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I usually do not discuss politics on the internet, but I felt that as Bruins, we can feel some pride in that one of us helped paved the way for this historical time. Last night and this morning, I thought about Jackie Robinson and how far we have come since 1947.

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Well Done, 'babe.

I thought about the great Jackie Robinson last night, too.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Nov 5, 2008 12:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's true

and it’s also so much bigger! It’s just amazing.

by tasser10 on Nov 5, 2008 3:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

People that make me proud to be a Bruin

John Wooden is the obvious one, but as entwined and synonymous with our great university as he is, he is not an alumnus. The alumnus that makes me the proudest is Jackie Robinson, because while he was able to make a statement through sport, his accomplishments went far beyond the playing field.

by Tydides on Nov 5, 2008 3:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jackie Robinson and Others

Don’t forget the late Ralph Bunche, after whom Bunche Hall is named.

Portlandbruin

by portlandbruin on Nov 5, 2008 4:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You Know,

Somewhere in the post-election media frenzy, CNN showed something that depicted Arthur Ashe as one of Obama’s personal heroes…

I’m sorry I didn’t pay closer attention to the interviewer…

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by Bruingirl83 on Nov 6, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agreed too, but then

truthfully speaking, UCLA is not the only institution that produces stellar Afro American athletes whose contributions on and off the field cumulatively led to the epical event last night. Plenty other unsung heroes deserve the accolades too.

by Htse005 on Nov 5, 2008 7:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jackie Robinson thread

Yes, but for a West Coast school, UCLA was way ahead of the curve. Lew Alcindor, aka Kareem Abdul Jabbar, picked UCLA largely because of its reputation with the likes of Bunche and Robinson. Just one more thing to be proud of…

by portlandbruin on Nov 5, 2008 8:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

In all honesty,

There would have been no Jackie Robinson without a Declaration of Independence, a Bill of Rights or a 14th & 15th amendment.

The fact that our founders only took liberty so far is our greatest failing as a nation. Had we embraced individual freedom from the very start and had we had the courage at the outset we could have avoided the peculiar institution of slavery and all the horrible baggage that came with it.

All in all though, within the framework of what actually was you are correct bruinbabe. A very astute observation.

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 6, 2008 6:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well, the founders' greatest achievement

was knowing that they didn’t have it exactly right, and allowing amendments to the Constitution.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Nov 6, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You Are 100% Correct, Tasser

The founders knew better than to create a static, rigid document. They wanted a foundation that would live, and breathe.

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by Bruingirl83 on Nov 6, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not forget

Our Constitution was adopted in 1787. The First French Republic was declared in 1792.

In the intervening 216 years since the birth of republican France, our Constitution has endured. France, on the other hand, is now only 50 years into the Fifth French Republic.

It may not be perfect, but our Constitution has endured time and the Founding Fathers should be praised for the foresight to allow it to grow, flex, and evolve (while remaining true to the core principles) as time passed.

by Bellerophon on Nov 7, 2008 6:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Zut alors!

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Nov 8, 2008 8:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with our "greatest failing as a nation"

The founders knew the southern states would not join a union of states if they abolished slavery right away. The best they could do was plant the seeds for slavery’s end in the Declaration of Independence with comments such as “all men are created equal”.

If the founders had tried to abolish slavery right away, then the southern states wouldn’t have joined and there would have been no chance in defeating the British, at that point in time. It’s pretty obvious in hind-sight that the British would have eventually been thrown out, but it’s also very likely that this country would currently be at least 2 separate countries between the north and the south. In that situation, it is very likely that slavery would have lasted much, much longer in the south than it did. Let’s not forget that it was the north that really forced the end of slavery.

The greatest failing on this continent was certainly allowing slavery, but we can’t blame the founders for not abolishing it in 1776.

Just my thoughts.

by bornagainbruin on Nov 6, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To Seanny Rotten & bornagainbruin

If only my gradute school History professor talked remotely like you two gentlemen did, I would not have dropped out of his seminar midway through the semester, and ultimately the PHD program in favor of another academic field.

The institution of slavery and the antebellum South fascinated me. I got to meet in person Roots’ author Alex Haley when he came for a paid lecture on campus then.

by Htse005 on Nov 6, 2008 11:06 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I really wish that you could have taken a course with my Con History prof

Extremely bright guy, with an interesting take on that period of our nation’s history. If you have any interest in 20th century civil rights/racial history, I strongly recommend his book on the era; a somewhat revisionist theory in terms of the judicial role in desegregation, but regardless a great, if disturbing look at the history.

by bruinhoo on Nov 7, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Timing

I find the timing somewhat ironic that February 12, 2009 happens to be the 200th anniversary of the birth of our greatest President, and emancipator, Abraham Lincoln. I think it’s amazing that the President of our Country at that moment happens to be an African American. I am so proud to be an American.

by RandBruin on Nov 6, 2008 2:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I, Too, Admire Abraham Lincoln, But...

he did say,

I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing
about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black
races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or
jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry
with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical
difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever
forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.
And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there
must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other
man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.
I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is
to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."
Abraham Lincoln
Source: September 18, 1858 – Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas
at Charleston, Illinois

Context is always important in history, too.

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by Bruingirl83 on Nov 6, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't count me as a Lincoln supporter.

Some (not just Southerners) would argue he was awful. Here are a couple more entire books on the matter, here and here.

by Seanny Rotten on Nov 6, 2008 6:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I never cease to be amazed at the breadth of the subjects discussed here

I thought Lincoln was actually Henry Fonda, and that he walked on water. Hmm. I guess I’ll actually have to think about things.

by Fox 71 on Nov 7, 2008 4:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lincoln was an incredibly complex figure

The strategic considerations which shaped his domestic and war policies were far deeper than what is commonly thought in this country. I had the pleasure of taking a year-long course on Constitutional History while in law school which took a very detailed look at Lincoln, as well as the national political scene at both ends of his presidency.

by bruinhoo on Nov 7, 2008 11:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And McCain got a kiss from Bush on the cheek

Some will do or say anything to get elected…there are no angels in the higher echelons of power.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Nov 7, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In addition

Obama accepts the Democratic nomination on the 45th anniversary of MLK’s “I Have a Dream” speech. He will take office five days after what would have been MLK’s 80th birthday (and the day after it’s national observance).

by bruinbabe2000 on Nov 7, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If indeed the guy gave McCain a peck on his cheek

It’s a kiss of death ! No seriously, nothing McCain did any differently would have forstalled the tsunami of change the American electorate clamored for and resoundingly accomplished.

Let’s hope he delivers because the pressure on him to succeed will be horrendously harsh one minute past inauguration.

by Htse005 on Nov 7, 2008 10:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Disagree slightly

I think he’ll have a longer honeymoon than usual, because he’s got the same values and agenda as the journalists and alleged journalists who will be talking about what he does. But he will also get the benefit of the upswing of the economy (which would have happened no matter who got elected. Frankly, I can’t conceive of anything that he is likely to do that will cause the national media to turn on him. And of course, he still has his trump card to play – he can issue an Executive Order outlawing the BCS and instituting a playoff.

by Fox 71 on Nov 7, 2008 9:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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