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Ben Ball Roundup: Some Early Season Data Points

Ben Ball warriors get back into action tomorrow night against LMU. I thought with 8 games in this conference season it would be interesting to look through some of the early season numbers. Let’s start on the defensive side.

Take a look at our adjusted efficiency on defense and national ranking in parenthesis 8 games into this season and compared that to the numbers from Coach Howland’s previous five seasons in Westwood:

Adjusted Efficiency/Defense

2009: 91.0 (54)
2008: 83.9 (3)
2007: 84.0 (2)
2006: 85.1 (3)
2005: 94.8 (58)
2004: 98.1 (116)

I think we should just throw away the numbers from 2004 at this point because that was for all intent and purpose a throwaway season. So if we strike 2004 out, what do we get? Our early season defensive statistics look comparable to the number from 2005. A possible explanation? Could it be that this team with 5 freshmen and three seniors is going through the same adjustment issues the 2005 team was going through following the arrival of AA, JF, JS, and LM? I think as this team continue to develop, our defensive numbers will continue to tick down while our national rankings might continue to tick up.

Meanwhile, in the department of adjusted efficiency on offense take a look at the following stats because this might cause heads of some of the concern trolls constantly whining about Howland’s offense to explode:

Adjusted Efficiency/Offense

2009: 119.1 (10)
2008: 119.7 (7)
2007: 116.8 (23)
2006: 113.0 (28)
2005: 107.0 (79)
2004: 102.1 (142)

Hmm. Again I will start with striking out the stat from 2004 for the same reason mentioned above.

So after all the whining and concern trolling we have read both in the traditional media and sprinkled here and there in message boards, right now the Ben Ball warriors have the 10th best offensive team in the country. They are putting up these numbers early in the season despite losing three stars to the NBA draft and with lot more room to grow. Again, just something to keep in mind when the drive by bandwagoners hit our comment threads following rare losses (in this season’s case and they are increasingly looking like losses to good to very good teams).

I also wanted to wade through our roster stats/playing time a bit. Bruinhoo put up a terrific post re. the min breakdown in this early pre-season showing how the minute allocation among our Ben Ball warriors haven’t totally settled in yet. In terms of min. allocation right now four starters – DC, JS, JH and AA2 – are firmly entrenched as they are averaging 26+ mins per game. AA2’s early season performance has been refreshing as he has not only putting up career high numbers in pts (8.4) and rebounds (5.8), but more importantly giving Coach Howland what he exactly wanted before the season: 27 mins per game.

The interesting issue right now is the min. allocation for the 5th starter. Right now it’s JK who is the 5th starter averaging about 21.3 mins per game. The guy who is cutting into most of his mins is ND averaging about 17.0 mins per game. Here are the stat comparisons between the two forwards:

 

PTS

REB

AST

TO

A/T

STL

BLK

PF

FG%

FT%

3P%

JK

4.8

4.8

0.3

0.8

1/3

0.6

0.1

2.3

.500

.200

.364

ND

6.1

2.1

1.0

1.0

1/1

0.0

0.4

1.7

.439

.500

.208

Right now ND is averaging a bit more than JK in scoring and shooting better at the FT line. However, JK is productive around the boards and is more efficient offensive player. No doubt JK has been horrific from the FT line early this season, but that is something he will most likely improve on if he gets more chances. I also get the impression from what I have seen early this season JK’s intensity level is higher in terms of going after lose balls and also being more familiar with the scheme of Howland’s offense. Certainly JK is lot more judicious in his selection of outside shots, and he has started the previous three games hot. Now it would be interesting to see how these two players compare when Howland and his staff release their mid-season hustle stats for the entire team which tracks among other things offensive boards, taking charges, you know the little parts of the game that makes up a prototypical Ben Ball warrior.

Keep in mind though there might be another X-factor emerging at the 4 spot. While JK has been averaging 22 mins per game in last two outings, ND actually only got 14 mins v. DePaul and 13 against CSUN. Who else got more bite of those invaluable mins? Drew Gordon. DG got 16 mins v. CSUN and another 11 against DePaul and he was fairly productive during those appearances. So keep an eye on how CBH continues to divvy up those mins at the 4 spot.

Also noteworthy is MR’s steady play early this season. MR is averaging almost 45% from the 3 pt line and shooting 50% over all. He is getting just 15 mins per game but he is making the most out of it also posting a very solid 2.2/1 A/T ratio. I personally would love to see CBH shave another 3-5 mins from JS’s time (26.6 mins per game) and increase the mins for MR and also perhaps give ML more opportunities in these last few games during the non conference season.

Anyway, its fun to see how the identity of this team is slowing shaping up. And while the team is evolving observers in the traditional media are throwing up all kinds of nonsense. For i.e. check out the gibberish from Dan Webber in the Press Enterprise (who is probably covering the UCLA beat, subbing for Kevin Pearson) following the DePaul game. Dan was all excited to discover that Ben Ball warriors can do some running and gunning:

It allows them to rebound better with its emphasis on running and getting lanes to the baskets and quckness off the floor rather than the lean Bruins trying to stand and push and establish their positions on the floor.

And other teams can't send extra people to the boards. They better keep somebody back or risk giving up a layup.

It keeps Collison from ever again walking the ball up the floor while other teams set up their defenses. No more 64-59 yawners like the Miami (Ohio) game earlier when all the UCLA offense consisted of was either Collison or Shipp dribbling around until one got a jumper or the other drove to the basket.

Dribble, dribble, dribble.

Ugh.

In that game, the Bruins had a total of five assists.

They had five guys on the floor who looked like they each had their own team.

This is far better. This way has a future.

LOL. The future!! He is so excited!

What Dan forgets is how important it is for every high profile team to also get used to playing slow down, half course game. After all time after time our team has had to pull out slowdown nailbiters in NCAA second round games vs. teams like Texas A&M and Alabama. That close, heart stopping game against Miami (OH) might have been "boring" to these pundits, but IMHO those are the kind of games that get a young team ready for the close games with lot more on the line later in the season. The beauty of Howland’s out of conference season scheduling is that he gets his players accustomed to all style of play heading into the conference season so that they can get ready for Bennett’s Washington State or whatever other flavor of the month from rest of the conference.

Speaking of the conference, Luke Wynn from SI.com who is usually pretty good when it comes to his basketball commentary, launched a scud this week:

UCLA is probably the league's best all-around squad, but that's not saying much; the Bruins already flopped against Michigan and lost at Texas. Unless swingman Josh Shipp becomes a go-to guy to complement point guard Darren Collison, and a few of the Bruins' freshmen step up, the gap between Ben Howland's boys and 'Zona, ASU and USC is minuscule.

No where in Luke’s column he added how the Dukees, the darling of the Eastern Sports Eastablishment also "flopped" against the same Wolverines when they took on them for the second time this season.

In a way it’s kind of fun to see these kinds of comments coming out now. You take that comment about gap closing and the public, on the record rhetoric coming out of Tucson about how the Cats under an interim coach can beat sweep UCLA, it will certainly get our Ben Ball warriors more fired up than ever.

GO BRUINS.

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Good catch and good analysis, N

I think you have actually compared apples with apples, and have come up with a good explanation for the numbers.

But naturally I still have a bone to pick. Is there an explanation for “adjusted efficiency on defense” and “adjusted efficiency on offense” that would be understandable to someone who did not win the Nobel Prize in physics, and who still doesn’t get what is happening on “Fringe.” The fact that I don’t know what those concepts mean does not mean that Nestor’s analysis is incorrect. Assuming that they are the same year over year, I think he’s onto something.

by Fox 71 on Dec 16, 2008 8:06 AM PST reply actions  

Easist way to think about it

Is points scored/given up per 100 possessions. This way you eliminate problems with some teams playing faster and slower than others, which is the drawback of using points per game as a metric. You can see purely how good we are at putting up/preventing points on any given possession by using the efficiency method, which is the whole point of offense and defense in the first place.

As for the similarities between this year’s team and 05, this team from a pure experience standpoint is very close to 05. I’m actually quite surprised that we continue to be efficient offensively given the new parts we’re trying to fit in place. The defense I’m not all that surprised about, especially when we insert freshmen into some of our more lopsided games and they struggle on the defensive side of the ball. I think one thing that seperates this freshman class from some of CBH’s others is that this class has more raw offensive talent than previous incoming classes. Prior to this, Farmar and Love are the only two I would think to describe as offensive talent whereas this year I would put that tag on all of the frosh except Gordon. CBH plans to teach these young guys defense, and when they pick it up, we should see our defensive efficiency go up.

One thing we have going for us over ‘05 is that our veteran talent now is far superior and I would call the freshman impact between the two squads even, which is no knock on ’08, it’s just that Farmar-AA-Shipp-Mata played A LOT of minutes that year as freshmen and so far only Holiday does the same.

by Tydides on Dec 16, 2008 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Efficiency vs Tempo

Using the same source, we’re 10th in offensive efficiency, however we’re 290th in adjusted tempo. So the casual fan that wants to see their players run up and down the court is going to be disappointed. The fan that wants to see their team advance deep into the tournament year after year should be fine working within a proven system.

I’m actually surprised that our efficiency ranking is so high considering all of the turnovers we’ve had. Once we get that cleaned up and start taking better care of the ball, our efficiency should only improve.

by insomniacslounge on Dec 16, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting Info All Around, good work.

I would disagree with your sentiment about Luke Wynn’s piece, however. I agree, that UCLA’s loss to Michigan wasn’t exactly a flop—but it certainly was a reality check. With respect to the rest of Wynn’s block quote—I would say it is dead on based on where we are today. We could be the clear class of the league if Shipp and some freshman really shine, but if not, we’ll be the best by only a small margin.

We are getting better—for sure, but I’m not sure we have a “good” win yet, let alone any kind of “marquee” win. Miami (OH) could be considered a good win—they are 6-3 so far, but it is hard to say. That game was certainly important in that it gave us a great close game feel, but that doesn’t mean it was necessarily a “good” win, particularly since it was at home. We will get some good wins, of course.

Based on who we’ve played so far, I think Wynn’s objective hesitancy about our squad is warranted until we beat some good teams consistently. We have lost to the two best teams we’ve faced, even if they were both close.

Mercer is having a decent season, so that game (Saturday) will be a good test. And as has been pointed out many times, if we dominate the Pac-10, all will be fine.

by rfirpo on Dec 16, 2008 8:22 AM PST reply actions  

UCLA rotation and Morgan

Does anyone have an opinion on JMorgan? He is on the end of the bench, and is absent a lot…. He is a 5 start recruit…. Either the rating system is deeply flawed, or he has some issues the are not publicized. Attitude, lack of skills, still growing into his 6’10" height? Would be disappointed to see this guy opt out in a year. Maybe Fox 71 has this one figured out. I believe a Nobel prize is not needed here. Nestor?
Bill

BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on Dec 16, 2008 9:23 AM PST reply actions  

JMM

We have posted number of times how Howland thinks JMM needs to work on hedging on screens and also get in game shape. Nothing unusual for a freshman and doesn’t warrant making up conspiracy theories re. “attitude.” Also kind of ridiculous to get down on a “5 star” recruit after 8 games. Not everyone is KL.

We have been writing about this enough last few weeks. This shouldn’t be news.

by Nestor on Dec 16, 2008 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Morgan

He’s not in game shape yet. You can tell just by looking at him that it might take a little bit of time before he gets his conditioning and timing down. And hopefully with more practice learn the defensive side of the game more.

by UCLA4Life on Dec 16, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I actually think

he looks good when he is in. His offensive up-side is huge in my opinion. When he gets stronger, and better defensively, I think he will be great. This is one kid I’m not worried about.

by rfirpo on Dec 16, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you, rfirpo

Looking at “upside,” I’m quite impressed by J’mison. Once he gets in better shape, he’s going to be a beast.

It’s easy to forget, but when Kevin Love first arrived at UCLA, he was lost on defense too, and would frequently be replaced by Mata-Real in preseason games. As my memory serves, it wasn’t until January that Love started to get his conditioning and footwork where they needed to be.

…and Ryan Hollins was totally lost until March of his senior year. But once it all clicked for him, he was a key force in the Bruins advancing to their first Final Four. Hopefully, it won’t take Morgan that long to develop (remember that Hollins’ development had been thwarted by Lavin), but I think it’s ridiculous to give up on him this early.

by insomniacslounge on Dec 16, 2008 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

you're right

Love was benched in the stretch against Texas because of poor D iirc

by blinkshot on Dec 16, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

THANK YOU, insomniac...

Every time I read someone comparing JM—or any “new Bruin”— to KL, it seems like they have completely forgotten that in the early part of last season, KL was climbing up a learning curve, too KL was not in shape for a lot of consecutive minutes in 2007…even with our slowed up, root canal offense. JM is having to run a little harder to play at both ends than KL did.

BTW, I am very happy to see you back here. I have been thinking so much about your boy…I hope you don’t mind me asking, how is he?

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Dec 16, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't mind you asking at all

Tyler’s an amazing kid. He’s going through some pretty intense treatments right now, and while they’ve certainly taking their toll on him physically, he’s still emotionally/spiritually the same wonderful boy I’ve always known. He’s able to live in the moment and find joy in each day, and I’ve been trying to follow his lead and do the same.

He’s nowhere near out of the woods, so I won’t speak to any long term prognosis for his health, but I can say that I’m happy to have him today and will be thankful for each day thereafter.

I hope things are going well for you, and you find yourself surrounded by loved ones this holiday season.

by insomniacslounge on Dec 16, 2008 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Insomniac

I know we can go be aggressive in our back and forth. But just know Tyler is in all of our thoughts. Thanks for sharing his update … and you should always feel free to update all of us about him as much as you want.

by Nestor on Dec 16, 2008 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you

I do appreciate the support.

As for the back and forth: it’s perfectly fine with me if people express a difference of opinion, so no worries there. If I only hung out with people who agreed with me 100% of the time, I’d be a pretty lonely person.

by insomniacslounge on Dec 16, 2008 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

"Staying Relentlessly Positive"

I think of your words often. And this is one topic where we are all in 100% agreement with you.

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Dec 17, 2008 5:31 AM PST up reply actions  

And The Same To You,

I know that we are all rooting for Tyler just as hard as we root for our Bruins.

Thank you for the update, and my very best to you and your family. May the New Year bring you all renewed health and happiness.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Dec 19, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Stupid Media

The hoopla about how we are now a “running” team because we were fast-breaking against an awful, quick-shooting Depaul is as dumb as the usual diatribes about how we have no offense. Ever since 06-07 we’ve run against up-tempo, turnover-prone teams. We run when there’s somewhere to run to. When there isn’t, we try not to force it.

In the last three years we’ve had so many more “explosive” offensive performances than this last one. But since some columnists actually watched this game, and couldn’t think of anything else, out comes the stupid running breakthrough.

by bluebland on Dec 16, 2008 12:31 PM PST reply actions  

I think the Keefe ND debate is fairly intruiging

when it comes down to it i stay with Keefe because of defense and rebounds, JK always slides up on help defense and boxes out with authority. JK seems to show more hustle and intensity on the court and think its important for the freshman to see that that is what Ben Ball is all about, and playing the right way will earn you playing time.

O.A.

by Ollie on Dec 16, 2008 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

A No-Brainer

So long as ND continues to shoot 23% from the arc. He seems to be another one of those practice-only sharpshooters, like Brandon Lloyd.

by bluebland on Dec 16, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

ND Has Played Much Better This Year

With one very obvious lapse, where he didn’t go after a crucial free ball, he has hustled, run, played good D and done things he did not do consistently, last year.

I’m very pleasantly surprised by his game and CBH must see something, because he’s playing him a lot more.

That in no way denigrates JK, I think they are both making big contributions (although I wish JK would make his FT’s — when he goes to the line I age, and that’ not good for a Geezer.)

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 16, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Better, yes

But the reason he’s getting PT is because of depth issues more than anything. He’s still a general liability on defense, and he’s still woefully unreliable with open 3s on offense.

 When he can’t make his open shots he’s not really contributing out there, just filling in some minutes.

by bluebland on Dec 16, 2008 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

It would be interesting

to see how our Adjusted Efficiency/Offense compare to those teams that won the National Championships during 2005-2009

by brewinz on Dec 16, 2008 3:10 PM PST reply actions  

2005 UNC: O: 125.6 ( 1) D: 87.9 ( 6)
2006 Florida: O: 119.4 ( 2) D: 87.2 ( 5)
2007 Florida: O: 125.4 ( 1) D: 87.4 ( 12)
2008 Kansas: O: 125.3 ( 2) D: 82.8 ( 1)

by gradstudentbruin on Dec 16, 2008 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure there is more to draw from these stats

but what I see is that if you’re really good on offense and really good on defense, you should win.

by Fox 71 on Dec 16, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

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