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Patience, Patience, Patience

If there's anything we should take from tonight's game, it is the need for us, the fans, to be patient. Let's address some of the postgame comments by fans, starting with the one that has the easiest answer.

"Collison got fouled on that last shot!"

- Yes, Collison did get hit, but if you're counting on that call late then you're in trouble. We've been the beneficiary of late no calls before and now we're on the other side of it. We didn't deserve the whistle anyways. Michigan outworked us and wanted it more. They got the W they deserved.

"Holiday needs to begin to assert himself"

- We were spoiled by Kevin Love last year. Freshmen don't step in and know exactly what to do and when to do it. Holiday does need be more aggressive because two second half shots isn't enough, but that will come with experience. Our offense is very precise and requires a lot of people to do their job well to get the shot we want, but Holliday is a special talent who can score outside of the offense. When should he stay within the offense and when should he get the quick bucket outside of the offense? When should he demand the ball? When should he look to spread the court and when should he go to the bucket? When is he going to focal point of the possession and when will Shipp or Collison or somebody else be the focal point? Those are all questions that will be answered in time and when they are, we'll see Holiday assert himself when needed.

"Play freshmen more"

- If we played freshmen more we wouldn't have been playing tonight. It was our seniors who got us through Miami (OH) and it's our seniors who need to lead this team. it doesn't matter if our freshmen are out of their minds because if we don't get production from the upper classmen we won't win.

Some freshmen aren't in shape yet (Morgan), some are overwhelmed by the college game (Anderson), some don't have the footwork (Gordon) and some don't know where to fit in offensively at times (Lee, Holliday). All of these things can be improved though. As Morgan practices and works out, he'll get in better shape. As Anderson plays more, he'll adjust to the speed of the game. As Gordon goes through practice, he'll improve his footwork. As the team plays more together, Lee and Holliday will find their niche. it can all be fixed, but it will all take time.

"Make adjustments to use our athleticism"

- We dont have the basics down yet so we're not going to work on massive adjustments. If we are having issues defending in the half court why would we teach our players a full court press? If our players don't know their rotations in the half court, how will they know where to be in the full court? You want to get out on the fast break? Well that requires stops on defense and effective forwards rebounding the ball that allow our guards to get out quickly. Keefe and Aboya are doing their very best, but they haven't played the type of minutes they're playing now so they have to learn. Gordon isn't comfortable throwing the outlet pass right now and Dragovic is just understanding the concept of coming back to the boards.

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Now as we learn our rotations and defensive assigninments our defense will improve. We'll start forcing more turnovers to get into the open court and with time our big men will become more comfotable not only rebounding, but finding our guards with the outlet. We've got to lay the foundation before we can start building up.

Anybody who has been around trusts in Howland's ability to develop a team. N has preached over and over the similarities to our team in '05-'06. That team developed and so will this team. The weaknesses are evident and the coaching staff is well aware of them. There are a lot of questions surrounding this squad, but the easiest answer to these questions is patience. You want to fastbreak? Let the guys learn how to defend and we'll get easy baskets off of turnovers. You want Holliday to assert himself? Let him learn how to assert himself within the team concept.

So we're not a top 5 team right now. Big deal. Ask Duke what it's like to be a top 5 team for the first 4 months of the season and not make it out of the first weekend of the tournament. The easiest fix to our problems is time and patience. The team will be there in March, but if we, the fans, wring our necks over every little thing in November, we won't be there to watch it.

 

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Thanks for the reminder

We all need to remember that this team is still learning to be a team.

by Rhapsode on Nov 20, 2008 10:15 PM PST reply actions  

I said this in another thread

I think the comparisons, talent-wise, to 05-06 are valid. We went to the title game that year behind senior leadership in Bozeman and Hollins with some young talented guns in Farmar, Afflalo, Luc, etc.

Experience-wise, I think we look a little more like 04-05 with Dijon Thompson and true Freshmen Farmar, Afflalo, Shipp, Mata-Real. That team went 18-11.

Now, because I believe Howland has his system in place and firmly established, I think the trajectory of improvement will more closely resemble the former than the latter, at least that’s what I hope. I do, however, think that we are starting at square one, whereas 05-06 started at square 4 or 5. So if Howland can duplicate something like that title game run (in terms of improvement over the season, not results) I believe it will be his best coaching job ever.

by Tydides on Nov 20, 2008 10:52 PM PST reply actions  

Great analysis

Everyone wants to win every game, and while that is what makes cheering for a team great, it is also completely irrational. Your analysis and call for patience is spot on. Everything builds off of each other. If we don’t play good defense, we wont get turnovers. If we don’t force turnovers, we won’t get fastbreaks. It is a long season and I am looking forward to seeing the team develop each week.

Go Bruins!

by bruinponcho on Nov 20, 2008 11:41 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Kevin Love and Jrue

I know likes to remember all the great things he did last year but no one seems to bring up how it took even last year’s team awhile to assimilate with Love. No one then was used to playing with a dominate big men and people last year were complaining about how Love wasn’t getting enough touches, we didn’t know how to feed the post, etc. Eventually they figured it out and it worked out beautifully. Give it some time and the same thing will happen with Jrue (and everyone else for that matter).

by turs12 on Nov 21, 2008 12:27 AM PST reply actions  

good points

Let’s also not forget that Love looked on his defensive rotations early in the year.

I see this team improving by leaps and bounds as the season progresses.

by bornagainbruin on Nov 24, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Good Analysis

I only got to watch the last few minutes of this loss last night when I got home but the one thing I did see that really bothered me was how that Michigan guy made that cut for a backdoor pass and the subsequent dunk. That and from the highlights I caught later just gave me the impression that the Maize and Blue wanted it more than our guys last night. Still, I have no doubt that Ben Howland will bring this team along; that we’ll learn from this loss and that we’ll be around at the end.

Los Angeles Rams and the UCLA Bruins!!!!!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Nov 21, 2008 4:50 AM PST reply actions  

Good points, Rye

Some random thoughts, as ‘66 likes to say.
- Let’s remember that it’s a long season, and we don’t have either Alcindor or Walton or O’Bannon or Kevin Love on the team this year. Be patient while the guys get through the growing pains.

- These early games are to get us ready for the conference, and the conference is to get us ready for the six game season starting in March. That’s when we need to be peaking.

- The teams that we play are all good. Everyone in D-1 basketball is a good player. Most players were successful players in high school and they expect to be successful in college. Everyone believes he can be a pro. With that mind set, no one is intimidated and no one gives up. There will be no easy games.

Bruins, I don’t think anyone ever predicted that we would be undefeated this year. I think it is unrealistic to think we will go into the tournament with only one loss. Let’s accept this loss, and get over it. I think Coach Howland will use his teaching ability to get some points across to some players based on this game. Let’s move on, and stay behind Coach Howland and our guys.

by Fox 71 on Nov 21, 2008 5:05 AM PST reply actions  

Freshman Aren't Ready

The Bruins went out to a 7-1 run, and then the Freshman came in and looked nervous and out of sync. Holliday is the exception, an obvious talent who can play right away. I was irritated that CBH was experimenting with the freshman instead of playing to win, but I understood that he is trying to work them into the system. The only unfortunate thing is that we are a very experienced team with DC, JS, MR, AA and JK playing, but that team was outplayed by an average Michigan squad. It was just one game.

by 75NatChamps on Nov 21, 2008 7:35 AM PST reply actions  

I am sure it has been mentioned elsewhere, but if not

Wasn’t this the first road game for many of these freshmen? And it’s in Madison Square Freaking Garden? Gee, no pressure there, huh?

I agree with the consensus, we will be fine. I would like to get to the point where one of the freshmen start either the 4 or the 5, but that will take some time.

In the meantime, I would like to see Keefe be a bit more agressive. The O boards were great, but many times he tried to unload the ball as soon as he got it versus looking for his shot.

by Free the 16 on Nov 21, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

The Bull's Eye is on Our Back

The renewed success of our program means that playing and beating UCLA has great significance. Do you honestly think UM would have the same reaction to their victory had they beaten Texas or Gonzaga? They’re all gunning for us now…giving us their best shot. Every game will be like this. The seniors know it and, in time, so will the frosh.

by 78Bruin on Nov 21, 2008 9:28 AM PST reply actions  

I'm definitely not worried.

I still think this team has more talent than any of the last three. It’s undeveloped talent, but look where guys like Lee and Holiday are already. Gordon or Morgan will come around by the time of the tournament, at which point we’ll probably be yet another Final Four caliber team. As far as moving Shipp to the 4, it’s an interesting idea that might help Lee/Anderson but I hope it won’t take minutes from Gordon and Morgan in doing so.

by truebruin on Nov 21, 2008 11:55 AM PST reply actions  

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