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Culture Change needs to be more extensive

I want to applaud CRN, the entire coaching staff, and our players for the spirited effort against the trOJans yesterday. I think the culture change CRN is bringing to the program is evident in effort and fight we see from the players

However, in the same way that coach CRN has brought change to the team, Dan Guerrero needs to bring change to all things affiliated with the program. A few ways to start:

1) The band was playing outside the rose bowl before the game while the SC band was in the stadium playing for their players for 20 minutes before the game. Anyone coming into the stadium early would have thought it was an SC home game. When they did come in, they waited for the SC band to finish before they started to play, even though we all know the SC band drones on and on forever.

2) The band decided to play west side story songs during the SC game. What the F is that? Was Lawrence Welk not available? How pathetic. Do they think that will do anything to get the crowd or football team  involved? The band should be playing something upbeat that people under 65 will recognize.

3) Sound system and musical selections on the PA are outdated and not up to current standards. Can't hear anything, and when you do it is not topical or modern.

4) Who agreed to allow the trojan to stick a sword in our field? He should be banned from future appearance at the rose bowl. The fact that he wasn't removed from the stadium immediately is shameful. 

5) Why do we allow their horse on our home field? He should be banned as well.

6) Season ticket holders whose seats are used by trojans should have those seats go back into the season ticket pool and have to start with seats again. If they can't use them, or find another bruin to use them, they should just eat them. If they aren't willing to do that, someone else should have access to those seats that will.

7) Do not schedule the game for "dead week" if you are not willing to make an exception for the anti-SUC activities including the bonfire. Either make the exception, or get the game moved.

If we are expecting more from our team, we have to expect more from our band director, the folks planning game time activities, and our fans. Its only fair.

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Solid post

I agree with pretty much all of your points especially number 4. That is unacceptable.

As for number 2, I am little ambivalent about that. I have a lot of respect for our band and the tracks they select. I don’t really care about micromanaging those folks.

However, I am fully on board with 4 and 5. Those should be no brainers.

by Nestor on Dec 7, 2008 8:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

#7

Point #7 really needs to be addressed, since the move of the UCLA-USC game to December seems to be permanent, thanks to the BCS (another reason not to like it, IMO). I can’t conceive of there not being another UCLA bonfire and pep rally during the week of the game because of this scheduling change. They need to make an exception.

by McNown to Farmer on Dec 7, 2008 8:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not next year at least

UCLA – USC game is November 28.

by inhowlandwetrust on Dec 7, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanksgiving weekend....

That really sucks!!! Probably won’t be able to attend b/c we’ll be out of town. First time in nearly a decade I’ll miss a game…

by Bald Eagle on Dec 8, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post

I agree with Silver. Does anyone in charge give any thought to letting them stick a sword in our field, etc? Or is it that no one at the top cares about such things?

I can still recall my days back in school (late 80s, early 90s) when the SUC band would be on our field and their drums—and their drums only—would beat for about 15 to 20 minutes straight. It drove us out of our minds, which was probably their intent. It was almost like it was signaling the arrival of an army. It was all business on their part which, surprise surprise, it is. And it allowed their band to set the tone for all arriving visitors before the game.

Let’s be honest here: SUC is a football factory. They do ok from time to time in some other sports, but their emphasis has always been football and winning at any cost. And—gag—they know what they are doing when it comes to football.

Kurt Streeter, whose lack of understanding and knowledge about football is frightening given that he is allowed to write about football (and I happen believe he is an otherwise intelligent person) has been beating his own drum for awhile arguing that UCLA is not a football factory because our athletes actually attend class, and thus we will never consistently match up with the SUCsters. There is a some truth to this. As is obvious, UCLA is not a “football factory,” and our NCAA championships in a wide variety of sports demonstrate that we are far more than only a “basketball school.” Contrast again with SUC: They want to win every year at football and that is the top priority.

But Silver’s list speaks of things within our control (although I would also dissent on the comments wrt the band). We may not always beat SC, but we can certainly make the RB a little less comfortable for them by setting down some guidelines. Contrary to what SC’s thugs might think, it is not their home.

by Barnes2JJ on Dec 7, 2008 9:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

#6 Is Right On Point

As I wrote, in another thread yesterday, I am sick and tired of Bruin alums selling their tickets to the enemy, sitting home and watching the games on TV.

I had season tickets on the sunny side, Row 44 50 yard line. Not one game went by where there would not be enemy fans in seats around us.

Nothing was more embarrassing than the two Rose Bowl games we played against Wisconsin — when there was more Red in the stands than Blue and Gold — and they turned our home field into theirs.

I also wrote what I think we should do with that sword if they ever try to plant it on our field again.

Finally, I think we should get a real Bruin Bear as a mascot and teach it to crap on their field.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 7, 2008 9:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The one thing I'd add

is the students need to show more support at games. I don’t know if the students just don’t care enough or the Morgan Center doesn’t do a good enough job getting student out there, but there is no reason for the student section to have so many empty seats. It was full for yesterday’s game, but a full student section has not been the norm the past few seasons. There’s no reason for a school with nearly 26,000 undergrads can’t fill the student section any time after classes begin.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 7, 2008 10:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's also a smaller section

than when Fox and I went to school.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 7, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And the stupid horse didn't even THINK about being on the Bruins side of the field.

OK, PETA people, start sending the cards and letters. The stupid horse never came on our side of the field, because anything that could be thrown would have been (and in the past had been) thrown at the horse and the trOJie riding it. And why is it that the trOJans can only find scawny little guys with alabaster legs to be their costumed trOJan?

Re number 4 – next time we play at the Crapaseum, maybe someone should take some spray paint to the middle of the field and write a nice giant UCLA.

by Fox 71 on Dec 7, 2008 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

No PETA protection for that stupid horse here Fox. Fire away!

by Nestor on Dec 7, 2008 4:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe "scrawney little guys with alabaster legs"

are the only guys willing to walk into a testosterone-filled stadium dressed in a skirt.

by bornagainbruin on Dec 8, 2008 7:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In the 80's

when I was attending the games, the student section went from the 45 yd line to the end zone, and it was usually full. There were card stunts each game. And the music the band played was out of date even then…

Bob O. (Signholder #3)

by TuneMan7 on Dec 8, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree

As a current student, I felt embarrassed at the lack of support for our team from the great majority of my fellow classmates not only throughout the entire season, but specifically yesterday. From being called ridiculous and stupid for loudly cheering or chanting to get our team fired up, to hearing that we should accept that SC is just always going to be better than us at football, to the SC fans rendition of “tusk” being louder than any 8clap or pro-Bruin chant throughout the entire game, it was a very disappointing and saddening environment to say the least.

I really hope this changes in the coming seasons. It seems like the only ones who care are the ones who attend “the den” meetings plus maybe a handful or two more. We all need to have Bruin pride, no matter what. We need to make the Rose Bowl a daunting place for opponents to come play.

by sevascisum on Dec 7, 2008 5:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

But many of your classmates are too busy throwing up whiny excuses on why they couldn’t make it to the game.

“Wah wah finals. Wah wah papers.”

I guess time management is something only taught to those who give a s**t about their Bruins.

by Bellerophon on Dec 7, 2008 8:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I think its a combination of many things that results in the student section being empty besides suc and cal/stan home games. When i was in school, graduated last year, I felt that many students didn’t know how to get to the football games. I maybe recall once seeing a sign about bus passes to take the bus from i think lot 32 to rose bowl and back. If anything they need to get the signs up in dorms (esp 1st and 2nd years who dont have cars) and if anything run the buses out of ackerman turnaround, because sadly a lot of ppl are lazy asses who didnt want to walk down to kinross. Another reason is that the season starts about a month before school starts so a lot of students aren’t even here, I would say advertise more, but unfortunately i dont think the student body from areas outside of socal are willing to go out of there way to see a football game =/. While i was at ucla i only missed one home game becaue of band and my parents teaching me to love ucla football since a little kid (I scratch and claw for tickets, going to finally buy season tickets next year cause i got a job =). IIRC 1994 rose bowl, I remember we were sitting in the “ucla section” but were surrounded by nice ppl from the midwest. If anything I did convert one guy to love UCLA football, it was my roommate from last year, took him to first UCLA football game (he never attended one as student) and he was hooked. Sadly I think the case is like my roommates where a lot of students “don’t see the value of spending a day” (ppl have told me this) in Pasadenda tailgating and going to a football games until they acutally do. My buddies and are sad the season is over we were hoping for bowl game, wouldn’t care if it was the toilet bowl because we wanted to be able tailgate one more time and experience UCLA football somewhere.

by redsand514 on Dec 14, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Marching Band

As a senior in band, I have a few thoughts towards your first two comments.

The Bruin Athletic Department decides when we march into the stadium, which is typically about 40 minutes before the game begins. I honestly think its a great time to go in. We march in the stadium while playing our main cadence and Sons of Westwood for a ton of fans who are still tailgating, and they all seem to get into higher spirits as they chant and clap along with our fight song. If we went inside the Rose Bowl any earlier, we would be playing for a nearly empty crowd. Of course we want to play for the players, but we also play for all of the Bruin fans.

We worked harder and put in more hours for the West Side Story show than on any other (we learn a different one for every home game) this year, and I believe it paid off, especially after watching the Cal fans at the Berkeley game stand out of their seats to cheer for us, and having trojan fans come up to me after the game to tell me how much they enjoyed our show (which isn’t surprising since its the only game out of the year where they get to see a good performance).

We play pop tunes during the game, before the game, and usually afterwards as well, just not at half time. Please do not call us or our choice for our half time shows pathetic.

By the way, I would hope that our halftime show would not pump up the football team, since that would mean they would not be in the locker room listening to their coaches.

by Bruin Drums on Dec 7, 2008 10:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Bruin Drums

Regarding West Side Story vs. The Offspring:

I can all but guarantee that if you polled the entire 87,000+ in attendance, more people would be able to recognize and name each of the WSS songs than the Offspring songs. Can YOU name all three of their songs? I do know that the second one they played is straight out of their stand tune book that they play at every game. The UCLA band also has pop tunes that are played at every game that get the team and fans hyped up. But the halftime show is where the band gets to show off and actually demonstrate their technical skills. The UCLA halftime show displayed more intricate music and had more intricate formations and the band is moving practically the entire show. The SC band stands still and rolls around in the grass.

I really don’t like calling out fellow Bruins, but I feel like you are speaking from a narrow minded point of view. I’m sorry that you are more a fan of the SC band than our own. This is not your first post where you wax poetic about your love of their band.

by drumfool on Dec 7, 2008 10:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I should have been more clear

I didn’t mean to critique the performance of the band, but the actual leadership of the band and the decision on how they are used during game day and the musical selections. None of these choices are up to the students.

In a like manner, when I criticized the baseball team under Gary Adams, it wasn’t personal about Gary, or about the players on the team, it was because the program had gotten stale and needed some new blood.

I support the band and want it to do well. If I implied anything other that, except my apologies because I know you guys don’t get the support you deserve.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 8, 2008 10:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

except=accept

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 8, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand who/what you are criticizing

You didn’t really respond to my post. Your original post says that you did not think that Bernstein was a good musical choice. I defended the decision to play music that the majority of the crowd would recognize (WSS vs. Offspring). You made yourself “more clear” by telling me you were not attacking the students.

by drumfool on Dec 8, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure you actually read my post

I don’t believe I ever complimented the SUC band, nor did I recommend 12 year old songs by the offspring as a better choice. What I stated was

1) We should not allow the SUC band to play in our home stadium while we are outside, nor should we defer to them with that song of theirs that never ends. and

2) The selection of westside story was uninspiring for our rivalry game.

Since coming to UCLA 26 years ago Gordon did westside story in 1985, 1999 and now in 2008. I think we would be well served by putting a little more creativity in our rivalry game, and trying some new things.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=ucla+band+westside+story&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 8, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

link won't post for some reason

but if you need confirmation that this is at least the third time around for west side story, google ucla band west side story

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 8, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey silver

Have you reached out to Gordon about this issue? I think you should and knowing the kind of person Gordon is he will be more than happy to take in constructive feedback.

Just my 2 cents.

As I have said above, when it comes to music and band … I have no problem deferring to our band.

We have bigger issues to worry about when it comes to UCLA football, not about a band which is regarded as one of the best in the country.

by Nestor on Dec 8, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ill drop him a note and let you know what he says...

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Dec 8, 2008 9:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

re: UCLA band

First time commenter, here to throw my two cents in (as a junior in the band).

With regard to point #1:

Our pregame routine is a long-standing tradition. We have a parade march into the Rose Bowl at about T-40 minutes before kickoff. Bruin fans line the street to watch us go by, cheering, clapping along with Sons of Westwood. Other bands simply file into the stands and break into pop songs; we form into lines in the endzone and play for our football team until they head into the locker room. Then we go straight to the sidelines to prepare for the pregame show.

Also, we try not to play over other marching bands as a sign of class and respect for the other band. SC is under no such limitation.

As for point #2, I’m still struggling to accept that a Bruin fan would slam his own band for playing high-caliber music, and marching a high-caliber show, rather than doing scatter drills and powering through a few Offspring tunes. The fact that our fans are so ambivalent about our shows is really striking to me. We’re a part of UCLA, just as much as CRN and the Ben Ball squad.

I guess the only other thing I’ll say is this: constructive criticism is one thing. Calling the band out as “pathetic” is something else entirely.

by bruin sax on Dec 7, 2008 11:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

PS

Thanks Nestor for your classy attitude re: the band

by bruin sax on Dec 7, 2008 11:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Its all good

I have written many times before. I love our band. I always believe there is room for improvement and Gordon can use more resources and we plan to send him some his way. However, all in all I dig our band and have incredible respect for the work the kids put in being member of the UCLA band. I am proud of them.

by Nestor on Dec 8, 2008 4:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

re. UCLA band

My only issue with the band’s halftime show is that I don’t get to hear it every other game since they alternate which direction they face. But I can accept the fact that both sides of the stadium deserve to hear it. The song choice didn’t bother me, but I’d prefer anything our band did since they sound so much better than the other bands we hear.

Otherwise, I totally agree about everything else. Especially the sword and horse.

by UclaBruin47 on Dec 8, 2008 2:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Band

Our Band has always and continues to be great.

I have always enjoyed it.

But, now that I have a kid marching in a Texas high school band and/or performing in the color guard, I know a lot more about the technical things than I did before.

It is clear that we perform more difficult formations and that we have much more movement than other bands from the West Coast. It’s a lot harder to play on the move than it is to play standing still. Having taught in the Big 10 for many years, I’ve always admired their bands. I think our band would fit right in and meet their high standards.

I also think it unfair and inappropriate to second guess the artistic judgments made by the band director and his staff. It’s like second guessing Norm Chow’s play calling. Yes, people here do it, but I’m not sure they know enough to do so.

I watched the game on TV and didn’t see the performance. But, I would think West Side Story an appropriate selection — isn’t UCLA the story of the West Side?

There also seems to be a disagreement about the function of the band. If our players, or our student section need something like Band music to pump them up for the sc game, they have a deep problem.

From my kid’s experience, I know that the Band puts in as much time practicing as the football team — that it is a demanding task both in terms of time and commitment.

Obviously, no entity is above criticism. But, the criticism should be constructive and from a knowing source. And, the criticism should be on the quality of the performance not on the artistic judgments that shaped it. Finally, “pathetic” is not a positive way to criticize anything Bruin.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 8, 2008 8:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Point #1 is factually incorrect

I was on the field during warmups. Our band was playing at the back of the end zone while our players were warming up. The SC band did the same on the other side of the field. Both bands played at about the same volume. I have no idea what our band played, but the songs seemed to bring a sense of focus and intensity to the atmosphere.

Then, after the players went into the locker rooms, the SUC band played on the field. Perhaps silverlakebruin entered the Rose Bowl after player warmups.

by bornagainbruin on Dec 8, 2008 8:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The one thing I'd ask of the band

and it’s probably not their decision, but the Morgan Center’s, is to stay on the field when the players run out. I always thought it was awesome to see some of the SEC, ACC and Big 10 teams who run out of the tunnel and through a tunnel of the band playing the fight song. They do it on Senior Day and I wish they’d do it for every game. Check out the video of Virginia Tech’s entrance below (possibly my favorite entrance in the country) and seeing the band on the field jumping up and down has got to help the fans in the stands get excited. Throw in the players running through the tunnel of band members playing the fight song and it’s awesome. I wish we’d do that. Hopefully the band or more likely the Morgan Center, whoever makes the decisions, tries it for next season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjJolf1IBPA

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Dec 8, 2008 9:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

West Coast Soft

Rye, thanks for the lead to the video.

While watching it, a thought crystallized. Our fans are “soft”. We just don’t get into it the way others do.

It used to be that people said West Coast teams were soft — sprout eaters and all that. Didn’t like physical games.

Our teams, under CBH, CRN and crew (especially DW) are not considered soft, anymore.

But, I wonder about our fans who wander in late, leave early, sell tickets to opponents, — I wonder if we are as strong as our teams have become.

I know that people like to say that unlike people in West Virginia, LA people have a lot of things competing for their attention. But, when you are a Bruin, there is no competition on game days.

We need to toughen up.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 8, 2008 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a great entrance

We should totally do something like that.

A UCLA BASKETBALL halftime show two years ago had some Polynesian musical group going off on the drums. I’ve always thought that would totally fire up the players and the crowd at a football game when the players came out.

by bornagainbruin on Dec 8, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Tele

your great slide show also has some very cool shots of the band playing for the team as it warmed up.

I loved the one with all of the trombones sort of framing the first row of the end zone stands.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 9, 2008 6:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My unbiased take on the band.

As a totally and completely unbiased observer (and listener) I have long believed that UCLA’s band was the best in the country. The other band always seemed tinny. Of course, that may be a result of having a repetoire of exactly two songs (both of which totally suck anyway.)

Does anyone remember the year (or years) when the band wore little directional speakers on their backs so that the sound went at the same volume in all directions? Whatever happened to that notion? I thought it worked pretty well (and that from a guy who thinks no microphones should ever be used on any stage.)

And sjh will remember the battle of the bands at the Sports Arena when we played justsc a month or two after the greatest game of all – the 20-16 game. justsc played their version of the 1812 Overture, then our band played it properly, and Terry Stewart had his finest hour – he lead the cheer that went “Twenty to Sixteen Overture.” The roof just about came off that crappy building. I will never forger that as long as I live.

by Fox 71 on Dec 9, 2008 9:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Geezer Goose Bumps and Another Story for the Youngsters

Fox,

You’ve done it again.

These memories are so great that when you bring them up I get goose bumps.

I was on the Terry Stewart crew — and will never forget that moment.

Our band blew them away.

And, now that we are being old and nostalgic — you know what I miss? Our incredible halftime card show. Rally Com put together intricate, creative and usually powerfully humorous card stunts.

Wow, it is great to be a Bruin!

sjh

PS. The 20-16 game brings back another Stewart memory. We did not tolerate that horse on our side of the field (remember, youngsters, at the time we were sharing the Coliseum with them). Really, they didn’t dare run it past. Anyway, they ran the horse around their side of the field and Stewart told the crowd that we were going to do a cheer in honor of the horse — and we all chanted “Hoof Hearted”. (Say it out loud and quickly.) We must have had 40 or 50,000 fans on our side of the field and that cheer came out crisp and clear and loud. There was absolute silence on the other side of the field — and then, when our fans realized what we had done, there was loud laughter on ours. IIRC, we were visited by JD Morgan who, with a smile, said something about not doing that cheer again.

Those were the days when the student section, the band, the card stunts, the cheering, anchored the Bruin game day experience.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Dec 10, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I had forgotten "Hoof Hearted."

What ever happend to Stewart, anyway? (And Fraley?)

Those were indeed the days. Current students, don’t forget to take all this in. You are now experiences what will be your good old days. (And I still recommend leaving the alcohol out. I am saddened by the fact that there are many of my good old days that I just don’t remember because of excessive alcoholic intake. You can still have fun drinking non alcoholic stuff.

OK, end of commercial for MADD.

by Fox 71 on Dec 10, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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