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Ben Ball Roundup: Patience

So I am not surprised at all to see the close score when I woke up this morning. I didn’t get to watch the game but going into it I was dreading about an upset. This was one of those games which might have presented a perfect storm for a capable Mid Major team to pull off an upset against a team like UCLA working to develop so many freshmen early in the season.

It is not going to get any easier for our guys as they take on Beilein’s Michigan team next week. It is not going to be easy especially considering the difficult time Howland’s backcourt has had handling Beilein’s 1-3-1 zone. Well, we will talk about that game lot more next week. The good news here is that we won’t have to wait till November 29 for our next game and seems like the players had their own incentives to pull out a clutch win last night:

"We would have had some serious practice that would have been no fun," junior wing Michael Roll said. "We would have been running for days."

Collison, the West bracket's MVP, and Shipp carried the Bruins offensively with 16 points apiece. Aboya had six points, including two crucial free throws with 2:13 to play, and also grabbed six rebounds.

Collison hit floaters and pull-up jumpers during a 10-point second half to keep UCLA ahead by a few points, and his two free throws with 21 seconds remaining gave the Bruins a 62-59 lead. Shipp, who also had 10points after the break, iced the trip to New York with two free throws with 5.8 seconds left.

The Redhawks (1-1) were led by senior Michael Bramos' 22 points, but he is not who shot the ball when UCLA led 62-59 in the closing minutes. Instead, Miami senior Kenny Hayes, who was 7 for 7 from 3-point range in Wednesday's win against Weber State, missed a tough shot over Bruins power forward James Keefe with eight seconds remaining.

"It would not have been a good week for us if we lost," Shipp said. "It would have been two weeks of hard practice."

LOL I wouldn’t want to be in JS and his team-mates shoes if the game had gotten away against what sounds like a solid and scrappy team last night.

It sounds like it was the seniors who carried us down the stretch, which is good news. But as the folks at Bruin Basketball Report point out concerns remain about our frontcourt after the second game in this regular season:

Offensively, UCLA struggled again with its inside game.

James Keefe played another subpar game, finishing with 3 points on 1 of 3 shooting and missing another easy layup. The junior is playing with a lack of confidence and its showing on both ends of the court. Keefe had just 3 rebounds in 24 minutes. He'll need to step forward soon as the Bruins lack veteran depth up front.

Senior center Alfred Aboya did another yeoman's job in the paint, sitting picks and disrupting offenses with his activity, but his 6 points and 6 rebounds paired with Keefe's minute contributions will not be enough production for UCLA when it faces teams with even more talent than they've faced.

Its not time to panic in Westwood yet, but a clear warning bell has been sounded.

With an unproductive inside game and five freshmen playing major roles, UCLA will be vulnerable in the early going.

Hmm. I wonder what is going on with JK. I am looking forward to watching next game to see what is going on. Here is something I will throw out to discuss. For those who have watched JK so far this season does it appear that he has slowed down a step and lost a bit of agility due to bulking up a lot this offseason? Perhaps that’s not on point and I shouldn’t be making that guess without having watched a single game yet this season. But that thought did go through my mind.

I certainly agree with BBR folks that really there is no reason to panic. I fully expect us to have a bumpy pre season and even a tougher Pac-10 season than we have had last two years, due to our freshmen inexperience and front court issues. In some ways, I will not be surprised if this season turns out to be the same journey we experience during the 2005-06 season, which if you can remember was pretty tough in the early going featuring losses in the MSG and against Pac-10 teams at Pauley.

On brighter notes, it sounds like our warriors were clutch during crunch time:

In the end, "It came down to valuing our possessions," said Collison after hitting two free throws with 21 seconds left to make it 62-59. "We weren't going to lose that game ... This was a great test for us.

But the backbreaker for the Redhawks, of the Mid-American Conference, may have come a couple of minutes earlier, and from a most unlikely source. James Keefe, a 6-foot-8 forward known mostly for his rebounding, dropped in a three-point rainbow from the corner as the clock wound down for a 58-54 lead with 3:15 left.

"Better to be lucky than good," UCLA coach Ben Howland said.

So the Bruins were lucky?

"On that shot," he said.

They made their FTs and AA2 stayed out of foul trouble for the second straight game:

"The key for UCLA is they made their free throws. They made six down the stretch (after making only 7 of 14 early)," Miami coach Charlie Coles said. "I was really hoping that (Alfred) Aboya would miss his free throws."

But the 6-9 senior center didn't, as he finished his first back-to-back games playing 30 or more minutes. Foul troubles had previously prevented that. But he had none.

Plus the team reduced the number of TOs from the first game:

If nothing else, the Bruins showed improvement from their rough opener when they had 24 turnovers, six each by Collison and freshman guard Jerime Anderson.

Howland warned his players they could not afford to be so sloppy against Miami, but the players did not seem too worried about cleaning things up.

"Don't make a mistake about it, that is a very good team," Collison said. "As soon as you turn it over, they were going to capitalize on it."

UCLA took better care of the ball against Miami -- only seven turnovers -- but would need more than meticulousness.

If we are looking for “meticulousness,” that is going to require patience. For i.e., when it comes to freshmen, kids like JM openly admits (refreshingly so instead of getting defensive about it) that he has some work to do when it comes to getting in shape:

Bruins freshman center J'mison "Bobo" Morgan echoed Bruins coach Ben Howland's sentiments that he needs to get in better shape.

"I knew I was out of shape," Morgan said. "I really didn't have to work as hard at the high school level, but I'm just trying to get better and better every day. But, yeah, I wish I did more conditioning before the season."

There is no reason for Bobo to beat himself for it. The conditioning will develop over time. It is pretty much impossible for a high school senior (no matter how talented he is) to come into Westwood in Ben Ball warrior game shape. JM and his freshmen team-mates will get there. It will take time and more importantly patience on the part of the entire Bruin Nation.

GO BRUINS.

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Sorry Charlie, I'm not buyin too much into: "but we got freshmen"

Why? Because back in like my 2nd year at UCLA, Larry Brown took our FAB 4, Michael Holton, Rod Foster, Cliff Pruitt, and Darrin Daye, PLUS Kiki V. to the FINALS. Brown made HELLA use outta the athleticism of those guys. Back in like 1979, is was not yet “normal” for the game to be played ABOVE THE RIM. It was for our crew.

Once the Centers took center court for the Opening Jump Ball, and the lights dimmed in Pauley, and the Student Section was already hoarse from IS THIS A BASKETBALL, IS THAT THE LOOOOOOOOOSING TEAM..etc. etc. from like the FIRST POSESSION, it was press, press, press… man-up, man-up, man-up,… force turn-overs… get an early lead, figuratively bloody a nose or two… and game was on!

C’mon guys, it’s Pauley Pavillion. I’m sorry, but as far as I’m concerned, our HOME GAMES should be punishing to opposing schools. Punishing. And our HOME record should look like a star little-leaguers batting average. I really only expect this at HOME.
Ok, ok, i give in for the sake of many of you… I DESIRE this at home – not expect it.

On the road, hey, a win is a win.

But, man-o-man, I don’t want mid-major opponents commin into Pauley, then going home feeling like they could personally play with us. If you’re name is not UNC, DUKE, KENTUCKY, INDIANA, ARIZONA, or USC (i include the trojans because all the kids know each other too well), if you’re not from a MAJOR program, you’re commin to Pauley for one reason: To Get Your A** Beat! Stop lowering our PAULEY standards. We got NBA’ers!

Oh, last point…
I don’t understand why we fought, fought, fought for J’Mision (sp), then didn’t give him a few videos of “how we do it at UCLA”, and a couple of homework pages of physical standards, and told him very nicely with a lot of love: “Son, we’re gonna love to have you in Westwood. By the way, here’s a video and a physical regime we’re gonna be expecting you to be ready for when you come to us for First Practice. If you’re not runnin the floor in 3.79 seconds (made up stat), flat, you’re gonna be woefully behind. When kids start behind, it’s takes too long to catch up, you don’t get the playin time I wanna give you, and NBA scouts won’t see you. Manhood starts now, son. See ya in the fall – IN THE BEST SHAPE OF YOUR LIFE! We luv ya! Make us proud!”

by BruinAlum on Nov 14, 2008 7:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, we made the finals in 1980

But we also were an 8 seed in the west and had about 10 losses. That team improved as the season went on and was very good at the end of the season but not so great early on. With 5 freshmen, you have to be patient to give them time to develop and gel. By the end of the season, they will be much, much better than they are now. So it’s not a freshmen excuse, it’s understanding that they aren’t who they will be in 4 months.

by BruinsRule on Nov 14, 2008 7:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

This team is a work in progress. Young and talented. They are much deeper than they have been in recent years going 8 deep. CBH is really trying to find the optimal rotation. Having this depth gives us the abilty to remain fresh in the final minutes of close games to ensure maximum defensive effort.

On offense, this team is much more skilled at creating shots. JS was amazing last night at driving and pulling up for mid range Js something he did less of last year. DC was strong to the hoop too.

As t his team matures, we will be very good. And don’t worry about Keefe. He was tenative last night but will come around as he becomes more secure with is role.

One thing on O. We ran a lot of high screen plays where their big man hedged nicely leaving AA or JK open with an easy roll and layup to the hoop, but DC was unable to get them the ball. This seems like an easy way to get these guys more involved offensively in the paint. I hope we look for these types of plays in the future. Just a thought.

Good game last night to watch live at Pauley.

by Bald Eagle on Nov 14, 2008 7:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BruinsRule & Bald Eagle

You are precisely on the money on this. There is so much raw talent on this team that it would be extremely easy to blow it up. Thank God we have Coach Howland, who is not just a great coach, but a great teacher—and skilled at peaking his team at the right time. I think patience is of the utmost imporatnce this season.

The very reason “We got NBA’ers” is that Coach Howland understands the process and pace that produces them.

Patience, Grasshopper.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Nov 14, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

MIchael Roll

From watching the game on TV (may have been different in person), Michael Roll was solid last night. Hit some clutch 3’s and was very steady influence on the team. We will need him to come up big this season. He will also be a marked man, as teams will rightfully worry more about our outside game than our was less convincing inside game.

It would be really nice also if the team did not wait until crunch time to hit FT’s. We had a chance to put some space between us and Miami with a 4 point swing, but JK missed two FT’s (not even close on either one) after an intentional foul call, and then came up empty on ensuing possession. Arrgh.

by islandbruin on Nov 14, 2008 7:38 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Additional Thoughts

N- IMO, Keefe didn’t look slow; he looked tentative, much as he did in his first two years before his modest surge at the end of last season.

Collison looked quicker, faster and bigger. I was way down on Shipp after last season, but he looked faster, more energetic and better. Roll can stroke it now and moves much better defensively.

by BruinsRule on Nov 14, 2008 7:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

agreed on Keefe

Keefe’s problems seem mental. I was watching him live from Pauley and two particular moments stuck out:

1) His free throw shooting. It reminded me of his air ball last year in the tourney – free throws are often mechanics and mental issues. Last night, he barely made it to the rim on one of the free throws, and he missed both of them on the intentional foul. Given that he’s supposedly healthy, I’d hate to believe this is a mental issue but it certainly looked like it.

2) On one of the rebounds while he was under, instead of going up for a foul on a put back attempt, he looked like he hesitated then stepped out and passed it to a guard. What made this stick out, however, was that he was relatively clear around him compared to other attempt’s he’s made. Obviously, throwing it to a guard isn’t a bad thing, but it seems like his confidence has been rattled a bit.

Roll definitely looks like a new player though – he was really quick and active on defense and offense, and seems to have a quicker release with his shot as well.

by blinkshot on Nov 14, 2008 7:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On Keefe:

As I watched him last night, (and the night before), I kept thinking that he had something that was hurting. His usual fluidity of movement is not there, there is a brief hesitation and akwardness…worrisome, indeed.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Nov 14, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jrue

I saw the game live, and while Jrue had 2 early fouls that did take him out, I felt like Coach Howland definitely needs to get Jrue more involved in the offense. I don’t know if its confidence or unselfishness, but Jrue has way too many skills not to be taking more shots / going to the rim more often. When its clear that we aren’t going to get much if any offense from the front line, we need Jrue to be utilized more often! I know he sat a lot also because CBH has a tendency to pull a player for making stupid mistakes, but how else is a player going to learn?

by blinkshot on Nov 14, 2008 7:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

JH

JH had two ticky tack fouls early in the game which was the main reason he got pulled. But he looked very tentative on offense and tried to force the ball into the post a couple of times when there was clearly nothing there. I think this, combined with Roll’s great play, led CBH to go with Roll in crunch time instead of JH. I haven’t gotten the primadonna impression at all from JH, but sometimes the best learning experience a player of his caliber can have is to sit down and watch a veteran play his heart out like Roll did last night.

by bruinponcho on Nov 14, 2008 8:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jrue

I know it’s early, but I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that this kid is going to be a one and done…..

Just sayin’

by godblesstyus95 on Nov 14, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

time

this team has some amazingly talented guys, but they need time to gel. you can see that they still haven’t figured out who the scorers are, who the slashers are, who the ballhandlers are, etc. when it counted, DC and Shipp stepped in and polished off the game, but it will take more than those two guys to reach the levels UCLA has achieved the last few years.

Notes:
Bobo is out of shape, and it shows on the defensive end. He will improve.
Dragovic, I feel, is not worth this team’s time.
Roll needs to play a greater role. And I think he naturally will.
The other 4 of the Fab Five Frosh just need time. They all look like pretty stellar talents.

We miss Love. Badly. DC drives and there’s no one in the middle to hand the ball off to. I don’t know if we’ll just shoot 3s or if aboya/keefe/morgan will get involved offensively, but I hope it’s the latter.

Next week will be very interesting. Go Bruins!!

by jjreicher on Nov 14, 2008 8:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bigs

While I am not one to dote on the past, you are absolutely right that we miss KL. ALL of our bigs look tentative when they get the ball downlow whether it is from an entry pass or off a rebound. Instead of just catching it high, pivoting, sealing, and going up with it, they immediately dribble once, then pump fake about 3 or 4 times, then throw up a soft layup instead of going up strong. And that is assuming they catch the ball to begin with as there has been multiple times each game so far that they have allowed their defender to beat them to the ball on the entry pass. DC not having anyone to drop the ball off too allows the defenders to come after him when he drives because they don’t have to worry about their man doing anything with the ball.

JK seems like he is thinking too much instead of just playing basketball. AA2 will always be a hard worker but is never going to be an offensive threat. ND really isn’t a small forward in a power forward’s body. JMM is such a defensive liability CBH cant even play him. DG is probably our most aggressive low post player who does go up strong, but he is still raw.

Right now, the only two that have a chance at developing are JK and DG. JK has the skills and believe it or not, the body to play on the post. He just needs to get it going mentally. DG is strong and plays above the rim, something our others bigs don’t. I expect him to get more minutes as the season goes on and am hopeful that he will develop sooner rather than later.

by bruinponcho on Nov 14, 2008 9:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No Communion For Obama Supporters

Re: New Blood/FNG’s, with a d-minded professor like CBH, there’s always going to be a longer adjustment period for freshmen starters. This is a weakness great a great MAC squad like Miami clearly exploited last night.

Last night, I found the game on ESPN and at 14: something in the 2nd half, I grabbed my keys hopped the canyon and ducked into Pauley with about 5: something to go. What looked tight on TV looked much looser and easier to understand in person: Freshmen like Jrue are the weak links on the opposite end — they’re stars off the dribble, but play in a lower gear on defense.

They’ll get it. Howland’s a master at talent conversion. And with DC and Shipp carrying the load early on, we’ll be running on all 10-cylinders very soon.

GO BRUIN BLUE

by logan_5 on Nov 14, 2008 8:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I have to tell you, I was thinking, “What the….?”

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Nov 14, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Watching what I could...

Nikola Dragovic – I don’t think he can play an integral part on this time. It seemed slow and just.. not a good effort.

Darren Collison and Josh Shipp – seniors bailing us out, time and again.

The Freshmen definitely still have a lot of developing to – JMM definitely has to get into shape, and Drew Gordon, while I didn’t expect much, showed some flashes on Wednesday that I hoped to see again on Thursday (although those flashes were during semi-garbage time…)

Watching AA2 setting the picks, I really missed LMR. But AA2 drew a couple of charges, so he’s still doing his job well.

Michael Roll, I just kept screaming at him to catch and shoot. I think he’s just more effective in that role. He did have a good game in the scheme of things though.

I agree with Keefe being tenative. I wanted him to crash in harder on the boards. I kept repeating “I miss Kevin Love” but I’m just going to miss him… and Luc.

by freesia39 on Nov 14, 2008 9:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good points all around above

My perspective:

(1) Miami was pretty good. We have our issues, but I have to give some credit to Miami. I think they played a really good game, didn’t wither under pressure, and made some huge shots. There is a reason they win their conference A LOT. I think this was a tough game for us, especially because we generally don’t see this good a team this early on our home floor. I think this was a good test, and will prove valuable. Also, it opened up the eyes of our freshman, and that kind-of-humbling is priceless.

(2) Collison and Shipp – HUGE. Thank god.

(3) I disagree with those who think Aboya had a good game. He hit two crucial freethrows which was awesome. Otherwise, I thought he was beyond mediocre. Fumbling balls repeatedly, and unable to make easy layups because he seems to rush his shots. I feel bad for him, because what UCLA wants and needs, I don’t think he can deliver. He is going to be the victim of expectations this year, and it could get ugly for this really nice kid.

(4) Roll – I thought he played well. Hit some big shots.

(5) Keefe – I thought he hit some big shots, but he is not the presence yet that he needs to be.

(6) Freshman got smacked around last night. And since we won, I think it was great. They need to learn.

(7) Jrue—I was disappointed in his defense. I expected more out of him. It is clear to me that DC is easily the best defender on the team, and I think Roll and Shipp also played solid experienced defense. If Jrue is truly the next Afflalo—well then he has a LONG way to go.

Go Bruins.

by rfirpo on Nov 14, 2008 9:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

really glad we won

cause i have tix for friday at msg. hopefully we’re in the second game that day!

only caught 2nd half. we didn’t look that good

i believe in jrue holiday. i don’t think he’s much of a project type player. think he will bounce back soon from this one.

this team is much deeper, and howland seems to be comfortable changing the people on the floor until the right combo works. last night the right combo was the older kids.
there’ll be some matchups and games where lee and holiday and gordon might be in more.

its early, this team has potential, looks good for a few minutes, looks much worse than last year the next couple.

we looked awful barely winning over this team, i’m not sold that miami ohio is going to be in the tourney, but next week has two new games, michigan will be tough. but let’s be a little supportive and optimistic, howland, collison, shipp – they’ve earned it.

by realfabfive on Nov 14, 2008 9:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We've seen the talent

It is there and we’ve had flashes that makes you believe we can win the national title this year. At the same time though, we see how far this team has to come to get to that point. For every national title contender three minutes of play, there is middle of the road of the Pac 10, trying to learn the college game three minutes. Give it time though. CBH always has his teams peaking in the spring and I don’t have any reason to believe this year will be different.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Nov 14, 2008 10:32 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This team

will look vastly different come March than it does now. You can book it.

JK and AA2 are solid role players, at best. Ten points and ten rebounds, combined, would be a productive night from them . I think it is just a matter of time before DG and JM eventually wrest the starting jobs from these two. They (DG and JM) both have shown flashes of raw talent that with some experience and conditioning should give them the edge.

However, make no mistake, this is and will continue to be a guard oriented team throughout the year. KL is gone, get used to it. I trust that BH will get the most out of his players and make this a very, very formidable team by the time the Pac 10 schedule comes around.

Miami did a very solid job taking away our transition game and cutting off our interior passes. Bramos gave Holiday some schooling on the offensive end…JH will need to develop his defense. This game had a feel of a tough, grind it out 2nd round tourney game.

Getting to NY will give this team some valuable experience. This was a great win.

by godblesstyus95 on Nov 14, 2008 1:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

First time seeing the team this year

and we looked pretty bad. Lets be honest, for an aspiring Final Four contender, Aboya and Keefe are not starting quality big men. They are at best quality subs who are going to play hard and do a bunch of little things to help the team win but can’t be counted on to provide anything offensively on a consistent basis. This is kind of sad because Keefe definitely has the offensive skill set but like most others are saying he just is not looking for his shot and has no confidence in his game. I think a bigger thing too is that it doesn’t look like any of these guards trust our big men to handle things down low which is the way it has been for every year other than the season we had Love. Finally, it looks like we really miss having a lock down defender who can just shut down the other team’s best scoring guard. Last year we had Westbrook who completely owned Mayo and before that Afflalo locked down pretty much everyone. Hopefully Jrue can turn into that type of player but he is no where near that level now and it will take a lot of work.

by turs12 on Nov 14, 2008 2:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good and Bad

My thoughts from watching the game at Pauley last night:

- Keefe was a liability most of the game. Very tentative and seems to be thinking rather than doing. Though his defense at the end was great and the 3 was huge.

- DC and Shipp are starting off much better than last year. DC looks solid (especially down the stretch when he took over) and Shipp looks like a different player to me with his mid-range fadeaways and a much quicker first step.

- Roll looks surprisingly good. He has his movement, his shot and confidence.

- JH and the other frosh have huge potential. We just need to give them time, especially JM. DG and ML look to me like they will be key contributors by the tourney if not before. And JH seems like he has some learning on where to go on set plays. Once he gets that down his athletic ability will take him to another level.

- Dragovic is a positive surprise for me. I think his defense has improved a lot and his shots are falling. I saw some negative posts here and I don’t get it. I’d like to see some data—what is he doing badly?

- AA2—yeah, I love him but I agree. I don’t see him becoming a dominant starter unfortunately. Something is missing. He’s got the body, athleticism, brains, but maybe not quite the skills. Forget KL, I miss Mata’s finishes around the basket. AA2 has a ways to go. But we’ll see, maybe he will put it together.

- CBH: I saw him tinkering a lot last night looking at different combos. It’s very early in the season and I can’t imagine anyone I’d trust more to get this team ready for the conference and then the tourney.

- SPTRs: Just unbelievable. Are we the only team in America that does not get the majority of calls our way when we play at home? Pauley is not such a difficult place to play in part because the refs often seem to help the other team (other than the occasional bad make-up call). Is this because our fans are so quiet? I’m sitting up in the rafters because I can’t afford the $$$ for donor seats and we are pretty noisy. Meanwhile, only half of the fat cats with great seats bother showing up and those who do sit on their hands and say hi to their buddies all night. I wish we could do better in this department but I don’t have any solutions to offer beyond letting the students sit in the lower level all around the court and renovating Pauley so we are all closer.

Well, I’ll be there yelling with all of you no matter what. Here’s to a good game against Michigan and a season of learning and improvement.

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Nov 14, 2008 5:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

DC, anyone?

How lucky are we that he came back for his senior year? Imagine the alternative…

DC will be the rock that holds this team together until the freshman come into their own. And when they do, look the h*** out.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Nov 15, 2008 1:06 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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