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Dealing With Reality

It was easy to project during off season what a difficult year we were going to experience this season. That doesn't mean it's easy to go through a rebuilding season.

This is not fun:

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Photo Credit: AP Photo/Jeff Lewis (via ESPN)

Bruins suffer what IMHO is the most deflating loss since the Arizona game earlier in the season. After playing a tough first half in which the defense came up with one big play after another, the team falls apart in the second half largely due to another atrocious day for the offense.

Beavers win by a score of 34-6. Here is the box score if you care to look.

Right now the biggest question in all of our minds is why can't our young guys get more opportunities on offense. I don't get why Derrick Coleman isn't getting more carries despite having better numbers and looking healthier and more productive than Bell on the field? And as horrific as Forcier looked when he got in, I think it is time for Chow and Neuheisel to give him more reps during practice. He can't play any worse than how Craft has played last two games. Can he?

Not a lot of silver linings out of this game. The defense was perhaps the only bright spot despite Michael Norris's ugly day. They were intense and they did everything they could to keep us in the game until the dam broke in the second half.

Also big ups to 83,000+ (according to the annoucers at least) who showed up for this game. That tells us a lot of UCLA football fans who are sticking with our team in what is turning out to be one of the most difficult seasons (which wasn't unexpected) in the history of our program. Our day will come ... but right now it's pretty clear we have a long way go. That's just the reality after five years of Karl Dorrell destroying this program.

Anyway, we are not going to give up. There is a shot we can regain the lost momentum from last three weeks, by pulling out a win next weekend on the road. It is going to be tough against another beaten up program which will be emotionally fired up given the circumstances around that game, but we will have a shot if we can somehow sustain our fight and tenacity for an entire game. Onward.

GO BRUINS.

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Hope for the future?

I sincerely hope there is a better future. My mind says yes. There is a terrific coaching staff (at least on paper). There are better underclassmen in the program. Incoming recruits seem to be a higher quality that outgoing seniors. However, there is this gnawing doubt that exists everytime I see Craft in the game. I understand that there is NO offensive line. I understand there is NO speed and little talent at all the skill positions. Nevertheless, seeing Craft play 36 quarters and knowing he is just as bad now as he was in the first gives me pause. Similarly, seeing Norris play and realizing as a senior he is just as bad as he was as a seldom used underclassmen gives me pause. I pray we are not seeing coaches who fall in love with a player and plays him regardless of talent, mistakes…Playing Craft every quarter does allow doubt to creep into my overall positive view for the future. Playing Norris every down similarly gives me pause. I know one thing, as much as I hope for better days, if I see Craft starting in 09 or an untalented upper classmen starting on defense in 09, all bets are off….

by Gary72 on Nov 8, 2008 7:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

The hands down biggest problem for this team is the offensive line. the O-line can make a terrible QB look good or a Heisman winner look like a high-schooler. Craft is not the problem. Period. He is the best we have, accept that. He is better than Forcier or he wouldn’t be in the game. Our receivers are good, we actually have some good players at skill positions on offense, but there is no way Sam Bradford or Chase Daniel could play QB back there with the little time our O-line would give them.
On Defense, Norris was a dud today. But I would not lay this on coaches failing to develop him during this season or sticking with him out of favoritism. He is just, sadly, the best option at that position at this time. Our coaching staff has made strides this season with what personnel we have, and they have shown a determination to play the best players on the roster regardless of tenure. I think that Coleman has been doing well, but his season average for yards per carry is skewed a bit due to a few long runs in the WSU game I believe. I think it is a bit of a toss up back there right now, and when it is a toss up you go with experience.
Craft has improved, but the O-line is just woefully undersized and there is nothing he can do about that. He wasn’t even able to make it back for a 3 step drop today, more like 1.5 and lob it up. I know the commentators harped on his decision making on third down, but did they ever once point out an open man past the sticks that he could have thrown to? If he had done that everyone would have given him a hard time about throwing dangerous passes. I honestly thought today was a halfway decent day for him at QB, just an even worse than usual day for the O-line.
I know I have rambled a bit, but trust the coaches. They have been doing a good job with the hand they have been dealt. Craft isn’t the key problem, he is just the face of the offense (which just goes with being the QB). Norris cost us a LOT today, but who would you put in instead? Coleman is neck and neck with Bell, maybe we will see him get more reps as the season winds down. We are pretty much assuredly out of bowl contention now so maybe we see some more risky play in the next few games, I dunno. But trust the coaches.

by sponkey21 on Nov 8, 2008 7:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

83,000 fans

They seemed to count the I’m Going to College people. It was good to have a lot of the little kids cheering on third downs, though, even if they didn’t pay to get in.

by SuperBruinMan on Nov 8, 2008 9:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hate to beat a dead horse

But I will anyway. Absolutely amazing to me just how far down KD took this program and how many years he set it back.
Can you imagine if DG had elected to continue with him another year?
My goodness.

by OldSage on Nov 8, 2008 10:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Catharsis

Alright, I need a forum to vent my frustrations. I live in Newport Beach, which is unfortunately a dirty cesspool of Trojan pseudofandom. My cardinal and gold "friends" love to give me a hard time this time of year as I am often subjected to constant text messages reminding me of how bad our Bruins are losing on the gridiron. Of course, once basketball season comes along their collective ego’s tend to become a little less inflated as my pride begins to swell up with a healthy sense of vicarious achievement. However, I’m sick of WAITING for basketball season to come along to feel the blue and gold goodness that should be persistently propagating bruin infused dopamine surges.

I should note before I really begin to vent my frustrations that I am a big fan and believer in CRN and his "dream team" football staff. I have also been impressed with the positive momentum that we have been building on the recruiting trail (although I would love to see us as players in the national recruiting scene – attracting 5 star recruits with regularity). Nonetheless, I tend to find myself questioning (my wife might say screaming) several decisions that this coaching staff makes each week. For starters (pun intended), why on earth is Kevin Craft still starting for this team. He has no future as a quarterback at a D-1 college – so it’s not like we should be grooming him for next year. I also can’t believe that we would be much worse off having Forcier behind center (who may have a future – and is definitely blessed with more God given talent). At least Forcier might infuse some life into this sagging offense (he has the legs and elusiveness to make something out of nothing – whereas Craft generally achieves nothing out of nothing). If we are going to be a below average team – shouldn’t we start thinking about next year and develop our young talent? I like that we have been using some of our athletic young athletes (Ayers, Jones, Moutra, Coleman, Embree, etc) – but I’m not sure why Craft continues to be an anathema to this team. I also wish that Dean would get some time on the offense as it would be a deleterious blow to lose him and any recruiting status that we may have established in the fecund football talent bed that is Texas.

I also have issues with Walker – whose defense seems to play really well for about 75% of games. Perhaps any defense would become increasingly less crisp if it had to be on the field as much as our defense is. Just the same, there seems to be at least a couple defensive series each week where tackling, discipline, positioning, or effort seems to be poor – and it leads to a relatively easy score for the opposition. The great teams do not execute 75% of the time. Could you imagine Howland’s defense being sound for 75% of the game? I think whatever hair he has remaining on his scalp would fall right off.

Additionally, the special teams has not been what I had expected. It seems that the opposing team consistently starts off with better than average field position off of kickoffs. Our punt defense seems slow to get down the field – and our return game is unspectacular to say the least. We knew our offense was going to struggle – but the uninspired efforts we didn’t. I can’t stand watching Kevin Craft (the human momentum killer as he is known in my household) continue to make bad decisions. Could we honestly say that he has shown any improvements over the course of the year?

Alright – I need to run because I have plans to go out. It would be nice to leave with the glow that accompanies a UCLA victory – but I’ll manage nonetheless. Last comment – I am passionate about UCLA sports and I believe that our football team should be in the upper echelon of teams (top 10 – 15) teams annually. I don’t want Jim Harrick level success in football (which was a threat to be a top 25 team each year). I want Howland level success (which is a threat to go to the Final Four each year). I believe that CRN has the passion, talent, ambition, and resources to get us there – but days like today sure are tough to swallow. I am definitely more confident with CRN at the helm than KD – and it will be nice to see some of the aggressive coaching decisions that he makes pay off as the coaching triumvirate brings us some meaningful victories. Unfortunately, the talent level of our coaches far exceeds the talent level of our players – and that is not a good portent to success (nothing against the UCLA football players – it’s not their fault – but some of them are not fit to be on a division 1 football team that is hoping to compete at the highest level).

Eventually, we will see the talent level of the players blend together perfectly with the schemes and ideologies of our respective coaches. When that day comes – you better believe that my “friends” in Cardinal and Gold will feel the wrath and fury of a Bruin gone wild with text messaging fever. Until that day – I want to thank Bruins Nation for being there for me – as a place to expurgate myself of the catastrophic lowliness that accompanies a Kevin Craftian (again, nothing personal) defeat.

by freudianslip on Nov 8, 2008 10:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Is it March yet?

I’m ready for some winning.

Tinman

by Tinman17 on Nov 9, 2008 12:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

my sister is a freshman at marymount high school

so my dad spent his saturday night driving her and some friends to the loyola v. notre dame game. I knew he was probably having a fairly miserable time out there but i had a smile on my face when i got a text that said “Neuheisel just showed up”

I know we’re in good hands.

O.A.

by Ollie on Nov 9, 2008 2:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Unacceptable

That may have been the worst performance by a UCLA offense that we have ever witnessed. After a bye week , at home, we do not get in the end zone once. Is there a trick play in the playbook? If conventional plays don’t work wouldn’t you try something unconventional? Obviously we are not going to win any games, except next week hopefully, play some youngsters and let’s get a jump on next season. There won’t be any bowl game practices to develop them. We all have accepted that we will be bad this year but Bruin fans will want to be entertained next year. This honeymoon is over by the end of next September if the team performs in any way, shape or form like this next season.

While I’m venting, the people getting off on the defense are just off base. When you are always playing from behind you are not as good, period. I felt real bad for Brigham Harwell yesterday. He could see his senior season going up in smoke. He played his butt off. Lastly, it was good to see how patient the crowd was being and not piling on the team.

by BruinAl on Nov 9, 2008 7:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Uhm

Given the hole we are in … we will probably have tough games next year as well. It will not be as bad as this season, but next year will not be a picnic either. Next year the goal will be to get into a bowl game. That will amount to progress just like it was a step in the right direction when Howland took the hoops team in the first round of the tourney in his second year.

If you are going to rant like this … without a grasp of the big picture … you will have to do it somewhere else because that stuff will be “unacceptable” here on BN.

by Nestor on Nov 9, 2008 8:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A couple of points

I won’t focus on what everyone else has said. We all know how bad the line is, the talent gap, etc.

1) Oregon State is a really good team. They are not a fluke. They should have beat us and did.

2) The good news is the win keeps SUC from being in first place in the conference. At this point it is Oregon State, so lets all root for them the rest of the way.

3) RECRUITING IS KEY- CRN inherited a team with some pretty big holes. I do not expect this team to be good until 2010, but I do expect it to be better next year.

4) I still don’t believe you can expect a defense to keep people out of the end zone for 60 minutes when you turn the ball over all the time and have zero offensive production. You need balance to be successful in football, and one side of the ball will always falter at some point if you don’t have production from the other side

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Nov 9, 2008 8:11 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeap

You said it. I don’t expect us to make a run at least till 2010. I think a bowl bid next year will be good enough in terms of signs of progress.

Agree with every single points.

by Nestor on Nov 9, 2008 8:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The D Played Well For Much of the Game

You are right — all year, our D has been less of the field to defend. Weak kick offs and turnovers have put the D in some difficult spots.

We were in this game for the entire first half.

With the exception of a couple of huge pass plays against us — and IIRC they were on 3rd downs, we were hanging tough.

Take out the long (37 yard?) TD run at the end of the game, and we did a great job against their running game.

We still do not show much pass rush — and that’s a real problem. As I mentioned in another post, ALL D backs will have trouble if they have to cover a receiver tight for 5 or 6 seconds.

I don’t recall a sack. Did we get one?

But, there were two plays in which we would have had sacks had the SPTR’s not allowed the OSU QB to ground the ball intentionally without penalty.

(I’ve not read the game day thread, yet, so I may be wrong on those calls but they looked bad to me from the stands.)

Everyone knows that I have not been a huge DW fan. But, I am warming up to him. I sit near one of my pledge brothers from many, many years ago. He’s very active in the Orange County Bruins. I asked him what he thought of Walker and he was strongly supportive. There may be more there than I’ve been seeing. If CRN saw it, it must be there.

We lost a game to a better team — but not without playing tough for most of the game.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Nov 9, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

just like to

throw out an apology for my negativity yesterday. Nestor’s right, we’re in for some tough times this year and next, but we need to stay positive. And yesterday, I was just having a tough day and the frustrations of watching our team struggle like they did just pushed me over.

Anyway, of course I’m behind this team and believing in a victory for every game, no matter the opponent. Hopefully we can put some stuff together this week and go get UW on saturday.

Go Bruins

by bucknellbruin on Nov 9, 2008 8:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

bucknell

No apologies necessary.

Game threads are emotional. We all get caught up in it. Please keep coming with your takes. I am sure I am not the only one who learns a lot from them.

The funny thing is I pretty much agree with all of your observations from last night. My only point was three weeks is a long time in college football … and things are always different when we get ready for Southern Cal.

by Nestor on Nov 9, 2008 8:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Game Day Thread

I just read the game day thread and really didn’t find anything “negative” in it.

What I read was frustration not anger, not negativism.

Living in Exile, I’m usually with my thread brothers and sisters on game day. Being at the game yesterday made clear to me how much easier it is to be relentlessly optimistic when one is at the game and can see things like the bench cheering the on field players and imploring them to do well. Mabye if I could bring myself to follow Fox’s advice and turn off the sound on the TV I’d be better off — because sitting in the stands and hearing the commentary of real Bruins makes the entire experience far more positive.

Bucknell, at some level we all share your concerns about the sc game — but take it from all of us who have been around a long time, we will go into that game with a sincere belief that we will beat sc because we’ve seen it happen before.

As Geezer in training 83 said — when it comes to sc, we concede nothing.

Stick with us Geezers kid, we are going to “will” this team to victory.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Nov 9, 2008 11:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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