can’t fulfill his destiny and start.

by Seanny Rotten on Oct 28, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My dream scenario

is to have Ben Olson come back and beat U$C. He deserves to go out on a good note.

by tasser10 on Oct 28, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Part II of that dream...

Brehaut enters stage right and successfully takes over from Olson who led the Bruins to an unexpected Bowl win in his last game at UCLA (CRN is subsequently named pac-10 COY).
Awesome.

by eubruin on Oct 28, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a decent argument.

But I considered and rejected it. The message in not playing Olson is, everyone has their time, seize your opportunities. Ben Olson has had a lot of opportunities here at UCLA. And he has been both mediocre and extremely unlucky with his health. No one can say he never had his shot. But someone should say—Olson, your time has passed, but we love your heart and courage.

Even with Ben’s experience, he still will be in a new system, and will have less game experience in that system than Craft or even Forcier.

Anyway, I agree that there is a scenario where Olson plays. But it won’t be because he deserves to play now (even though he deserves it in the I’m-pulling-for-him sense). It will be because the coaches don’t believe in Craft or Forcier as the future of the team (ie—next year). Besides, it is a HUGE question whether Olson would even be better than Craft.

I agree with tasser10—it would be awesome if Olson came back to beat SC. But, like I said, (a) he isn’t the future, (b) he was never that good with a healthy team, and c) his playing will be like taking a step sideways, when potentially there is a step-forward possibility.

by rfirpo on Oct 28, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just guessing here

but I suspect that Ben has been studying the system diligently since Coach Chow got here. He doesn’t really have anything else to do football wise than study. If he gets a shot, my guess is that he will know the system and just have to work on the physical aspect of things. Again, this is just a guess.

by Fox 71 on Oct 28, 2008 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if he has the system and plays down cold, it takes time and repetition to get it done on the field right? I don’t know if there is enough practice time for him to get up to speed even if he came back tomorrow. I think Ben’s potential was awesome and he had his moments but like Baron Davis and his coaching, Ben’s coaching was nowhere as good as what’s at UCLA now. And unfortunately he’s suffering as a consequence. I hope he gets a look from the scouts and a shot of the league if deemed good enough, otherwise he has a family and a degree, I’m sure he’ll be fine.

by impaulv on Oct 28, 2008 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking only of the mental part

A new system (how many new systems is this for Ben?) has new terminology, and Ben can learn that while recuperating. Also, if I recall correctly, Coach Chow has certain things that he wants guys to do depending on what the safety does or what the middle linebacker does, and that can also be absorbed on the sideline.

You’re right of course that things tend to speed up when bodies start flying around, and there’s no way to practice that while holding a clipboard. My thought was that maybe there could be a few steps that Ben could skip once he gets cleared to play.

I would like to see him get another chance.

by Fox 71 on Oct 29, 2008 4:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

D'OH!

I meant the Daily News, specificially Dohn’s column.

by Seanny Rotten on Oct 28, 2008 10:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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