Typical trOJan Arrogance
When people from outside the UCLA-U$C rivalry world ask me what the difference between our two universities is (if you can even call U$C a university), I usually point to each school's most famous alumni. The guy you could call the "face of the university."
For us, that's easy, it's one of two men. For some, it's Jackie Robinson, the man who broke the color barrier, who pulled a Rosa Parks a decade before she got all the credit, a man who was a four-sport letterman for the Bruins in an era where African-Americans weren't allowed to attend many major universities in this country. For others, it's Lew Alcindor (or, as you non-Bruins know him, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar), a man who was a true student-athlete, a man who was so prolific they banned the dunk from college basketball, a man who is an ambassador not just for basketball, but for learning, and a man who is an accomplished, best-selling author.
For U$C, one name comes to mind: O.J. Simpson. A sleeze who would appear in any advertisement for the righht amount, a snake who skated on two murders because of prosecutorial incompetence, an arrogant bastard who thought the law did not apply to him.
That is the contrast I usually draw between our two universities. It's telling. Two examples of our university's excellence in both the classroom and on the field/court. For them, it's a typical example of the arrogance that defines trOJans.
We already know U$C's well-documented run-ins with the law, with their arrogance in breaking our laws (after all, they claim to "own" the police), and their culture of turning a blind eye to the thugs they bring to their campus, all in the name of "success."
O.J. Simpson was finally given his just punishment: 9 to 33 years in a state prison for his role in a robbery-kidnapping. O.J. joins the long list of trOJan convicted felons.
With his trial behind us and his sentence imposed, new information is coming to the public eye:
Clark County District Attorney David Roger said Simpson was offered a deal for less prison time than the nine- to 33-year prison terms the graying former football star was sentenced to on Friday for kidnapping and assaulting two sports memorabilia dealers with a deadly weapon.
Well, that's no surprise. Prosecutors offer plea bargains all the time. It's how our system works. Without plea bargains, the system would overload and collapse.
Of course, the man who beat the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office out in skipping on a double-murder rap, thought he could beat this rap too and turned down the deal. Pleas are routinely turned down by defendants. That's not unusual. But, the telling part, of O.J.'s character (and that of U$C in general) is this:
"Mr. Simpson wanted something just short of a public apology," Roger said. "We didn't think that was appropriate."
But the District Attorney wasn't the only one who thought O.J. was a pathetic, arrogant son-of-a-b**ch. The judge (the Honorable Jackie Glass) agreed:
"At Mr. Simpson's initial bail hearing, I didn't know if he was arrogant or ignorant or both," Glass said. "During this trial, I got my answer. It was both."
Your Honor, thank you for making clear to the entire nation what so many of us Bruins already knew: your typical trOJan is an idiotic, arrogant fool.
That's the trOJan way: do whatever you want and if the law gets in your way, remind those gnats that you're a trOJan and you're entitled to do whatever it is you want. And ask for an apology for wasting your time while you're at it.
Those cross-town pathetic losers make me f**king sick.
GO BRUINS! BEAT U$C!
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Face of the university
Besides who OJ who else they have?
Matt Leinart? lol
Reggie Bush? lol
Charles White? busted for cocaine
Gifford has been a tabloid joke. Garrett is running a athletic department full of classy bunch.
Seriously … who else is the face of Southern Cal?
by Nestor on Dec 6, 2008 10:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's hilarious.
Their list is a joke.
Ours keeps on going. Even without Jackie and Lew, we still have:
John Wooden (need I say more?)
Arthur Ashe
Bill Walton
Troy Aikman
Jackie Joyner-Kersee
Kenny Washington
And that’s just off the top of my head.
by Bellerophon on Dec 6, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't even mean to ask that question as a flame
Seriously who is the iconic face of their university?
by Nestor on Dec 6, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The ones I can think of ...
Ronnie Lott (full disclosure … I am a Niners fan)
Troy Polamalu
Lisa Leslie
But none of those guys belong in the same league as a Wooden, Ashe, Kareem or Robinson.
Anyone I am missing?
by Nestor on Dec 6, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie and Troy came to mind
But they’re not iconic. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a huge Niners fan, but Ronnie was a workhorse who did his job. He wasn’t the face of the franchise, despite being, in my opinion, one of the, if not the best safeties in the history of football.
He’s one of the greatest ever, don’t get me wrong, but he doesn’t have the iconic status that guys like Rice, Montana or Young had. Likewise, even at U$C, I don’t think he enjoys that kind of iconic love from his fellow trOJans that guys like Jackie, Lew, and Arthur get from Bruins.
Troy and Lisa are great, don’t get me wrong. I won’t dispute they are both elite, but again, neither has that iconic status.
When you think of U$C, their names are not the first thing that comes to mind. For example, if you say Penn State, I instantly think of Joe Pa. You say Notre Dame, I instantly think of Rudy. You say Florida State, I instantly think of Bowden (and to a lesser extent, one of my favorites, Neon Deion Sanders). Those names are iconic. Joe Pa is the face of PSU, the same way Woody Hayes is the face of Ohio State.
U$C? First name that comes to mind is O.J. That’s a major image problem for the trOJans, but one they won’t overcome because they’re a bunch of cocky, spoiled a**holes.
by Bellerophon on Dec 6, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Completely agree with you.
The first names I think of when someone mentions Notre Dame … I think of Joe Montana, Rockne, Rocket, Holtz, Tim Brown. All good people with no scandals.
It’s really stunning to me that for all the hype around them … they don’t have anyone “clean” representing as the iconic figure representing their school.
by Nestor on Dec 6, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A couple ...
Mark McGwire – what else needs to be said?
Paul Westphal – he was an excellent player and NBA coach, but how many people know that he played for them?
by bruinhoo on Dec 6, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Westphal
Decent player/coach.
Did he ever win a title? Don’t think so. But double checking.
by Nestor on Dec 6, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
one while playing for the Celtics
In terms of what has come out of the trojan side of the Sports Arena, likely more accomplished as anyone else that has been produced.
by bruinhoo on Dec 6, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Westphal
is a good basketball guy and a pretty good guy all around, but who thinks of him as the face of SC?
by bucknellbruin on Dec 6, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
true - he is not thought of as an sc player
Too bad for SC, as I would rather be associated with him over OJkills and Marajuanavich.
by bruinhoo on Dec 6, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph Bunche
Rafer Johnson
C. K. Yang
After you trump Will Ferrell with Tim Robbins, the comparison just gets unfair.
by Bruinut on Dec 6, 2008 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well the only one that comes to mind right away
would be George Lucas. Can’t think of Athletes… outside of a basketball player or two I will not name.
by freesia39 on Dec 6, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yep, i was thinking lucas too
but there are bound to be a few good eggs in USC’s 125 years… but the point is clear… there aren’t many and they are outweighed or perhaps outshadowed by the rotten ones, OJ being perhaps the most rotten
by UCLAbruin920 on Dec 6, 2008 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
athletes overshadowing other distinguished alums (for good or bad),
is not limited to the trOJans. They have Lucas, while we have Coppola as a alum. According an sc tv spot, Neil Armstrong is an alum, to the school’s credit; meanwhile, Bruins get to claim Ralph Bunche as one of our own.
by bruinhoo on Dec 6, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to come up with any real good ones
There’s Neil Armstrong, but he only went to U$C for graduate school. He was, in reality, a Purdue man. But, you know the trOJans: they’ll pick and choose whatever they can to try to catch us (just like they do with their SAT scores).
Although, in briefly looking, I did discover one of their alumni of note is Grace Quek. Or, as she’s more well-known, Annabel Chong.
Ms. Quek was a U$C graduate student, in of all things, feminist studies.
Aside from starring in “classics” like Sgt. Pecker’s Lonely Hearts Club Gangbang and I Can’t Believe I Did the Whole Team, she pioneered on-camera triple penetration.
But that’s not all: she’s most famous for starring in The World’s Biggest Gang Bang, in which she engaged in 251 sex acts with approximately 70 men over a ten-hour period in January 1995, setting a world record.
So, that’s what they teach in the feminist studies courses at U$C. Boy, maybe going to UCLA was a bad choice, after all.
If you could only hear my snickering. Haha.
by Bellerophon on Dec 6, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
meh.
Lucas is known for creating the incredibly lucrative Stars Wars franchise. But, did you know he plagiarized the story from Kurosawa’s The Hidden Fortress? Go ahead and rent it. The similarities are obvious and never ending. The biggest difference is the roles of Luke and Obi Wan are performed by one character in Kurosawa’s film. And it’s a samurai film, thus the light sabers.
Sure enough, the farther you get from the first movie the more the quality of the story suffers
A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden
by MexiBruin on Dec 6, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Face of USC
The face of USC is a mug shot. Just google “OJ Simpson” and click on Images, and it’s the first thing that comes up. Very useful for recruiting student-athletes.
by ucla7477 on Dec 6, 2008 4:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
USC
USC = University of Simpson’s Cellmates
by McNown to Farmer on Dec 7, 2008 9:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Going farther back
Most of you probably don’t remember Ralph Bunche, also an African-American, also a Bruin (class of ’27), who was Undersecretary of the United Nations and won the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in the Middle East. The story goes that one of his aides brought him notes at meetings—including updates of UCLA basketball scores.
I don’t think any Trojans come close to that.
by Herodotus on Dec 7, 2008 5:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We remember, but it's not quite a good fit here
When I was talking about the “face of the university” I meant iconic people that the great majority of Americans (read: the uneducated and non-Bruins) would recognize when they hear UCLA.
Having suffered through many a class in Bunche Hall, I know of the man. I think many Bruins know one of our Nobel Laureates, but unfortunately, he isn’t iconic to the nation as a whole.
When your average Joe thinks of UCLA they think of Jackie, of Coach, or of Lew. That’s why I threw that name out there, but of course, Mr. Bunche is one of many great Bruins. Our history is too rich with men like him. But, of course, we’re UCLA.
by Bellerophon on Dec 7, 2008 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I tried this.
At a Christmas party last night, I asked a Buckeye friend of mine (he was at the 76 Rose Bowl, as were many of us) to name the first person he thought of when I said justsc (I had to leave the “just” off for purposes of the experiment) and he said OJ. When I asked him to say the first person he thought of when I said UCLA, he said me. When I made him say another name, he said Coach Neuheisel. That surprised me, because I thought he would say Coach.
Anyway, this test is accurate. The face of justsc in the hearts and minds of America is Orenthal James.
by Fox 71 on Dec 7, 2008 9:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
$c Arrogance
I forgot to include this on my post:
ARROGANCE + IGNORANCE + $c. Not a good combination!!!!!
by Forever a Bruin on Dec 8, 2008 1:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs




















