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Simers Calls Out Kenny/Petey For "Wimping Out"

Even T.J. Simers of all people who hasn’t missed an opportunity all season to attack CRN any chance he got, is not buying the unsubstantiated allegations coming out of Kenny:

I read The Times' story about Norton's charges further, waiting for Norton to say it was Neuheisel who was telling the recruits he was going to be leaving USC, or maybe name the assistant coaches working for Neuheisel who were spreading the misinformation.

But instead, Norton said it was "UCLA." But who at UCLA? A coach, player, mascot with a big mouth, student, booster or some message board regular? A UCLA grad working at rivals.com?

When Norton mentioned Neuheisel's previous "pattern," it sure sounded as if he was singling him out, like he knew Neuheisel was the guilty party -- yet he was saying he was getting it from recruits.

How convenient -- since it's a NCAA violation to mention recruits by name.

I stopped by USC on Monday to ask Norton if the unnamed recruits had identified Neuheisel as the one playing dirty tricks, figuring it probably would have come up in the conversation.

But he left word through a university spokesperson, "I said what I had to say yesterday. Talk to the head coach."

For a program that prides itself on toughness, it was odd to come across a coach wimping out like that, so I checked in with Pete Carroll.

It was Carroll, the instigator -- who likes everyone to believe he's above all this kind of stuff -- who suggested to Norton that he speak with the media.

Petey of course couldn’t provide any specifics either which led to Simers to embarrassing the Humanitarian a little more:

"It was absolutely important for Kenny to have a chance to say something," Carroll said. "What was going on was not fair or honest. A half a dozen times it came back to us. Kenny was being misrepresented. It's so obvious a ploy being played here and it's not truthful. And we're not going to stand for it."

Now everyone knows USC is 100% pure when it comes to recruiting, but who is telling the truth here?

USC was publicly embarrassed recently when a recruit changed his mind and opted to become a Bruin. The player, a tight end, had been heavily recruited by Norton. Is he now taking it out on UCLA -- hitting Neuheisel where it hurts the most -- his shaky reputation?

Has Neuheisel already told Norton behind the scenes he won't be getting a job offer, giving Norton an ax to grind?

Forgot about the connection between Kenny and Pressley. That certainly provides more context to Kenny’s swing and miss today.

Simers ended the column by offering up his email address and issuing appeal to any potential recruits to reach out to him if they can substantiate Kenny’s allegations. Of course it will not be a shocker at this point if some Trojie recruit who was never going to consider UCLA offer up more unstabtianted BS keeping the predictable character attacks on CRN (now that they have shown their card so early in the recruiting game).

Again if folks are looking to analyze the story and read between the lines check out CRN’s statement again. Read these lines again:

If DeWayne leaves, I would consider several candidates for the defensive coordinator job. Kenny probably would have been among those considered, with no guarantees. However, his quotes in the paper say he is staying at USC, so we wish him well.

CRN very skillfully leaves open the possibility that Kenny might have reached out to UCLA via intermediaries fishing for the DC job but that possibility no longer is looking all that great (for Kenny). I knew with CRN we would get one of the more PR savvy head coaches we have had in recent years in Westwood. I didn’t realize CRN was this good. He has lit up our fanbase and united the entire Bruin Nation (read all the message boards) with a 4-8 team against a rival which is now in the middle of a recruiting firestorm just three days before the Rose Bowl. As I said below, if Petey were to make the smart move he would have advised Kenny to not engaged in this battle giving UCLA and Neuheisel the center stage in the middle of “dead period.” Instead it’s game on and judging by the column from a professional concern troll such as Simers, it’s Neuehisel who is piling on the punches on Kenny and Petey’s wimpy efforts of late on the recruiting trail.

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I am extremely impressed by how CRN is handling this. I was in favor of Norton coming back into the fold in some capacity, but I just don’t see how that will be possible with the discord he seems to have gone out of his way to sow…

by impaulv on Dec 30, 2008 5:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, pom pom wouldn't be squawking

if he wasn’t feeling the heat on the recruiting trail.

The Mad Bruin

by lostnacfgop on Dec 30, 2008 6:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

A Couple of Random Thoughts

Nestor and I have agreed, for a while that our athletic department has been hampered by a less than stellar PR department. CRN is doing a great job of carrying his relentlessly positive approach to all things UCLA to the world. I hope his example rubs off on our PR department and they magnify his efforts.

The Biggest Losers — Couples Edition? TBS and pc.

TBS for all of the obvious reasons stated AND because it is now clear that he was a tool used by pc. pc pushed him to make a media statement; TBS had nothing to gain from that statement; why close the door on a place that might have given him an opportunity? pc used TBS and will, ultimately throw him away. To allow himself to be used in a situation like this shows that TBS is not the sharpest tool in the box. And, therein lies the ultimate damage to TBS - more and more it is becoming clear that head coaches have to be able to deal with the press - and TBS has shown that he can’t. This was a big loss for TBS. He closed the door on his Bruin family AND he looked like a fool in the press.

pc is the other big loser. Even Simers is seeing through his veneer. First, he looks scared — he can “poo poo” the “Monopoly Is Over” campaign, which was a bit premature — but he is clearly afraid of the battle we are waging on the recruiting front. Ask John McCain. Going negative does not work. And, second, he looks Machiavellian, not a good thing, manipulating a coach, pushing him out front to make a fool of himself, and trying to sit back and look like a humanitarian. Unfortunately, his manipulation was not good enough and he got caught.

The fallout? Nestor hit it on the head. At a time when there is no reason for UCLA to be in the press — in a positive way — at a time when sc should be dominating the news with its preparation for the Rose Bowl, CRN is looking great and pc and TBS are not. And, the tie to Pressley’s decision to come here is being seen as the clear reason for TBS’ outburst. This can only help us.

I think there may be a back story here — we must be getting close to turning some other sc commits and they must be getting scared.

One question on the recruiting front: How many of the kids they are going after are like Pressley, qualified to get into school here? My sense is that it is not too many. They will always hold a recruiting advantage over us — the one that stems from lower admission standards. Much of their pain must be from the appearance that we can take people away from them more than the reality — because even if we can convince some of their recruits to choose us, we may not be able to accept them.

One final random thought: I wonder where DW is in all of this. I take it this is a dead period and no actual recruiting is going on. But, I wonder if DW has said anything like “If I go, you can rest assured that CRN will put someone in the DC job who brings to it all the skill that Norm Chow brings as OC.” I think it important that as the recruits mull their choices they know that either DW will be here or he will be replaced by someone of quality.

And, that takes me back to TBS. I think it was clear to him that CRN would not make him a DC but, rather, would offer him a position coach job and a fancy title. There was simply too much resistance to TBS as a DC — some because they held against him his work at sc (I was not in that camp) and some because he’s not really qualified to be a DC(I was in this camp), yet. I think more than anything the fear of being “rejected” again by UCLA put him in a frame of mind where he was so easily used by pc. TBS is a grown up and used or not, this is all on him. As I said before, he needed us a lot more than we needed him. His loss, not ours.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 30, 2008 7:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good point on UCLA being in the press.

Its two days before the Rose Bowl and nobody is talking about SUC-Penn State. Let’s hope JoPa sticks his foot attached to his reconstructed hip way up Petey’s ass and puts another nail in that corrupt program’s coffin.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 30, 2008 8:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Machiavellian

66 makes some very good points here.

I believe this story needs an ending. It cannot die without further facts being uncovered. Someone is lying here. I believe this is more than a “misunderstanding.”

Although I normally detest Slimers—because I think he usually takes the easy and sloppy approach and just writes to piss people off, regardless of his true opinions—I am glad at least one member of the press is following up on this story. Unfortunately, the folks who originally broke this story apparently did not feel the need to follow up with Kenny and Petey and ask some further questions.

Everyone, make sure you read T.J.‘s full column: There are many, many quotes from PC which you should read. He has upped the ante considerably. Before this story became a story, he directed Kenny to speak up. But Kenny then lobbed the ball back to Petey. And, Petey, the Humanitarian, whose ego is at least as big as Reggie Bush’s rental property, has not held back here. He has directly labeled CRN’s and UCLA’s program as dirty, just in other words. Read his quotes. Seriously, if I was CRN (and my hands were clean), I would want to literally kick Petey’s ass.

I’m not going to hold my breath that any recruits are going to email TJ about this. Frankly, how many recruits read his column or even know who he is?

More power to TJ on this story. And I hope others dig around and beat on Kenny and Petey to substantiate their attacks. It’s pretty simple: Put up or shut up.

by Barnes2JJ on Dec 30, 2008 8:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

66

As always great perspective. You gotta put it up on FanPost for more eyeballs!

by Nestor on Dec 30, 2008 9:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I am still here for another day.

by Nestor on Dec 30, 2008 9:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Flying Back to Texas this Afternoon

and I’ve just trained my body to sleep ’til 6:30am PST.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 30, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh...the Humanitarian

Note to Cheatey: You will never transcend beyond being nothing but a coach. PERIOD. Your PR stunts in the inner city are not genuine in my eyes and stop trying to be Coach Wooden because you ain’t and you’ll never be.

This makes things so much more clearer. It’s all about RECRUITING, RECRUITING, RECRUITING. Everything I’ve said about Kenny stands. He’s always been 6 feet underground for all I care. Lets put everything that has transpired since CRN’s arrival into context.

suc has been dominant, no question about it. They not only owned the city but the Pac 10 and was a juggernaut on the national stage. Their dominance began with the deteriorating Toledo’s years and through the KD years. Cheatey never had any competition nor was there such a credible threat such as CRN. It’s like Auburn (6 consecutive Iron Bowl wins) before Saban got to town. Tubberville was dominating the series and in state recruiting. Now that Bama has a name coach, the script has been flipped. We’re not as psycho (unreasonable) as the southerners who fired Tubberville, but the Auburn boosters who spearheaded the ouster were feeling the “heat” from Bama’s rise. I don’t agree with their decision and I question Chizik but that is a different topic.

Now comes CRN who is a proven winner and who also spanked Cheatey while he was at UDUB. A coach who is intelligent, charismatic, PR saavy, has local ties, way better looking :P, etc. A coach that doesn’t have that deer in the headlights look but can make the necessary adjustments in the heat of battle. Add to this CRN’s ability to convince DW to stay on as DC although DW wanted the HC position. DW is not perfect but he has made our defense relevant and he has been a very good recruiter as well. Kids like to play for him. If this wasn’t enough, CRN reels in NC who has tutored a laundry list of Hesiman QB’s who continued off to the NFL. Not to mention somebody whom Chetey knows wants to kick his arse and who was the true reason for their success. All this adds up to “Instant Credibility” for CRN and the UCLA Football Program. Cheatey is scum but he isn’t stupid. He saw the writing on the wall. He now knew that recruiting would no longer be a walk in the park but a battle in the Octagon. Then we come out with the ad that the “Dynasty is over” (I personally loved it). This was something that we would have never done in the past. Something this confident and fearless that you’re time is slowly coming to an end. Cheatey and scums laughed it off. Rightfully so because we have yet to prove anything nor provide the type of results to justify such. But……..

So Cheatey is feeling safe because scum was still getting the top guys while we were struggling to establish the foundation of our program. But the face of recruiting started to changed and in less than a year since CRN has arrived. Pressley who I believe orally committed during the summer before his jr year saw the light and switched. Carroll and Flourney are openly looking at us as well as other schools. We’re in a dogfight for Manti, Martinez, etc. All guys that scum targeted and I’m sure they believed they were going to get. CRN is making inroads at programs that have tranditionally been strongholds for scum (Mater Dei, LB Poly, Oaks Christian, etc.). Players at scum are telling recruits on their official vists that they regret going there because they are sitting on the bench. In the past, if recruits wanted to stay local, they really had no choice but to go to scum. Even with full depth charts, nobody in their right mind was going to put their future in the hands of KD. But not anymore. Recruits now have a legitimate and viable option at UCLA. Playing time is available, top notch coaching is available, top notch education, a campus where you’re not going to get mugged, etc. Especially if you’re an offensive recruit, who would you rather be coached by? CRN (Rose Bowl MVP/coached College & NFL Hall of Famer Troy Aikman/NFL experience) & NC (Too many Heismans/QB friendly offenses/NFL experience) or some guy named John Morton. The answer is easy and the recruits are beginning to see this IMO.

During a time where their sole focus should be on a very good Penn St. team, they’re wasting their time & energy on something so fickle and unsubstantiated as this? For real? It’s the Dead Period so maybe this is scum’s way of letting the recruits know that their staff is intact since Kenny’s main responsibility is the LA area. Oh, they’re definitely feeling the heat and tide turning. The logical thing for them to do was to contact CRN and then hash this out. But of course, that would mean that they had class or integrity. Remember, this is the guy that unilaterally decided that scum was going to wear ketchup jerseys although both coaches were discussing this. Cheatey really loves the spotlight. If indeed recruits were being told things about Kenny (no way this happened), something so trivial like this should have been left up to Kenny to address privately. Cheatey will never say it, but reading his comments, he may not be shaking in his boots but he definitely feels the threat that CRN & UCLA Football has become already.

I’m lovin every single minute of this because not only do we feel the momentum, but so does the Humanitarian at Fig Tech. CRN will get the job done. I’m ABSOLUTELY sure about this. Why? For CRN, this is a labor of love. For Cheatey, this is for his own personal glory. People achieve much more when they believe and enjoy what they are doing. The Dynasty is not over but you can be damn sure that it will be over sooner rather than later.

by BlueReign on Dec 30, 2008 9:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Carroll is the one who is "slick"

If Carroll and Norton truly were concerned about how UCLA and CRN were misrepresenting them to recruits and simply wanted to “clear the air,” Carroll should have attempted to resolve the situation the “character way” by contacting CRN directly, personally, privately. Instead, Carroll “advises” Kenny to air his concerns in the media, thereby igniting a public skirmish between Norton and Neuheisel and UCLA and USC.

This accomplishes two of Cheatey Petey’s objectives, from his vantage point: One, he undermines UCLA and Neuhesel just when USC finally is receiving some real competition in the recruiting wars; and two, he poisons the relationship between Kenny and CRN, thus reducing the odds of Norton joining the UCLA staff and bringing the keys to USC’s success (and alledged misdeeds) with him.

Now THAT’S what I call slick…

by NorCalDave on Dec 30, 2008 9:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Or, Ken Norton could have made a public press statement saying

“I am not interested in a position at UCLA next year and will remain at USC”

That would settle everything with recruits.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 30, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Idle hands...

It’s just too bad you don’t have a BOWL GAME to keep you occupied.

by WE ARE SC on Dec 30, 2008 10:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Keep on yappin'

It’ll make it that much more sweeter when we put you back in your place. It will happen, you better believe that.

Aren’t you proud that your program does things the right way? That your players know who Joe Biden is? Yeah….I’d have my head held high too. CHEAT ON!

by BlueReign on Dec 30, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We is SC

Guess you forgot that it was Kenny who, instead of being focused on the Rose Bowl, instigated all of this.

Short-term memory loss and all, I know…

by Barnes2JJ on Dec 30, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We're not the ones calling the times and complaining

You guys are. Clearly pete is worried. First he complains about our physical play against your soft team non stop now he calls the times about rumors hes concerned about. What a buffoon.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 30, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like you're not occupied by the bowl game either

Considering your presence here. And that’s the point. Thanks for proving it, moron.

You, my lady, doth protest too much.

by Tydides on Dec 30, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes YOU ARE SC

Thanks for proving it.

But hey, what do I know. I’m just the 800 lbs bruin in the room.

by tasser10 on Dec 30, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to BN. How's USCLink doing?

After all, he had such a memorable time here last year.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Dec 30, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

TBS

what does this stand for again?

by CSon on Dec 30, 2008 1:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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