Not How We Play Ben Ball
The day after we lost our first game against Texas Dan Guerrero fired Karl Dorrell. The day after we lost our second game against the Gap Closers CRN hired Norm Chow. I don’t think we are getting any such life lines. No matter how badly we want it no one is going to fire Kathy Olivier today. And even firing a worthless coach like her will not make the sour taste go away from Sunday.
There was a reason we were scared about this game. Let’s put one myth to rest. I have seen some comments here and there today about how we lost to some team with no talent on its roster. Well that assertion is BS and not based on any kind of fact. Bruins were not taking on a team like Oregon State yesterday. They were taking on a team which featured 2 5 star and 5 4 star athletes that Romar had stockpiled based on his early success when he arrived at Seattle. [See scout.com ratings] That kind of talent isn’t too far from our team which featured 3 5 stars and 6 4 star recruits from last four years. Huskies were not some little sisters of the poor. Yes, they have had a horrific season (which is not going to turn because of an aberration on Sunday). But the reason for that hasn’t been lack of talent but due to Romar and his staff (as admitted by Romar) inability to develop and harness the talent and put together a cohesive team. However, as we witnessed during the Lavin era, as long as there is talent, even a poorly coached, dysfunctional team playing jungle ball can have its day against well coached, fundamentally sound programs every now and then. And that’s what happened yesterday. The Huskies came out with fire and passion, and for once played up to their talent. Our team (the entire team) came out flat, failed to match that passion and intensity, and inexplicably lived up the standards of Ben Ball they have set last few years in Westwood.
The loss was on the entire team. The entire team ranging from the head coach to the 9th man in rotation shoulder the responsibility for this loss. By now everyone has already pointed how DC had the worst game of his UCLA career. He knows it and he admitted as such following the game. From Dohn:
"It was bad. It was horrible," Collison said. "I wasn't aggressive at all, like I was before. There's no word to explain it. I tried to pick my teammates up. I really feel bad. I really take credit for this team's loss."
However, I wonder why Coach Howland took so long to make a defensive switch. I get that DC is probably the best on ball defensive guard in our team (and one of the best in the country). However, by second half it was clear he wasn’t getting it done. So wouldn’t it have made sense to switch Westbrook to Dentmon earlier in the game? That could be a good question to ask CBH in this week’s press conference.
However, it is unfair to put this loss just on DC. The entire team didn’t play up to our standards yesterday. Shipp voiced the cold reality on yesterday’s performance following the game (from Dohn linked above):
Even the guys who had decent days in the scoring column – Shipp, Westbrook, and Love – didn’t have good over all games. Shipp still wasn’t able to connect from long range. Westbrook was responsible for number of silly and careless turnovers, and Love frequently was taking time off on the defensive side.
And speaking of Love, I don’t appreciate this kind of comments from the freshman (also from Dohn):
"It's not really my call. I'm just working and playing as hard as I can and be a team guy."
It wasn’t just the star players. Dragovic was horrible. He wasted away all the confidence he had been gaining till yesterday, by taking hurried shots, wild plays that effectively amounted to TOs. Same for Keefe, who started off all right but lost his composure down the stretch. There were three straight series during which he was the source for bad shots, turn overs, and stupid foul that threw away any chance of grabbing hold of momentum for our team. Stanback looked lost as well. Just really disappointing performance from all three given how they have been showing promises at various times on the road. When these guys they just need to make sure they are steady, playing smart ball, and trying not to do too much. I imagine they will recover eventually but they were all part of a total team letdown in Seattle.
Lastly, I was going to make a point about officiating, but it looks BHW beat me to the punch. What he said.
Anyway, it was an awful Sunday. But the sky is not falling. Going into this trip, I was hoping for a split without Luc. We got it. I just thought the victory was going to come in Seattle and I got greedy after Thursday night. We are tied for the conference lead but we have the head to head win over Stanford. At this point my advise to you is not get too caught up whether we are going to bring banner number 12. Honestly, my main concern right now is holding on the Pac-10 title. Its not going to be easy. I won’t be surprised if there are couple of more losses lurking around the horizon. Coach Howland had said the Pac-10 champion may end with a 14-4 record. He may turn out to be prophetic. The trick for our team is not to get down on itself too much, and figure out how to play their game. Because what we saw yesterday afternoon: that’s not how we play Ben Ball.
GO BRUINS.
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excellent commentary
it is important to remember a few things about this team:
1-they don't make excuses
2-this was a very abnormal performance
3-this was a classic trap game
personally imho that the illness that was reported on collison earlier in the week impacted him. he is too classy and no one on the team will ever use excuses like that, they shouldn't, and it isn't an excuse, but i think it does bode well for future performance...
we will of course see whether we have anything to worry about saturday
by glassbruin on Feb 11, 2008 6:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Love keeps this up...
by kballs on Feb 11, 2008 6:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Missing Something?
You and Nestor's points are well taken; there is no place for bitching, whining, and sour grapes even though it's what the press is looking for. Making excuses and complaining is demeaning of one's own ability.
Speaking of reasons to complain, however, an exception might be made for the inbounds play with about 2:00 left to play. I believe it was Poindexter who whanged on off of Aboya's nose to avoid a five-second call. Several in the game commentary thread thought it was classless and you can add my name to that list. I still wonder why the refs didn't call a "T".
Up until that point, I was ready to concede that we were out-hustled. That act made me sincerely sorry we didn't have yet another game against these buttholes.
They go up there on my sh-t list of opponents I hope the Bruins destroy at every opportunity they meet -- right below LSJU and the Condoms.
by whp68 on Feb 11, 2008 6:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I Agree
by bruininthelbc on Feb 11, 2008 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhat Agree
by Tydides on Feb 11, 2008 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I got a little carried away
by kballs on Feb 11, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have to reluctantly agree
UW played great D yesterday, especially on Love. The passing angles were not there and to the credit of our guys, they did not force the ball. We didn't effectively drive and dish either which is often a good way to get Love involved if the pass to the post isn't there. Again, I agree that I didn't see a lot of missed opportunities.
KLove has to realize that this is already a situation where upperclassmen are prone to jealousy given the hype and the fact that most of the guys have been to two final fours and know they are good. In that sort of environment, comments about teammates not getting him the ball enough are totally counterproductive. I'm hoping this is the exception to KLove's true feelings about the topic and that we're missing some of the context/body language, etc. when it's translated to print. But I'm starting to wonder frankly.
by TRex on Feb 11, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On a positive note
Bottom line is it is a great time to be a Bruin fan. I like our team's chances in the tourney regardless of seed - I don't see any teams out there that I worry we don't have a shot at beating.
by TRex on Feb 11, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I cringed reading that
by BlueReign on Feb 11, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True about Kevin
by madmaxucla on Feb 11, 2008 6:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Take the Good w/ The Bad...
With no Afflalo or Farmar to get in the rest of the Bruins faces, the leader position is up for grabs. And right now, it feels like K.Love may be gunning for that spot.
by RScal on Feb 11, 2008 7:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sideshow Noah
by ishXdavid on Feb 11, 2008 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
by Raisin on Feb 11, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to say it
As for Love, while the frustration of losing while not taking full advantage of your abilities is understandable, he does not need ot share those frustrations with the media.
by bruinhoo on Feb 11, 2008 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Apples and oranges
Kevin Love is a freshman in a UCLA program that is coming off two Final-4s. It was his team-mates like Shipp, Collison, Mata-Real who have done the work of putting together something special in last four years.
If Love wants to be a leader he needs to earn it. I remember Afflalo and Farmar deferring to Dijon Thompson in their freshman year. Love needs to show the same respect to his team-mates.
So comparison to Noah/Bulls if off base. Bulls (the current version) is not the "UCLA" of the NBA.
by bluestreet on Feb 11, 2008 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Love is RIGHT
One more thing. If Drago ("he will break us"), Stanbeck or Keefe has any major role on this team next year, we will not win 20 games, and we may not finish about .500 in conference. It's plainly obvious that Drago does not fit Ben Ball (let alone D-I at this point), Stanbeck is a bit player, and Keefe is a serviceable but SPASTIC role player. It's a crime that LMR has lost any time to Keefe at all.
by JimChones on Feb 11, 2008 8:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
Are you arguing that Love is not the "focal point" of our offense despite the fact that he is the freaking leading scorers of this team.
News flash. This is not Kansas State or SuC where a hot shot comes in and automatically is entitled to taking 25-30 shots a game. Doesn't work that way.
Love's team-mates have done a lot to get him involved. They have been running the offense through him and centered around him.
They didn't get it done yesterday. But as N said it was a total team failure and it was not just based on the fact that Love didn't get enough touches.
Love also screwed up on D time after time. So instead of whining in the press he needs to STFU a little and figure out what can he do to make his team better.
And LMR lost some time to Keefe this game because Keefe had a great game against Wazzu. He will get his mins eventually. But yesterday LMR was also getting dominated by Brockman like rest of our frontcourt.
It also sounds like you haven't been watching. This team has had three bad games on offense. They are 21-3, leading the Pac-10 and has stats pointing them as one of the best offensive teams in the nation. Its not our team who looks lost on our offense, sounds like you are lost when watching our games. In other words you sound like bandwagoning UCLA hoops fan speaking up after a rare loss.
by bluestreet on Feb 11, 2008 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I lost him after
by Tydides on Feb 11, 2008 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Forget offense
by jjreicher on Feb 11, 2008 8:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks ...
by Achilles on Feb 11, 2008 8:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy watching
I guarantee Howland will address this with him..and put him in place. Love or anyone else isn't above the team!
And if he does keep having this attitude he will definitely have a rude awaking once he reaches the next level. For someone at his size he won't be dominating the post at all.
by abby8065 on Feb 11, 2008 9:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Noah and Love
But here is also the difference between the two..as much as I hate Noah, he was calling out his teammates for not playing with passion and intensity. Love is calling his teammates for not giving him the damn ball. Calling out teammates never brings players together, it only breads resentment. Hopefully this will bring a little humility to Love.
by abby8065 on Feb 11, 2008 9:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's disappointing
And he needs to learn to not show up the refs and be demonstrative, asking for fouls or pushes or techs. Just play and let the coaches worry about that. I hope Howland ripped them a new one at half time and after because they deserved it. Good news is they got it out of their systems and it shouldn't happen again with the low energy. Maybe the depressing, gloomy climate took it out of them.
by bruin95 on Feb 11, 2008 10:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
We need to calm down..
But also, we have to remember how frustrated we'd be if this were in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
Man, I'd lose it too when UCLA would head up north and blow one against Oregon or (especially) Stanford in their barns. I hated those Sunday afternoon upsets. But I knew Wooden would get it straightened out by tournament time; he seemed to 10 times in 12 years. And we can be glad that Ben (Like The Coach before him) is on the case. This'll get squared away and we'll get back to some serious ass-kicking during the stretch run.
Besides, like someone posted here, we'll be in the tournament and these ball-throwing-nose-breaking thugs will be watching us on TV.
by whp68 on Feb 11, 2008 11:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agree
by popopapa on Feb 11, 2008 1:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Predicted 15-3...
We could only wish to be so lucky and have the team be healthy all season long or play a wonderful schedule a la Memphis...
by RScal on Feb 11, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
E-mailing the pac-10
by Raisin on Feb 11, 2008 2:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If only I were at home...
by bruinhoo on Feb 11, 2008 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Love, please learn!
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes. When you blame others you are trying to excuse yourself. When you make excuses you cannot properly evaluate yourself. Without proper evaluation, failure is inevitable."
by AeroBruin on Feb 11, 2008 2:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Point the finger elsewhere
by brewinz on Feb 11, 2008 2:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
UCLA played like crap so be it..they couldn't hit a 3 pointer to save their lives that is the coaches fault? Almost everyone had a horrible game, it happens. The whole team takes the blame as well as Howland..but to say the team was unprepared is crazy! Howland never looks past opponents, that isn't is style.
by abby8065 on Feb 11, 2008 3:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Officiating
NOW as far a Pondexter and the trow to the face. He should have been ejected from the game and in reality should be suspended for not less than 3 games.
He could have done serious damage to the eyes, facial bone structure, broken nose. Aboya was lucky this time but some other kid might not be so lucky if this type of foul is allowed to persist. For the sake of the game and the players the NCAA should immediately take action.
by Blue Critter on Feb 11, 2008 4:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
PS
by Tydides on Feb 11, 2008 9:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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