Why Bother Playing Next Saturday?
Over at the LA Times, Trojan Alum - Adam Rose (who is also the lead blogger for "What's Bruin") - is already lamenting the prospect of Southern Cal playing in the 2009 Rose Bowl on All Things Trojan:
Is the Rose Bowl good enough?
Once you get over just how disgusting it is for a headline like the one you see here (I almost threw up in the back of my mouth while typing it), it's actually a fair question.
USC, unless they stumble into the BCS National Championship game or stumble against a completely outmatched UCLA team next week, will be in Pasadena on January 1st playing Penn State. It'll be the Trojans' fourth straight trip, and fifth in the last six years. The one year they missed was due to a bigger engagement -- a national title game in Miami. Had Oregon State beat Oregon on Saturday, the Trojans held out hope for another BCS game -- most likely the Fiesta, but possibly the Sugar or maybe even the Orange.
Adam then runs a poll on his blog asking his readers (Trojan fans) whether they "are satisfied with the Rose Bowl over another non-title BCS game," clearly making plans beyond next Saturday.
Adam's colleague and Pete Carrol's biggest cheer leader - Bill Plaschke - is also upset about Trojans going to the 2009 Rose Bowl (emphasis added):
With Oregon State's championship-costing loss to Oregon, the Trojans are but a slam-dunk victory over UCLA next week from returning to the Rose Bowl for the fourth consecutive season, a development that can elicit only one bit of intelligent analysis.
Whoop-de-darn-do.
As written here before, Pasadena is a nice place to visit, but the Trojans don't want to live there.
They don't need it for reputation. They don't need it for recruiting.
They needed a Fiesta against a high-scoring Big 12 team, some Sugar against a traditional SEC power, anything that could enhance their national presence and propel them into next season's polls.
They don't need another Rose bouquet against another Big Ten vase.
At this point, I should apologize to those e-mailers from Penn State, who were outraged when I included the Nittany Lions in a list of slow teams from the Midwest.
LOL ... Bill is not even worried about "e-mailers" from UCLA.
Why should he? Lot of well intentioned and knowledgeable UCLA football fans are already waving their fight flags pointing to a Saturday where they are expecting Trojan's dominating defense to eviscerate UCLA's anemic offense (from Bruin Report Online's premium football forum)...
... leading to the ultimate rock bottom for this program resulting from years of mismanagement under Bob Toledo and Karl Dorrell:
I understand the frustrations underlying those posts (and some of them in fairness are well reasoned and articulated ... even thought they come with jarring titles). And, I am not sure I need to go to the stats because if we look at them they will pretty much support the basis for some of the comments we are seeing above.
Over here over the years we have always taken pride in building a community which is realistic and which forms opionions based on facts and numbers. So all that said ... why even bother getting ready for Saturday?
Why should our guys who have been busting their rear ends all year under a new head coach even bother showing up?
CRN points to the 1989 game as a possible answer:
The Bruins figure to be heavy underdogs against the fifth-ranked Trojans, but Neuheisel said he had an answer for that too.
The 1989 UCLA team entered the USC game with a 3-7 record. Quarterback Bret Johnson was inexperienced, just like current quarterback Kevin Craft.
"You know, a lot of similarities," Neuheisel said.
The Bruins would have won that year if kicker Alfredo Velasco's 54-yard field goal attempt had not bounced off the crossbar at the Coliseum. The final score was 10-10.
I know, I know. I have already heard the rant about how Craft is worse than Bret Johnson. If you want to do more of that attacking a kid who has shown incredible courage and heart all season without voicing a single complaint in public about the unreal beating he has taken behind a fragile OL ... please find a message board.
I remember that game really well watching it as a high school student. But for me it was the 1992 game that framed my mindset for this rivalry as a student and I will stick with that no matter what the circumstances are around this game.
I am not going to go into details of 1992 all over again. I think we have shared the John Barnes story enough of BN.
I will also stick with players like Norris who have found a way to persevere and give his best effort despite having a difficult season on the field. Norris is sticking with the program and his coaches' message of unity:
The message Neuheisel, and his coaching staff, sent to the Bruins after the (ASU) loss was one of unity. It was the same message delivered several other times this season, and it is being received. "We just have to keep fighting. That's all we can do," Bruins cornerback Michael Norris said. "We'll never be divided, because that's poison to a team. That's cancer. We're not going to let that happen." Well, I think it would be a good idea to take the cue from Norris and rest of our players and stick with them and our entire team this week. I am not asking that we need to go all rah rah and delude ourselves re. our chances next Saturday. But at the same time, that doesn't mean we concede this game. GO BRUINS.
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Let them talk all they want
They still have to win on Saturday. Yes, we’ll be huge underdogs. Yes, we’ll most likely get dominated.
But this is what everyone said the week before McNeal picked Booty, before the Bruins denied the trOJans a return trip to the title game, before 13-9 happened.
So let the MSM look ahead to the Rose Bowl and lament “poor ol’ U$C” for having to be “stuck” with the Rose Bowl (if people can’t see the arrogance of the trOJans now, then they’re blind or a few brain cells short). Let the little bandwagon fans and chicken littles proclaim the sky is falling.
Even if we do get blown out by the trOJans, who cares? It’ll suck. We all hate losing to those assholes. But in the long run, CRN has changed the momentum of this program and with time, we’ll be the ones challenging them for the Pac-10 title.
13-9. Don’t stop believing.
by Bellerophon on Nov 30, 2008 10:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is this the rock bottom? In short, No.
I went to South on Wilshire last night, while ordering a drink I found myself standing next to a guy in a $C jersey so naturally I started a conversation with him. He asked me what I thought about next Saturday. I told him that our offense is so bad that I expect their team to score more on defense than on offense. I also said that our coaching staff was experienced and that a turn around will begin right after this season ends. After the end of our conversation I wished his team the worst of luck next week. We have the pieces in place to turn it around, of that I have faith.
The rock bottom of our program came when we lost to winless Notre Dame last year. That was the very nadir of our program. We had a high pre season ranking which was squandered by inept coaching to two bad teams in Utah and ND.
I’m still going to the game next week although I plan to be very very very drunk. It’s the only way I can take losing to those A holes.
Victory or until next year!
by ncrpz2 on Nov 30, 2008 11:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
As the years go by..
..all of this will seem like CBH’s first season at UCLA.
This team endured some pretty bad beaks this year and, while we will probably end up 4-8, there is something different about the attitude this year from last. You gotta believe that CRN and the staff will be out to get another quality class next year..
..and it’ll only keep getting better and better.
God, it's great to be a Bruin!
by WHP '68 on Nov 30, 2008 12:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Character Game
Even though SUC is predicted to roll over us, I know our team and coaching staff is not coming onto the field meekly waiting for the slaughter. They will fight and they will not hide from the trojies. Rick will not concede anything to the cross-town crooks. This game is more a test of character than ability and will speak volumes for the future of our program. Hopefully, Big Ben can get a cameo appearance. He deserves to be on the big stage one last time. And despite K-Craft’s mucho miscues, I’m rooting for the kid to take it to the trojies. He has been knocked down silly so many times but just keeps getting back up.
by bruin75 on Nov 30, 2008 12:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Reading that BRO thread of posts . . .
made me gag in my throat. I had to fight hard to keep it down.
“Lay down? Be careful you might get hurt? What kind of talk is that Wyatt?” Tombstone, 1993
“We don’t fight to win! We fight to let them know we will fight .” Braveheart, 1995 (paraphrased)
My point is this, I don’t care how bad it looks. You fight because the alternative is worse. You fight because in the end the fight is all we have. The epic struggle against our nemesis and within ourselves. We fight the urge to take the easy way out. Fight or Flight? Always Fight. Always. Never question that.
Try this. I get a lot of “talk” from the Trojans and Trojan sympathizers in my life. And every year, it looks this bad and, I’ll say,
“It may not be much, but at least we have a chance.”
Trojan: “You have no chance” or something to that effect.
Me: “Sure we do. We have that one chance for just showing up.”
Trojan: “Nope. You have a snowball’s chance in Hell.” or something to that effect.
Me: “You don’t think we have one chance in a hundred?”
Trojan: “Not even that.”
Me: OK, I’ll bet you at 100-1 odds. We’ll bet my $10 to your $1,000 or, if you’re really sure of yourself, we can bet my $100 to your $10,000
Trojan: Dumb Look followed by “No. we can bet straight up.”
Me: “So, You don’t really believe that sh!t you’re talking if you can’t back it up. Because if you really believed it, you wouldn’t have a problem betting money you aren’t going to lose anyway.”
It never fails.
A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden
by MexiBruin on Nov 30, 2008 5:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Craft versus Clausen or Carpenter??
Craft makes his share of mistakes, but look at Clausen against SC or Carpenter against our D. Clausen 2 years running ND’s offense after being #1 coming out of high school and Carpenter running ASU for 3 years. I am not saying Kevin is so good, but Cowan wasnt’ that good (stat-wise) except it was 13-9. So, if we punt the ball on first down everytime, it could be 0-0. Seriously, if Kevin throws to the right team, anything can happen. Our D will be ready.
Go Bruins!!!
by whittier71 on Nov 30, 2008 7:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A long time ago
we lost our starting QB, Gary Beban, to a broken ankle the week before the justsc game. They were sure to win. We had no chance. We shouldn’t even show up. Some poor schlub named Norman Dow got shoved into action. So we lost, were humiliated, and we all jumped off a cliff. Well, no. We went ahead and played the game, and Dow put together two TD’s and justsc only got one and we won.
Then there was this fourth string QB named John Barnes ….
by Fox 71 on Nov 30, 2008 8:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Fox
for making remember I was young once.
Maybe, that’s why us Geezers won’t concede anything for Sat.
sjh
by Class of 66 on Dec 1, 2008 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Both classic and neo geezers
As I said above …after witnessing John Barnes in person … no conceding here.
by Nestor on Dec 1, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don't hafta be a geezer . . .
Okay, so at 48 I’m in line for my membership card, but think back to 1995 . . . the week before the justsc game our main TB (the other Karim?) goes down in the first series against the Huskies in the RB. Stricken, the team loses to a very beatable buncha dawgs, and enters the rivalry game in the Coliseum with a freshman QB and a back up TB. The score is 21- 0 Bruins before Robocoach 2.0 catches his breath from the tunnel trot – including a toss sweep option pass from McElroy to Kevin Jordan in his own Zip Code he’s so open. Or, for you other geezers in wating, “Nothing is over until WE decide that it is! Was it over when . . . the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NOOOOOOOO! . . . .”
The Mad Bruin
by lostnacfgop on Dec 2, 2008 6:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i have no problem
with all these media comments. first off, the big10 is a joke… every time they have sent their “champion” to a bowl game in recent memory, be it the rose bowl or a bcs game for that matter, they get punked. i’m sick of seeing michigan or ohio state (or, uh, penn state in this case) get smoked by a faster, more seasoned team. and yes, lets face it, that will likely happen again. few outside the pac10 have seen a D as good as the one usc has got.
From the standpoint of the pac10, i was hoping osu would have held their own against oregon. that would’ve meant 2 pac10 bcs teams, which means more money for all the schools…
and from the standpoing of usc, i think it is gotta be a disappointment to be stuck with the rose bowl. face it, they were one uninspired half of football against the beavs from being in the bcs title game talk. does this mean we don’t bother to play the game on saturday??? of course not…. we know what happened a couple years ago (13-9), and posts alluding to 1988 have already been made. during my time in westwood, i never experienced a loss to usc. my buddies and i let them know it, so now that the tables are reversed, i’m not gonna cry when the salt is rubbed back in our wounds. they are on top… and we have work to do. big deal. i am not so naive, nor is my ego so fragile, that i can’t take it. i know back when we were undefeated under toledo in ‘98 going into that ill- fated make up game against miami, we were looking at the rose bowl as a disappointment as well. and when we ended up there it showed, as we got run by a mediocre wisconsin team. our program unraveled and the rest is history. so i get it, and so i don’t blame usc for being unenthused.
but again, they still gotta get past us next saturday before they can make any kind of plans. go bruins.
by seattlebruin17 on Nov 30, 2008 9:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
About Penn St.
The Big-10 has taken a lot of abuse as of late. Not sure if it is warranted. As far as the statement that they are dominated by faster, more talented teams, one simply has to point to a down and out, got beat by Appalachian State, Michigan team victory over the powerful and speedy Florida team last year.
Penn St. will fight for Joe Pa. That will be a good game and a slug fest. I would love to see SUC go up against a real team, which Penn St. has proven to be. Ohio St. should not be the representative for the entire conference in people’s minds.
by Bruins102NCAA on Nov 30, 2008 11:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Saturday
All my long life, I have loved college football. Nothing that could happen at the Rose Bowl Saturday is going to change that. I know the Bruins are going to give all they have. I hate losing to the despicable Trojans with their arrogance and sense of entitlement, but, if we do lose, which, in a fit of near-insanity, I am unable to concede at this moment, it will only make victory sweeter when, inevitably, it does come. The only remaining problem is to figure how how we are going to win without scoring.
by ReineSeite on Nov 30, 2008 10:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
K Craft v B Johnson
Craft has heart. End of discussion.
I Hate $c, Go Bruins.
greg in denver - UCLA guy for life
by gbruin on Dec 1, 2008 8:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You guys are too doom and gloom
Remember last year, when the puny Stanford Cardinal brought down USC? That was 10 times the upset Oregon State was this year. Anything can happen.
by captainqtp on Dec 1, 2008 4:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We are too doom and gloom?
Did you get the point of my post?
by Nestor on Dec 1, 2008 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Should have clarified..
some of the commentors, not the OP :)
by captainqtp on Dec 9, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Go for it Saturday!
Anything can happen on Rivalry Week— I hope the Bruins take it to the arrogant Trojans on Saturday!!! A win would salvage a disappointing season and give you bragging rights— which my team surrendered Saturday (oh the agony).
I am hoping for big Bruin upset. I’ve never quite recovered from the ass kicking we received from USC several years ago (63-3). I’ve hated them ever since.
Go Bruins!
by OSU fan on Dec 1, 2008 11:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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