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So Much Room For Improvement

Even though I believe that in the grand scheme of things we were going to be ok, no matter what transpired tonight, every loss stings.  Our number 9 Bruins lose a tough, hard fought game against the number 8 Horns in another nail biting game.

Despite heroic efforts from DC and AA2, Ben Ball warriors go down in the Lone Star state by a score of 64-69:

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Photo Credit: AP Photo/Harry Cabluck (ESPN)

Here is the raw box score.

The game was another heart breaking and frustrating loss against one of the better teams in the country. A. J. Abrams killed us by scoring 31 points and reminding JH that he has a way to go to turn himself into a one and done, first round pick.

Bruins came out looking sloppy on offense and slow on defense. We were not moving around the ball well and looked a step slow in our rotation falling behind by 9 points in second half.

Then we made our charge and probably the most encouraging aspect of tonight's game was the way this team responded to a 10 pt deficit against a very tough team on the road. They figured out how to play that classic Ben Ball defense, rebound the ball, and show grit and fight, erasing that deficit and going up by against the Horns.

Bruins fell short at the end. They have a lot of work to do. They need to figure out a way to solve their FT issues (which killed them tonight), hustle for the entire game for boards and loose ball (taking their cues from AA2), and for freshmen like JH and JM get in better game shape.

They will get it done. They will get better. From what I saw in the second half tonight, I am optimistic about how this team develops through rest of this season. There is so much room for improvement and we know CBH and his staff are going to make sure our Ben Ball warriors do just.

Fire away with your post game thoughts.

GO BRUINS.

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by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 4, 2008 8:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Rye

If you have extensive thoughts on tonight’s game … you should do up a separate post. I will try to share my notes in early am.

I will also schedule a game thread for the soccer game tomorrow pm.

by Nestor on Dec 4, 2008 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing from me tonight

I have an essay to finish up. If I get it done soon I could put something up late, late late tonight. We’ll see how it goes.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 4, 2008 9:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

christ

i am SO miserable right now. i get it all—it’s early in the season, there’s room for improvement, all the same pieces aren’t in place like they were in years past, but this one REALLY is killing me.

i’ve been cool throughout football season. i made the trek out to a couple of away games, and i’ve walked away from each disappointed, but aware of where we stand, and that things are going to be great. but last week’s Michigan loss and tonight’s are REALLY getting to me.

i’m not pointing any fingers at individuals—our problems are collective. some of your folks already mentioned it; our biggest problem is the same thing that plagued us in the Florida games and against Memphis, and it’s not the oft-cited big man issue. we simply have trouble SCORING. not just in that last stretch where we had the ball for the last minute and a half of the game, but just generally, we’ve never been an outright scoring team. i love that defense is the hallmark of Howland-era basketball, and i hope for it to continue to be that, but we need to figure out how to put some damn points on the board.

by deepdish on Dec 4, 2008 8:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No reason to make this loss sound so DRAMATIC

Those losses against West Virgina, Washington and Cal at Pauley were also “getting” to lot of people too. We are trying to develop chemistry with 5 freshmen.

by Nestor on Dec 4, 2008 8:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

true

but those losses weren’t this early in the season.

i’m not panicking, i’m simply more upset than usual.

by deepdish on Dec 4, 2008 8:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Those Pac-10 losses

Came way early in our Pac-10 season in 05-06 … and West Va was during midpoint of the season.

Does this loss hurt? Sure it does. It burns. But it is silly to take these last two games and get miserable thinking we have serious issues with this team.

by Nestor on Dec 4, 2008 8:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Heart

I think the most important thing to take away from this game was how our team responded in the second half. I was worried when we were down by 10 that it could turn ugly, but our team showed resiliency against a tough team and crowd and clawed their way back. FTs, defense, and turnovers will work themselves out, but if a team doesn’t have heart, then none of those matter. This team showed it has heart. (Which really isn’t a surprise around these parts.)

by bruinponcho on Dec 4, 2008 8:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Our D tightened up. Our offense improved a little better in second half but still we have a lot of work to do.

by Nestor on Dec 4, 2008 8:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've got to say though that

it was our 3’s that kept us in the game offensively. It way the only way we kept up with Abrams. And I like that it’s been a couple of guys taking these shots-DC, JK, ND, JS, MR. We definitely struggled in that area last year.

by aloyscius on Dec 4, 2008 8:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well

At least a Bruin didn’t punch one of them in the balls

by SuperBruinMan on Dec 4, 2008 8:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Floyd

And Floyd DEFENDED the kid afterward. Yeah, that’s right, he defended him by calling his thug player a “freshman.”

Oh, right. Freshmen basketball players playing a nationally ranked team on national TV don’t realize that you can’t suckerpunch a guy in the jewels. Now, while there may have been a tad bit of flop/acting involved in the play, for anyone who has been on the receiving end of such a hit, it doesn’t take much to inflict some serious pain.

Floyd offered no criticism whatsoever. If anyone can find criticism somewhere, I would like to see it.

Let’s see if the player gets disciplined. What a joke.

by Barnes2JJ on Dec 5, 2008 8:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw the dude's face when he got hit

I think it was legit. You can’t fake that kind of instantaneous agony.

Yeah, and Floyd is a SCumbag, but we knew that already. You’ll notice there never was a “Man Law” radio or TV commercial that delved into this sensitive issue. That’s because it’s such common knowledge as to be an unwritten and unspoken rule. It’s not acceptable in boxing, or in MMA, so it’s certainly unacceptable in basketball (but maybe not in Water Polo, where I was on the receiving end of one of these cheapshots).

by Tydides on Dec 5, 2008 8:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I need a hug....

Mrs. Eagle is out with the girls tonight and I want to just scream but the boys are all asleep.

Tough loss. I really thought we were out of it after the first half.

We were up by 2 with under 4 minutes left a couple of times and had the ball but turned it over both times. WE just couldn’t pull away and they (AJ) made some huge shots down the stretch.

We have a long time till March. There will be several more tough road losses this year.

Lets hope these losses build character and that we peak come spring time.

I was really hoping for a win tonight to help with the pain I"ll experience at the RB on SAturday. Here’s hoping for a miracle at the RB.

Sleep tight Nation…. We hopefully have 30 games left of BB if all goes well….

by Bald Eagle on Dec 4, 2008 8:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hang in there Bald

fwiw … I think we are going to be all right … I don’t see a lot of tough road losses ahead to be honest. From what I saw tonight, I am feeling pretty good about the Pac-10 season.

by Nestor on Dec 4, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you feeling good

because the Pac-10 is down or we’re up and coming. Probably both, I’d say.

I just hope a down Pac-10 doesnt’ hurt us.

Tough road games ahead….

ASU
Oregon
Arizona
Stanford
Maybe SC….

by Bald Eagle on Dec 4, 2008 8:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am feeling cautiously optimistic

about Oregon, Arizona and Stanford. Stanford is really down this year. Cal might be better than them actually.

I always consider JusSC a win. :-)

ASU is going to be tough.

by Nestor on Dec 4, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would add

washington to that list.

saw them tonight against OSU and they look good. they’ve got some good leadership returning and that “freshman” isaiah thomas that they finally got eligible is a baller. i think Romar will have them ready to play.

by seattlebruin17 on Dec 4, 2008 11:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

JH

The team fought really well tonight. We were really close to getting it done. I think If Jrue Holiday had even an average night scoring and playing his game we would have won this game. He will get better as his confidence grows. He is just too good.

by cyberdbk on Dec 4, 2008 8:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

agree.

We really need his offense. He needs to assert himself more!! That may come in a game where DC gets in foul trouble.

by Bald Eagle on Dec 4, 2008 8:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

JH

His block on that tall dude from Texas was pretty sick though.

by bruinponcho on Dec 4, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To keep things in perspective:

Last year, I slept out all night only to watch Texas come in and beat us in a very close game at Pauley. After the game, I remembered wondering how the team could possibly improve. Sure, Kevin Love could have been a bit more in shape, and yes, DC had just gotten his knee brace off. But those were the only two areas in which we stood to improve.

This year, I just watched a team which can barely execute at all on offense go into Texas and nearly come out with a win. At times, even our defense looked lost and confused. We’re making silly turnovers and leaving men wide open under the basket and at the 3pt line. And we still hung right with Texas the entire game. It’s not about there being room for improvement. It’s that we will improve. I have no doubt in my mind. Obviously the five freshmen will be part of that improvement. But so will Keefe, Roll and Dragovic, who are getting serious minutes in big games for the first time (with the exception of Roll, who’s getting big minutes for the first time in over a year). And then there’s Aboya, who appears to be getting better and better offensively.

So call me crazy, but I’m feeling far more optimistic about our season after this game than I was before it. Every loss hurts, especially to Texas. I remember sleeping out in the cold, only to watch Texas make a game winning shot and then rub it in by screaming at all of the Bruin fans, in the middle of the court. It hurts, a lot. I wish we could have done the same to them this year (in a more classy way, of course). But the fact is, after watching this game, I’m convinced that we’ll be in prime position for a run at our fourth straight Final Four come March. GO BRUINS!!!

by truebruin on Dec 4, 2008 8:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

lol

Let’s take baby steps brother. Win our next few games and make our charge in the Pac-10.We will have plenty of time of think about MADNESS.

ONE GAME AT A TIME.

Good post.

by Nestor on Dec 4, 2008 8:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Perhaps I am getting a bit ahead of myself; it’s important not to look ahead. However, I don’t want people to get too down about this. We knew there was a good chance we would pick up a few losses early, and that’s exactly what’s happened. Let’s be positive about the fact that it looks like we really do deserve that #9 ranking, though.

by truebruin on Dec 4, 2008 8:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Still tough

I have to agree with deepdish. I know that we were the lower ranked team playing on the road, and I know that we are a young team that will improve as the season goes on, but this one was still painful to watch at the end. We had so many chances . . .

I can only hope history repeats and we draw Texas in the Tourney and do the same thing to them that we did to Memphis a couple of years ago.

by Koach Karl I on Dec 4, 2008 8:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprisingly optimistic

I was fairly upset after the Michigan game. I know this team will go through some tough times early on this season as we figure out our team chemistry, the freshmen progress, etc. I remember four years ago, when JF, AA, JS and Mata were all freshmen and we, at times early on, did not look pretty. That Michigan game, we did not look good at all.

That said, I was impressed with how we played tonight. I have the utmost faith in this team, but they actually performed better than I expected in a lot of regards. Sure, there were some huge holes, especially Jrue’s offensive performance and our inability to make a clutch shot over the last 4 minutes. But, overall, we looked good. This has already been covered a little bit, but it’s an important note to reiterate:

Texas looked great, especially Abrams. They don’t have a lot of upside, although they may be looking good right now. UCLA, on the other hand, has a lot of room for improvement, and yet we had a legit chance to win this game. If we can keep the intensite and passion that we had during this game… man, when our freshmen progress and we start to click on a team, we’re gonna be good.

Maybe Neuheisel’s relentless optimism is rubbing off, but there are way too many good things to take from this game to be pissed off about it. Plus, we’re gonna beat $C and get 104 this weekend, so we shouldn’t be too bummed.

slow down, look up

by Point Guard 08 on Dec 4, 2008 9:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I did not see most of this game, but from what I read it seems as though we stayed in a game we had no place in. Once our talent and athleticism start to come together, I know that we will be a force to be reckoned with. However, we cannot keep looking ahead at when we will be that good. We have to take the steps and do the work to get there. CBH has got a new look team, and hopefully he can get everything together. I don’t want to set the bar too high for this team, though, as they’ve broken my heart before. This is not to say that I don’t have faith in them, but I’d rather that they surprise me with their play than let me down with it.

The good news is, I don’t think that the football team can let me down with my expectations for Saturday. GO BRUINS.

by WestsideBrandon on Dec 4, 2008 10:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, O.K. then

A good effort. Bruins showed plenty of heart and toughness. Roll needs more minutes; young players need a little more time.

by ReineSeite on Dec 4, 2008 10:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one that liked what I saw?

Let me get this out of the way. I hate losing. Watching our guys come up short absolutely sucks. But honestly, I think this is the first time I got a real glimpse of what these team is capable of becoming. We have always talked about potential, but so far on the season we’ve only seen it in moments. Well now those moments are stringing together on both the offensive and defensive end. What I saw was our guys taking the next step in that second half.

Against a favored top 10 team on the road, I finally saw some of the scrappy play, hustle, and heart that I’ve taken for granted over the past three years. The moments were fleeting, but they were there. It’s more than technical details. It’s attitude.

We don’t do moral victories. This was a loss. But I feel a hell of a lot better after this game than after Michigan.

by Tydides on Dec 4, 2008 10:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you and Westside. With higher expectations come greater risks of disappointment. Ranked 4th in the nation, a win against Michigan was expected but not a forgone conclusion. That loss was painfully revealing of where we were truly at. Tonight’s game, though disappointing was not as painful. We showed more more hustle and determination. Most importantly we are improving.

by 808 Bruin on Dec 4, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I must admit I did not see the first half. From what I saw in the second half, I must say that I was rather impressed with the team’s effort tonight. I just love Aboya, he brings it every game and like an earlier post mentioned, his offense is improving and I think the team will ultimately be very strong upfront. What’s going on with the freshman bigs? they didn’t play at all in the second half.

by chirobruin on Dec 4, 2008 10:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm ok with what I saw tonight

Abrams was playing out of his mind and it’s hard to win with that. At the same time, Collison was taking over when the team needed it… unfortunately, that’s not quite enough. All in all, however, it was a good effort and a good game. We’re still young and I think this was an incredible lesson for our bruins. We need to learn how to finish games, without relying entirely on DC. Our freshmen will develop and contribute more points down the stretch. We will win close games against good opponents like this.

by UCLAbruin920 on Dec 5, 2008 12:26 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Positive sign in the second half

First of all I wanna introduce myself cause this is my first post on BN. I’m Patrick 29 years old and living in Switzerland.

On to tonights game. I got up at 3 in the morning just to watch the game and like all of you I was hoping to get a win. Sure a loss always hurts but not so much like the one against Michigan. First half wasn’t that good. Starting with some early turnovers and having problems to create something down the stretch. It was all on DC’s shoulders till second half when finalley JS stepped up and took some shots. What keeps me positive is that we got a lot of room to improve. JH wasn’t a factor tonight as none of the other freshman. As the season goes on I’m sure they will be. The team showed a lot of heart in the second half getting back in the game from down 9 and hanging in there with the chance to even win this thing. Looking forward to see this team getting better from game to game.

by swissbruin on Dec 5, 2008 1:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Welcome!

How do you say that in Swiss-German?

greg in denver - UCLA guy for life

by gbruin on Dec 5, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Calm down Bruins

CBH has 2 things that he can rely on at this point in the season. He knows what he’ll get from DC and he knows that AA2 will battle like the warrior that he is. Otherwise, he is rolling the dice on any given night.

Shipp is still struggling to find his shot, JK is in a new role starting, Roll missed an entire season and is trying to find his way, Drago is seeing his first extensive playing time and we have 5 FR that we are trying to develop. Add on the fact that each guy is trying to find their roles, sprinkle in some Motion, learn how to play Ben Ball D and jell into a cohesive unit. We have only played 6 games thus far. I repeat, 6 games.

Talent alone does not equal success. You need real life game experience coupled with it. The team will become a cohesive and formidable unit come March. I don’t even question it. CBH has proven to me what he can do with a group of individuals when tourney time rolls around. We’ll get better rebounding the ball, rotating on defense, hitting our throws, moving without the ball. etc. This isn’t college football where early losses can doom your season.

Just going to touch on Jrue since expectations are sky high for him by Bruins. Jrue has a lot of talent which we can all see. Having said that, he is not at the level of a Rose/Beasley/Love/etc. from the prior class. This entire class is nowhere at their level. This isn’t to say he cannot achieve a lot this season. I just think that people need to show some patience and allow the kid to find himself on this team. Jrue is a humble kid and I’m pretty darn sure that he is deferring to DC/Shipp/Aboya because he is the freshman. His situation reminds me of Rudy Gay at UCONN. When Gay arrived as a FR, he had established players like Armstrong/Boone/Williams/Villanueva/Brown/Anderson/etc. and was focused more on fitting in as one of the guys. This used to drive Calhoun nuts because he was the most talented guy on that team. In 04-05, UCONN ended up going 23-8 getting beat in the 2nd round. The following season UCONN went 30-4, earned a #1 seed but lost to George Mason in the Regional Final in OT. This was achieved because Gay started to assert himself. I think Jrue is in the same situation. He is getting adjusted to major D1 ball and trying to figure out where he fits on this team. What is CBH expecting from him, what are his teammates expecting from him, when & how should he assert himself, how do I get open without the ball, etc. Besides DC, Jrue is the only other guy on our team that can get their shot off at will and/or create open/easy looks for others IMO. It may take some prodding from CBH and our leaders but I’m confident he’ll realize this sooner rather than later.

The progress/development of players/teams throughout the season is what makes college ball so interesting. And lets not hand UNC the title just yet. Yes, they are the team to beat but remember NC State v Houston or GTown v Nova or even George Mason taking down the Gay led UCONN team?

by BlueReign on Dec 5, 2008 1:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm fairly content with the way things went

the Michigan game was a sobering loss, one in which i felt i wasnt watching a true Ben Ball team on the court. Tonight we got a glimpse of that brand of basketball we’ve grown accustom to, especially as we cut into Texas’ lead after the half, on the road. During that run highlighted by two monster JS dunks, we played tight D, went after loose balls, fought to force jump balls, and made big shots.

I hope tonight was a growing experience, and a step in the right direction.

O.A.

by Ollie on Dec 5, 2008 1:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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