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[UPDATED] Coach Neuheisel Schools Kenny (Turns Him Into Petey's Poodle)

The picture is starting to become a little clear now. I was wondering what was going on watching our last football game against Petey and his Trojans. You guys remember the whining coming from Petey, his coaches and his primadonna quarterback every time he was getting lit up by our defense? It was comedy. After all it was coming from a team which relishes illegal hits its thuggish linebackers on opposing QBs (while they are not allegedly beating up their fellow students on campus). The crying and whining was unseemly and it reflected the mentality of a program feeling insecure and under pressure.

Well reading today’s article few more times over it kind of makes sense. The whining that was coming from that last game is continuing, especially now that they are losing elite recruits to us and facing a head coach who is going all out to battle for recruits in LA. In response Norton responded with stupid, baseless comments (which will stand out as classless lies if Norton cannot disprove the assertions in CRN’s press release) in today’s LA Times via their obedient beat reporter lapping up everything coming out of Heritage Hall. Coach Neuehisel’s response to Kenny and Petey’s BS was pitch perfect example of how to school slap down hard amateur idiot on public relations.

I wonder if Norton made those allegations on his own and set up that interview with the Trojan beat reporter without consulting his head coach and the Trojan PR department. Based on the report it seems like Petey was into shaping the report with Kenny. From the article (no link for a piece which in light of CRN’s response appears to be tabloid garbage):

[S]unday, Norton referenced Neuheisel's troubled tenures at Colorado and Washington, saying, "It's kind of a pattern of what happened in the past."

Neuheisel, apprised of Norton's comments, said, "I have no comment to that. I've had no contact with Kenny."

Norton also said he has had no recent contact with Neuheisel. "It's important that it's known that I'm here and I'm staying here," Norton said. "I just think the recruits should know that. The fans should know that."

The first day football recruits can sign national letters of intent is Feb. 4.

"I've found over the years what you say in recruiting kind of tells who you are," Carroll said. "The truth always comes out in the end."

You knew those gasbags from that football program were going to bust out the “character card” referring to Colorado/Washington stories sooner or later. And they wasted that card on this? On recruiting just few days before their big game? You don’t think they are feeling the pressure?

Does Kenny (we will call this position coach “Kenny” from now on) really want to throw out the “character” card coming from a program which has the stains of Bush Gate, Rent Gate, Racist Facebook scandal, and a unmatched list of allegations concerning assaults and violence? Seriously Kenny actually dropped the word "pattern"? lol  Kenny wants to play the “character” game coming from a program which is currently the running joke in the entire world of college football when it comes to a program appearing to be running without any institutional control? Really?

What CRN did today via his smooth press release is basically toying with an amateur. He schooled Kenny on PR relations. Read the release again. It’s really perfect.

He first gave Kenny a lesson on class and loyalty in showing his respect and support for Dewayne Walker. Coaches around the country will not miss that.

Second, he basically gave Kenny the middle finger (calling him out as “Kenny”) letting him know that at our school (which enabled him to punch his ticket into the NFL) we don’t need to resort Pete’s school of negative recruiting to get elite players [he probably could have mentioned that we don’t have room for dog-abusers in his staff too]. Oh and as mentioned earlier he flatly denied Kenny's allegations.

The last part of the statement is priceless. Read it carefully. RN doesn’t totally shut the door on Kenny being “considered” as one of many candidates if the job were to be open. Yet he basically humiliates Kenny by putting the burden on him to prove the allegations he made in his comments, and also telling him that even if he wanted that gig he would have to get in line behind other candidates. It’s humiliating and it will probably result in Kenny never getting a realistic shot at the DC gig in his alma mater, relegating him to permanent status of Pete’s Poodle, where he will be stuck as a position coach for rest of his tenure, specializing in taping up his fingers. It’s ultimate professional humiliation for Kenny.

The only shot remaining for Kenny to return to UCLA is to come out and say how he was played like a little boy by some higher ups in his current football program which led him to making those stupid comments (with a little assist from his Humanitarian head coach) in the local paper. That is Kenny's only shot if he ever wanted to make a return to UCLA. So effectively he is now all boxed in. Ooops. lol

It’s too bad. I know there were many Bruins who would have given Kenny a chance to come back (not necessarily as a “DC” but as a position coach with a nice title of “assistant head coach” setting him up for move upwards). But Kenny decided to throw it all away with one stupid PR move, exposing him as man of questionable character and integrity to a community he was once part of. As mentioned above, if Kenny cannot rebut CRN’s statement today, he will be done and stuck as Pete’s poodle for an indefinite amount of time. Also, with his bonehead move, Kenny also wasted the “character” card Petey and his program were waiting to use at the first sign of feeling heat from Neuheisel’s UCLA program.

Too bad Kenny. You should have known better before getting into a PR war with the Neu UCLA. You got schooled.

GO BRUINS.

UPDATE - N: Kenny responds!

``I can't respond until I see it for sure,'' Norton said of the statement. ``I wasn't going to just make something up. Something is being said about me. My issue is they were talking about this stuff to recruits.''
Asked about what would happen if UCLA offered him the defensive coordinator's job next week, Norton said, ``no comment.''

Uhm, why can't you come out and just say that you no longer are interested in being UCLA's DC Kenny? ROFL.

Meanwhile Petey is getting the sense he got clowned. He is not saying much in this stuttering nonsense:

``I'm not upset. I'm just glad the air is cleared. The bottom line is it was obvious Ken had to say something. It only happened with guys we were recruiting.''

Uh hum. Sure Petey. Those are the words of a PR loser who realizes he just gave Rick Neuheisel and UCLA the center stage in media during the "dead period" of recruiting, while he could have had the team focused strictly on the Rose Bowl. Nice brilliant move Petey. Can you please try again? Let's have more of this during the "dead period" right into signing day. This is fun. GO BRUINS.

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the whole thing f*ing sucks in general. How great would it have been to see KN come back to UCLA? Any time the Trojies loose out on something they had just pisses them off that much more. He could have come back here, gotten a fresh start as a DC, but he decided to show his loyalty to PC, hoping it would win him some points with the Humanitarian.

Well, you’ll most likely never come back to Westwood as a member of the Bruin’s staff. Nice job on f*ing that up Kenny! Enjoy being a lineback coach for a loooooong time.

by TheStick on Dec 29, 2008 8:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nope

personally, never wanted to see him. The day he joined Cheatey was the day he was no longer a Bruin in my eyes. He is where he was meant to be.

I think you were spot on N. The whole “Kenny” thing had me rollin’. Now that is the way to talk SMACK. The even funnier thing is that Kenny probably doesn’t even know the hidden meaning behind it. LOL! The ending was nice too. Essentially telling him to get comfortable over there because you ain’t welcome in Westwood.

Gotta question someone’s intelligence when they relegate themselves as a poodles as you said for someone so ethically & morally whole as Cheatey.

One last thing, Kenny….you’re good at 2 things. Besides the finger taping, recruiting. You got pimp slapped by us for BP and more is coming. Start working on that resume because if you can’t recruit, Cheatey will be kicking you to the curb real soon. Happy Holidays Kenny,

by BlueReign on Dec 29, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of BP

Again folks can look through our archives. Kenny was doing something wrt to BP. I believe it’s called “negative recruiting.”

by Nestor on Dec 29, 2008 9:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BP

BP is Brian Price. HT usually means “hat tip”, giving credit where it’s due…

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 30, 2008 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a chess game

And that’s what happens when a pawn (Kenny) overextends himself. His professional sacrifice will be in vain and the CRN beat will roll on. It’s too bad that Kenny didn’t have a boss like CRN to look out for him.

by Tydides on Dec 29, 2008 8:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kenny and Petey responded this afternoon

It’s even better. Kenny can’t answer the question whether he wants to CRN’s DC. rofl.

by Nestor on Dec 29, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It reminds me of a great line from a great play/movie

In “A Man for All Seasons,” Richard Rich gives perjured testimony to convict Sir Thomas More of treason and subject him to exexution. As Rich is leaving court, Sir Thomas asks him if he is wearing a badge of office. Rich replies that he has been appointed Attorney General for Wales. Sir Thomas then skewers him with this: “Oh, Master Rich. To sell your soul for all the kingdoms of the earth is one thing, but for Wales?”

So to a great boxer’s son, to the new Fredo Corleone (who is dead to me), I ask Kenny why he would compromise his integrity for anything as a general mattter, but to sell out his integrity for Cheatie Petey and justsc? It’s just mind-boggling.

Like many, I would have welcomed Ken Norton Sr’s son if Coach Neuheisel wanted him. But any coach on our staff must be alive. And Ken Norton’s Sr’s son is dead. He might have been resuscitated, but he lost too much intergrity to be saved.

We don’t need the Attorney General for Wales as a coach.

by Fox 71 on Dec 29, 2008 8:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kenny Is No Bruin...You're Not Welcomed Back...

I heard of this story today on BSPN radio…the SUC sports network…

The hosts of the show were so ignorant, biased and clueless when they were covering the story. They basically validated Kenny’s accusations already then added the little, “allegedly…now of course I’m not saying that it’s true…we don’t know what happened…” B.S.

Then the other guys brings up that it was interesting how CRN never denied Kenny’s accusations and that we all know of CRN’s past and it is a pattern…all bull! Speaking of which, I can’t believe the Lakers are now going to be on BSPN instead of KLAC.

In any case, what Kenny did showed a few things about himself and about SUC. First, SUC’s classless and poor character is really infectious. Once you’re in it, you really think you’re a part of the gang. You will begin to see no wrong in all the questionable things that you do, hence all the arrested players. Second, maybe Kenny really isn’t that smart, aside from coaching the lines. Why would any coach need to clarify if someone’s using his name? That should be the school’s PR team to decide whether to bring it up or not. It shows where Kenny’s loyalty is or maybe not even realizing how he has just been used by Cheatey.

What somebody had already posted makes a lot of sense. The story seemed to have broken in such a timely manner. A few days after taking one of SUC’s recruits and CRN’s continuous aggressive challenge to Cheatey’s recruitment…hm….sounds fishy to me that the story just broke…

by bruin_98 on Dec 29, 2008 8:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

hope he does come back

If walker leaves us I hope norton does come back, look what he’s done with thoes linebackers. The f%$ing media is blowing every thing up. I would think we will need him back at home.

by kyl57es on Dec 29, 2008 8:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Uh I am not so sure

If he wants to come back he will have to first apologize. Period.

And then once he apologizes RN should consider him as a position coach. He hasn’t shown the maturity to become a DC. But CRN clearly put the burden on Kenny today to disown the allegations if he wants to get a shot in RN’s program at UCLA (which by his pathetic no comment implies he is still interested in).

by Nestor on Dec 29, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

seriously WTF w/ the "no comment"?

you stir up a hornets nest with all these veiled, “UCLA is tellin’ lies on me!” talk and then when someone calls you out and asks if you’ll accept the UCLA DC position and your response is …

NO COMMENT.

WTF? Did anything you were crying about mean anything? Why go to the media in the first place if being UCLA DC is even a possibility?? The Boxer’s Son is showing himself to be irrational, easily manipulated and at worst stupid.

by Seanny Rotten on Dec 30, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe he is great but he's not the only one...

why do we want someone back who has shown that he is no longer a BRUIN? no because he’s coaching cross town, but because of this stunt that he did, basically denouncing his pride in the uniform that he once played for…

by bruin_98 on Dec 29, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HELL NO!

So I guess you’d be OK if somebody went around talking junk about you. Why not…Talk s**t about me but I’d gladly break bread with you??? Sure…..

“I can’t respond until I see it for sure” What the….? But you were OK with going to the Slimes before giving the courtesy to a fellow Bruin on getting the story straight. The same guy that tried to get you over to Westwood when he was hired? Now you need some time to verify what CRN’s response was before giving one yourself? Why not just go with whatever has been told to you by people that have seen it? You seem to think heresay is fact. Be consistent at least my man. I actually think Kenny is busy firing up those neurons to come back with something as appropriate and that can also lay a smackdown such as CRN’s statement. Whether they get sparked is another story. Kenny, ask Cheatey since you do whatever he tells you to do irregardless of whether it is right or wrong.

sucsters really feeling the heat. Why would they make this such a big issue, going to the Slimes and all when we are right in the middle of the Dead Period and when they have a game to play in a couple of days. Don’t ya’ll got some gameplanning to do or make sure all the recruits got their “Special” packages that you sent for Christmas?

Can’t wait for the time when we take back the city and start spankin’ Cheatey all over the place. suc can keep those faker fans of theirs too. Don’t want them jumpin’ on our bandwagon.

GO BRUINS!!! and GO NITTANY LIONS!!!

by BlueReign on Dec 29, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

We can get as uppity as we want over the situation, but I don’t believe in burning bridges. Bringing KN back would not only give the Bruins good coach, but cripple Petey’s defensive recruiting. SCum’s offenses have been suspect the past two years, but the D has been solid for as long as I can remember, and Norton has been a huge part of that. I love the direction of our program, but we aren’t yet established enough to laugh at the loss of an option like KN Jr.

by Allofmybros on Dec 29, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Add

I say that as someone who has always been somewhat open minded about welcoming back KNJ. Sunday’s story changes things. When he brings up CU and UDub by throwing up the word “pattern” ignoring all the BS that has gone on in his own program that crosses a line.

KNJ can apply for the DC gig but before doing so he will have to issue a public apology to Neuheisel and the entire UCLA community (especially if he cannot effectively disapprove Neuheisel’s pin point statement today). The burden is on KNJ. Not us.

He burned the bridges to Westwood. Not us.

by Nestor on Dec 29, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My Door Is Closed to TBS

Until this, I have been a strong proponent of keeping the door open to the boxer’s son.

The door is now closed.

I used to blame CTS for not giving the boxer’s son a chance to come home — and now I am willing to give CTS possible credit for seeing a character flaw in the boxer’s son — a flaw that renders him unqualified to be a part of our program.

In keeping the door open, I was willing to overlook the thuggish play of Rey Rey — but they bothered me. And, then I was bothered by the whining after this years game. Whining and hypocrisy. TBS coached one of the dirtiest players in the game and he was hypocritical enough to whine.

But, this does it. This is so bad, there is no longer a benefit of the doubt for a fellow Bruin.

We don’t need him. He needed us. He needed a chance to learn to do things right. Let him stay with pc’s dirty program. He fits right in.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 29, 2008 9:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The only "pattern" I see here ...

… is someone who doesn’t think twice about getting into ugly fights with his own family.

He couldn’t get along with his own father.

Today he basically declared war on his extended former family. Now that’s a “pattern”.

Looks like KNJ and the Trojies have the same “family values.”

by Nestor on Dec 29, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

carefull n

He shouldn’t be our dc in any way, but i don’t think that he should be disquilfied from any position.
He was forced to the dark side, we should welcome him back. Look, he’s requiting for the scum; that’s his job.
I’ve had to deal with scum; or work for them.

by 10amla on Dec 30, 2008 3:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It sucks to be Kenny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDY3Pcoufno&feature=related

Easy money and faithless women, red-eye whiskey for the pain...

by rich87 on Dec 29, 2008 9:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

So, let's just say that Kenny is telling the truth...

and that he did hear from a recruit some rumors about him and UCLA. I think it is entirely plausible that a different program was the source of that speculation.

I can see a recruiter from “Big Time U” telling a young man, “Why would you even consider USC when you know that former UCLA great Ken Norton, Jr will jump ship at the next opportunity. And you’ve heard that UCLA’s DC is interviewing, right? Well, the writing is on the wall. So it just makes sense for you to come to "Big Time U” instead of USC."

I know that I’m guessing on my part, but it seems the most plausible to me. Regardless, the event exposed Kenny’s poor judgement. Bridge burned.

by lunabruin on Dec 29, 2008 9:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The problem with your scenario ...

KNJ could have just denounced the rumors and issue a standard non-denial denial by saying he was very happy at Southern Cal and was focused on the Rose Bowl. No, instead like a total meathead he had to give specific quotes attacking CRN by bringing up the old stories from Colorado and Washington. A really epic dumb move on his part. He got played and today humiliated.

by Nestor on Dec 29, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And, he could have called CRN -- not the press, and handled it man to man.

Instead, he tried to sucker punch CRN.

TBS picked a fight he could not win — a war of words, where he went to battle unarmed.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 29, 2008 9:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Geezers see eye to eye

I note that Geezer 1 could not write the name of the deceased son of Ken Norton Sr. Geezer 2 could not do so either. I sort of like “TBS” – The Boxer’s Son.

Darth Vader was welcomed back to the party on the planet of the squirrels or whatever they were, but only after he threw the evil Emperor over the railing. The only way that TBS can demonstrate to me that he qualifies to return to UCLA would be if he would tell all to the ncaa and the fishwrap about the institutional violations going on at the Evil Empire. If he does that, then maybe I consider him returned to life. But as of now, TBS is Fredo, as SJH pointed out.

by Fox 71 on Dec 29, 2008 9:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cool Star Wars analogy!

Too bad Star Wars was a product of one of their alumni.

Ditto here! I would have love to see TBS as a UCLA coach but not after this. It would take Darth Vader effect to get hire in Westwood now.

by Bruin15 on Dec 29, 2008 11:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, he was a total meathead...

and I was not clear. My scenario should have been part of Kenny’s thought process that would have alerted him to be careful with his words. Instead his judgement to issue a statement through the media was pure bonehead. He was played by the recruit, quite possibly another football recruiter, and then taught a lesson by CRN. 66, I just saw your post blink on and I would agree – a simple phone call could have prevented his humiliation. More proof of his poor judgement.

by lunabruin on Dec 29, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

That makes sense as a plausible scenario.

Yet he screwed it all up by his bonehead move. The question I have in mind is whether he made this move on his own or was he prompted to do so.

by Nestor on Dec 29, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kenny to UCLA was not exactly a unique thought...

On a basic level, I would not be surprised to hear that a recruit had the idea in his head. How the thought reached him, who knows, but from what I have read throughout the interwebs (to be fair, not always the most accurate source) over the past several months, Kenny > UCLA DC has been well mooted.

By whatever means, I am not at all surprised to hear that a recruit raised this with Kenny. The key to this has been Kenny’s reaction. As others here are posting, he had a choice is how to react to the (long-lived) rumor which may have been spreading. He chose wrong, and as a result has closed off any chance of coming back to coach @ UCLA, at least while Neu is heading the program.

by bruinhoo on Dec 29, 2008 10:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kenny is

officially a douche. pulling the “character” card on CRN is a cheap shot and low blow. i lost all respect for this traitor schmuck.

it’s obviously clear that SUC is scared. scared that UCLA football will only get better, scared that they’re losing the stranglehold in recruiting (M. Presley being one of many more to come) and scared that the “Dynasty” is (not over but) officially coming to an end.

by CSon on Dec 29, 2008 11:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The most important thing I believe

recruits, fans, the media will take from this is that this football rivalry is becoming relevant again, and we’ll gladly soak in any PR we can get before the Rose Bowl.

A Rose Bowl loss for SUC would certainly be a lovely way usher bruin football into the new year as well, so you can count on me to be cheering my butt off with the Penn. St. boys.

O.A.

by Ollie on Dec 30, 2008 2:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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