Post-Traumatic Syndrome

by Telemachus on Mar 23, 2008 2:31 AM PDT in Basketball

So who woke up a little woozy this morning? My neighbors are probably getting a petition together to get me arrested for disturbing the peace. Good thing my wife and kids weren't home. So before they all come after me, I'd better get this post up.

If you missed in the post-game thread, here is the clip of Love's two fade-away jumpers and Collison's first drive to the hoop for a 49-47 lead with 55 seconds to go. The next clip is Collison's game-winner and Westbrook's scream that released the built-up tension of the collective Bruins Nation.

I was too exhausted to go through the game recording to get all of the highlights. Instead, for the whiners about the possible non-call at the end of the game on Shipp's block, I have these two WTF calls that didn't go our way. First is the foul called on Luc late in the game. It really should have been a no-call, since RW had already recovered the ball while the Aggie player was diving over the pile. Any contact by Luc (minimal) should have been deemed incidental. Second is the egregious foul called on Collison against Sloan, who basically hugs Collison with both arms before slinging him down. So if Sloan is bitching about the no-call at the end of the game, to that, I say bachi!

I also have the Sports Central segment that followed the game. It's almost 20 minutes long and contains post-game interviews and lots of highlights.

Additionally, here are clips from the local KNBC4 and CBS2 sports segments, which include more highlights and interviews.

It will be nice today to simply enjoy watching the game deciding our next opponent. Then, in a few days, we just do it all again!

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What a Day!

And what an evening. A truly wonderful experience down in anaheim today. Started with a thrilling overtime victory for our pac ten brethren Stanford. The bruin were really behind furd and after a game changing ejection, they showed a lot of heart bouncing back.

Then there was our game, our seats were great but right in the heart of the aggie donor section, but they're a generally good fan base and their team should be commended on playing tough physical ball, and showing a lot of heart.

In the end, I have to say that was one of my favorite crowds of the year, and I truly believe we helped give our boys the extra fight to stay in it. I may of lost a few years off my life tonight, but years well spent. When I wake up im going to try to put it behind me rather quickly though, as we'll soon know our next opponent.

O.A.

by Ollie on Mar 23, 2008 2:38 AM PDT reply actions

woke up? how about still awake!

I don't think any die-hard Bruin who was at the game tonight can get to sleep. I recorded the game and am re-watching the last few minutes. RW's dunk was incredible! Go Bruins!

by mark the bruin on Mar 23, 2008 2:47 AM PDT reply actions

I can't stop watching highlights

and reading articles and comments. It's so hard to unwind after going to games like this. Thanks so much for these clips, great job!

by Bruins095 on Mar 23, 2008 2:51 AM PDT reply actions

Wow that takes me back

Everyone's favorite word in middle school (where I grew up) was bachi.

by Tydides on Mar 23, 2008 2:51 AM PDT reply actions

haha yea

im like still so amped...i can't believe its easter tomorrow..i think my favorite moment in the game was kevin's back to back block sequence, man i was fired up. I had this real weasel of an AM fan in front of me just barking for fouls on all 7 or 8 of kevin's blocks.

I really wish i had tivo so i could see it all again on t.v. Although today wasn't like upset city in tamapa as far as results go, I'd have to say we got the two best back to back games of the tourney as of yet.

O.A.

by Ollie on Mar 23, 2008 2:59 AM PDT reply actions

I'm still amped

and it's Monday morning! I love reading all the posts about how nuts everyone goes during the games. Sometimes I get so amped up I can barely watch the games!

After this game my oldest texted my youngest..."Is Mom alive?"

I told him to reply..."Barely!"

by ktbruin on Mar 24, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions

There was a fan near me barking

about east coast basketball and harping on bruins all game. I asked him how Duke did, reminded him 3 pac-10 teams are in sweet 16 and simply pointed to the scoreboard at the end. 11 national championships. nuff said.

by Bruins095 on Mar 23, 2008 3:15 AM PDT reply actions

Thank you Telemachus!

I missed the post-game interviews, so thanks for providing them.

by dokein on Mar 23, 2008 4:18 AM PDT reply actions

Some Things Are Better Not Shared With Family

While I watched this game in my home in Houston, my wife and daughter were in Pasadena (CA not Texas).

They get upset when I scream during games thinking the neighbors will call the cops for fear someone is getting murdered in the house.

My wife watched, demurely, in Pasadena.

So, Tele, I understand what you are saying.

This morning, I put up the UCLA flag in front of my house.

I think the Aggies played a great game and have respect for them.

But, winning is what we do.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 23, 2008 6:31 AM PDT reply actions

Man, can I identify..

..I am not fit to be around during games like this. We are blessed with families who understand, aren't we?

By the way, sjh, you had posted in another thread that the last DC dunk was taken away because it occurred after 0:00 -- but I note the 53-49 score still stands in the papers and on the internet.

Is that the case?

God, it's great to be a Bruin!

by whp68 on Mar 23, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions

Ambigious

They definitely took it away right after (within 2 seconds) the game but for some reason reversed that decision later on.

by kidro2001 on Mar 23, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions

Glad they did..

..it allows some measure of..um..well, redemption. Kind of underscores the point that this team fights through adversity. In a way, it was like Tyus Edney's coast-to-coast bucket against Misery 13 years ago. To quote Marcus Johnson, "..yeah, baby! Yeah, baby! Yeah, baby!"

God, it's great to be a Bruin!

by whp68 on Mar 23, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions

From All of Us In Exile -- Thank You

for allowing us to bask in the victory.

The interviews, press conferences, replays make being away tolerable.

Tele, you're contributions to BN are deeply appreciated.

Thank you, again.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 23, 2008 6:56 AM PDT reply actions

Mega-Thanks Bruin Brothers

Cant thank you enough for the wonderful commentary, play-by-play descriptions and awesome highlights. Also a huge thanks to the person who posted the link to the streaming live video. I am stationed overseas and nowhere near anything that can catch UCLA on tv. Thanks to this I was able to watch the game on the computer and give my Dad (who does not like to watch the tournament games for the exact reasons described above) back in the states play-by-play via the link.
This was one special day. Happy Easter

by olehoss on Mar 23, 2008 7:25 AM PDT reply actions

another great win!.. 2 down....

thanks for the videos!.... appreciate it out here in the east where we only get tidbits....

by nycbruin on Mar 23, 2008 7:40 AM PDT reply actions

what was up with the old gray haired ref

Just about every call that we thought might have been a bad call, involved him. Does anybody know his name and his conference affiliation? He clearly was pro aTm.

by popopapa on Mar 23, 2008 9:26 AM PDT reply actions

LOL!

Yeah we were trashing that guy too. He is clearly too old to ref! :D

Go UCLA!

by madmaxucla on Mar 23, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions

Age Bigots!

On behalf of the Geezers, I have to call you out.

Young guys make bad calls too.

sjh

All of this said in jest.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 23, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions

Telemachus - Thank You!

Or as my wife would say, "You're watching those highlights again?" That is her compliment to you.

I watched this game online in my study, with her sleeping next door, before heading downstairs to the TV for the final minute. She only got woken up by a text message a fellow alum now living in Oregon sent me, and told me she never woke up to my cheering. I told her that because I wasn't cheering.

Inside my mind I was pleading and thumping and hollering - it was a game of internal sufferage. With Gonzaga, I was at a bar and thinking ah screw it, then holy mackeral! This game just wore me down. It's hard to even watch the highlights.

But I do anyway! Thanks again!

Vaya con dios.

by boston bruin on Mar 23, 2008 9:54 AM PDT reply actions

Anyone lose their voice this morning?

I rolled out of bed this morning and can hardly speak. The UCLA game is the front-and-center headline in this morning's LA Times and Daily News. Although the LA Times is trying to be controversial with their picture while the the Daily News shows Collison doing the mighty Bruin roar!

by mark the bruin on Mar 23, 2008 10:36 AM PDT reply actions

just the opposite

again, I holed up in the study where I had been reading law review papers by 2Ls (continued today... the horror... though Fox 71 et al gave me encouragement last year when I was trying to write one while following the Bruins - this is far better) and have a sore head rather than voice.

Vaya con dios.

by boston bruin on Mar 23, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions

yeah...

what is the deal with the LA times...what is their problem? i thought that was a pretty lame attempt at a low blow..

we will show them!

by bruin08 on Mar 23, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions

Love those Clips Showing the Other Bad Calls

Shipp deftly tapped at the ball, rather than swinging at it, which made it look like a great steal. In live action, I didn't see a foul, but the LA Times photo leaves little doubt about it. Thanks for showing the other bad calls, which could have put us with a four our six point lead. Plus, they guy would have had to have made both free throws, or we still win it. Plus we had momentum on them and would have won in overtime. Nevertheless, you can understand how the Aggies feel. On to Phoenix. Go Bruins!

by 75NatChamps on Mar 23, 2008 11:05 AM PDT reply actions

I don't

I see Sloan complaining to the media about not getting a call, but I don't see him complaining about drawing one by throwing his defender to the ground. I realize it's not something a player would ever do, but it goes to show that he's not complaining for the sake of fairness. He's complaining to absolve himself of responsibility for losing.

by Tydides on Mar 23, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions

Sloan played 35 minutes against UCLA

Assists 2
Turnovers 2
Steals 0
Blocks 0
Pts 12
Reb 1

There are ways in which he could have ensured a victory for his team, he wasn't robbed.

by bruinofthenorth on Mar 23, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions

With 10 minutes to play

Score was 44-36 A&M.

Here is Sloan's activity in the final 10 minutes, "crunch time" if you will:

0:43 Donald Sloan made Two Point Jumper.
Tied at 49.

That's after scoring 10 points in the first 30 minutes. He was a no-show while we made our comeback and held them to 5 points in 9 1/2 minutes. I guess I can't blame him. I'd probably want to talk about anything but the Amazing Disappearing Sloan act too if I were him.

by Tydides on Mar 23, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions

Wonder if..

..HornsFan is pissed about the last 10 minutes of "unwatchable Howland basketball"?

In a way, the first 30 minutes were unwatchable -- like a car wreck -- as one can tell from the strained posts during the game-time stream of comments. But, as a fan, you sign on for the whole ride.

God, it's great to be a Bruin!

by whp68 on Mar 23, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions

I was pretty confident...

that we'd win if we went to OT.

by Rich1996UCLA on Mar 23, 2008 11:28 AM PDT reply actions

The morning after

The clips are making me weep. Man, being a Bruin is so emotional.

Thanks again Telemachus. You are awesome.

by freesia39 on Mar 23, 2008 12:16 PM PDT reply actions

EXACTLY, Freesia

You nailed it.

Tele, you're a Godsend. Thanks.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Mar 23, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Another Geezer gripe

Apropos of nothing, I have a gripe, and a new rule to implement. New Geezer rule: An automatic technical every time there is the handshake business after a free thrown. It's a delay of game. (Next game I watch I'm going to keep track of this.)

In fairness, I would give the players a chance to avoid it. Before every game, the head referee would go to each bench, gather each team, and have each guy on each team give every other guy on his team a high five. That way, there would be no need to give the high five or the low five or whatever it's called after every free throw, whether it's made or missed.

(As you can see, it's a slow news day. If I were a fishwrap reporter, I'd fill in the dead time by doing a hit piece on Shipp or better still, a hit piece on Coach.)

by Fox 71 on Mar 23, 2008 12:25 PM PDT reply actions

Or, even if they miss the FT..

Also, propose a "T" when a team slaps or nudges the ball off the apron after they score a bucket. A&M did this more than a few times last night. Probably (and obviously) an attempt to control KL's inbound lasers.

I think under the rules, if it is too obvious or done too frequently, it garners a warning and then a "T". But it would be nice if they'd tighten up on that..

..no, wait, it'd probably send Bruin-haters and the MSM into paroxysms shrieking about UCLA favoritism.

God, it's great to be a Bruin!

by whp68 on Mar 23, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions

Amazing Games

Davidson comes from 17 down to beat Georgetown.

Butler takes Tenn to overtime before losing. (Free throw misses at end of game took away a chance to win).

So, we play a very tough Aggie team and win a close game. More power to us.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 23, 2008 2:09 PM PDT reply actions

WKU--DAAAANG!!!!!!

Them boys from Western Kentucky are really quick, athletic and long! This is no gimme for the Bruins.

by bruin75 on Mar 23, 2008 2:31 PM PDT reply actions

Once past the first round

there don't seem to be any gimme's.

Ask Tenn and Texas who won close games and Georgetown and Duke who lost.

Right now, Miss St. is hanging with Memphis.

Nothing comes easy at tournament time.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 23, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions

The last time we played a 12 seed in the SS

We lost.

by SuperBruinMan on Mar 23, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions

Updates

Yeah UCLA is in a lot of trouble. Going to the wire against the 16th best team in the country according to Pomeroy is certainly reason to hit the panic button. Similarly:

Miami takes Texas to the very end before losing 75-72. Miami is the 45th best team in the country (lower than Oregon).

Butler takes Tennessee to overtime before losing 76-71. Butler is the 30th best team (below Gonzaga).

Davidson beats Georgetown. We know Davidson is legit. No further comment is necessary there.

Memphis in a dogfight with 35th ranked Mississippi State.

Looks like the Bruins had the most quality second round win.

by Tydides on Mar 23, 2008 2:36 PM PDT reply actions

You guys stole my post

about how today's action puts yesterday's game in perspective. Looks like the only "cakewalk" belongs to Kansas so far. Hopefully everyone who pushed that meme has the decency to feel foolish right now.

by jlazarus on Mar 23, 2008 2:46 PM PDT reply actions

Popular perception

So I am not saying in any way, shape, or form that we don't deserve the wins that we got. Because we obviously do. But I just wanted to note 2 things that I have noticed in reading the threads here and out there in the blogosphere (been reading a lot of ESPN message boards too). On Bruinsnation, people have either been (1) defensive on the issue of foul calls that we got or didn't get, or (2) saying that those out there who have been denigrating our wins are just Bruin Haters. But put yourself in the position of most people in the country who don't watch the Bruins, and certainly never see an entire game. All they see are the last few seconds of the Cal game or the Stanford game, or the A&M game on Sportscenter. From that, one could easily perceive that we have benefited, in a one-sided way, from bad calls. Some of those were questionable at best, and others, like yesterday's game, were clearly fouls that could have been called.

All I am saying here is that given the sound-byte nature of the way sports (and politics for that matter, but don't get me started on that) are reported on, I think it is completely understandable how people think (emphasis on think) that we have been getting gift after gift from the refs.

Again, I am NOT saying that we don't deserve all our success, our 1 seed, or our spot in the Sweet 16. But, as behooves Bruin patriots (because we don't want to be Bruin nationalists), we should understand how the team could be perceived. And, on those rare occasions when it happens, we shouldn't be afraid to say we got lucky. Anyone who says that luck isn't part of sports needs to look again.

I am done pontificating.

Go Bruins!

by BruinSinceBirth on Mar 23, 2008 3:28 PM PDT reply actions

Fans are one thing -- the media another

I can understand how fans get wound up about one call in a game

But, I cannot understand or accept how anyone in the media -- a group responsible for searching out and telling the truth -- can look at one call, out of context, and distort it as though it were the key to, and turned, the entire game.

One call does not win or lose a game. If one wants to evaluate the ref's, look at the entire game and each call.

If one wants to say that one team profited from bad officiating, look at the entire game, and each call, and catalog the bad calls.

In a way, that's the approach Tele took when he took two bad calls and showed us the tape.

On one, when DC got thrown to the ground and then called for a foul, you can hear the TV announcers saying "The ref's missed that call."

Until the MSM do the job right, we have a right to respond to them by calling "Bullshit" on them.

And, we should be especially loud in calling it when the reporters are from the media in our own city.

Their job is to cover our team. The least they could do, before spouting off, is do the research to make sure what they are saying is supported by fact not invented folly.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 23, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions

The media perpetuate this BS

I had to write to Robin Norwood today:

Robin,

With all due respect, do you have to prove every cliche about pack mentality journalism? Sure, Sloane was fouled on the last shot. But Sloane also wrapped Collison in a bear hug and threw him to the floor earlier in the game. Not only was he not called for a foul, the referees called it on Collison. You can go to bruinsnation.com to see that one as well as the one in which the refs called a phantom foul on LRMAM when he and Westbrook were diving for a loose ball. If anything, the game was an example of how the breaks even out.

You might also have asked just how it was even possible that a smaller, faster, more talented, more athletic UCLA team got whistled for more fouls than a team known for having a bunch of bruisers who play very physical basketball. Does A&M ever get whistled for fewer fouls than its opponents except against UCLA? Answering that would have required something called research, which I know journalists are loathe to do these days, but if you're too lazy to do that, you could have flipped through the photos in your own newspaper and seen photos of A&M players grabbing Love's face and holding his arms. Where were the friendly whistles there? Could A&M's constant fouling (aka "physical play") without getting whistled for it have something to do with their ability to stop UCLA from scoring in the paint for most of the game?

You might also have pointed out Shipp's foul likely made no difference as not only was Sloane off-balance but Love, who had blocked seven other shots in the game, had timed the shot perfectly and was in position to swat the ball away if Sloan had released it.

But no. Conventional wisdom says UCLA got lucky again with the officiating because of one non-call in a game of 40 minutes of non-calls against A&M and a couple of egregiously bad calls against UCLA. And you are nothing but conventional.

Sincerely, etc

by Chandler on Mar 24, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions

Looks like I was wrong about Love's timing.

Probably wouldn't have blocked that shot. Not high enough. On the other hand, at 12.14 in the second half, Love blocks a shot, it goes out of bounds off the A&M player, possession awarded to...

If you guessed A&M, you'd be right.

by Chandler on Mar 24, 2008 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions

Fuck Memphis, they are out next round.

CBH: 3 straight PAC-10 titles, most since CJW!

by Lakers Bruins Fanatic on Mar 23, 2008 3:56 PM PDT reply actions

Memphis is done when they face Michigan St.

This team is not legit.

CBH: 3 straight PAC-10 titles, most since CJW!

by Lakers Bruins Fanatic on Mar 23, 2008 4:21 PM PDT reply actions

survive and advance

According to what? They won a game similar to ours, and if you look at our stat line from yesterday, you could say we're a two trick pony an offense with some lock down D. What did you see that you think can be exposed by MSU? I saw Dorsey attack that hoop all game.

Vaya con dios.

by boston bruin on Mar 23, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions

How is Josh shooting in practice?

Does anyone know whether Josh has been shooting poorly in practice as well? If so, they need to change up his role. He can't stand at the perimeter to wait to shoot the 3's. He needs to get more active and cut to the rack and take the pass and layup or kick out to DC. We can't continue to play 4 guys against 5 on the offensive end. Maybe LMR could get more PT by subbing more for Josh. That way we would have LMR and K-Love as the twin towers and the Prince active inside as well. We would just own the boards.

by bruin75 on Mar 23, 2008 4:42 PM PDT reply actions

We actually had that rotation for a while

But, as much as I love LMR, and that is a lot, we can't have him in the game when it depends on making FT's.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Mar 23, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions

Pressure

Some observations:

I notice that Russell and Josh's performances are affected when they are too hyped & amped up for games. Russell tends to be overly aggressive, is in a hurry; notice him overshooting free throws, getting charging calls. I think the media & fans should lay off Josh for awhile and let him play ball & have fun. He does not need his head to be overloaded with stuff.

Luc was trying to do to much in his first game in the tourney. His head wanted to go one way, but his ankle did not allow him to do it.

Kevin and Darren seem to do better when the pressure is up and their backs are against the wall.

I hope the experience from the previous tourneys and all the close games will help the Bruins play with poise. It helps to have a great coaching staff and a supportive fan base.

Go Bruins! See you in Phoenix!

by UCLA Champions Made Here on Mar 23, 2008 5:07 PM PDT reply actions

I think Shipp should see that game Marques called

I think it was the semi of the Pac 10 tourney where Marques Johnson mentioned that Shipp's strength used to be a nose for the ball and getting to the rim. He seems to be settling too much for the outside J rather than slashing to the glass for either a lay-up or a put back. His first year in particular he was the king of the point blank shot.

Granted, Love's being in the middle might be part of the issue as the spacing might not be the same as last year, but I would like to see Shipp try to take his guy on the dribble or head to the rim for the put back. I see no reason he can't be there when Kevin is outside popping 3s.

As for Luc, at least two of his charging calls were dead wrong as the player in no way had position and was still moving. I think this made Luc very tentative. A more reasonably reffed game and we should see the real Luc.

by Free the 16 on Mar 23, 2008 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions