Reasons why players should stay in school
Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook both announced their plans today to enter the NBA draft. This was expected but many of us held out hope that they might return (Westbrook may still). I for one was one of the latter; I felt that there was a slight chance that Love might come back for a second season to the eternal gratitude of Bruins everywhere.
The fact still remains that K-Love is gone but I wish him well in all his endeavors.
What disturbs me about this whole affair is all the so-called "realists" who chide us for believing that our school has something to offer and that a player should head directly to the draft to "get paid." They would be fools not to right? However, their "flawless" reasoning is suspect because it relies on the supposed truth that money is everything.
MONEY IS NOT EVERYTHING! Those of you who hold such a belief can leave now because your vapid existences might not be able to handle what I'm about to lay on you. There are other things in life, like the seven virtues of old. Temperance, generosity, and diligence, those virtues that lend to clarity of thought and purpose. We have patience, kindness, and humility, those that guide our actions with others leading us to realize that the interests of the self might just be connected with the interests to humanity as a whole. Finally, there is honor or the satisfaction that comes from living a life that is righteous.
Those of you who think that money is everything probably do not care about what I'm saying. That is fine, that is your choice but I am compelled to say something here. I'm at a law school now where everyone wants to be partner when they graduate. They care very little about justice or the people who are directly affected by the actions of such lawyers. It's not just in law school either; it's all around us, everyone just wants to "get paid." I'm not here to bemoan the larger problems of society but rather I'm here to tell you that there is more to life than money and that UCLA has more to offer than a mere stepping-stone to the pros. In fact, UCLA has given these players more than you would think.
First, there is the undying gratitude of the Bruins. Being part of a team that becomes something more than a revolving door has its perks. I can name the starting line-up for the Los Angeles Dodgers from the late-seventies/early-eighties by heart (no small feat as a child). That was a team, familiar faces that you pull for year in and year out. They only won it all once and had many heartbreaks along the way but they were our team and we tuned-in to watch them year in and year out. When you go one and done that doesn't happen. The allegiance that you engender in us, although powerful, will be fleeting. This is not because we want to forget or blame you for leaving but rather it is simple human nature. Once we win another title, you will be replaced or diminished in the memory of fans by that team. This is a shame but it is the way people are, they forget.
This might not seem important now but no one can predict the future. You could get hurt or never pan-out in the NBA. What will you have then? You will have some money! If that means everything to you, then I would suggest that you go through life and at the end tell me what is most important. It's not money, of that much I am sure. If you stayed at UCLA and played you would have a place in our hearts forever because you gave up money for one year to fight for us again. I tell you that means something because you would have our earnest gratitude and support forever. I can think of a million different ways why this is nice to have.
Never living up to the hype happened to Ed O'Bannon but Ed stuck around and got the title. When Ed walks into Pauley the crowd chants his name. He figured we had forgotten him. No way. When I buy my first Prius, I'm going to buy it from Ed if I can. Not only is getting 11 the highlight of Ed's basketball career, he has our eternal gratitude.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what KL did. I wish him all the best in the world. UCLA alumni and fans have a long memories and he will not be forgotten. I'll miss his never surrender attitude and the way he fought for us. However, although we knew from the beginning that he was probably one and done, the implication is there that he didn't care about UCLA as much as the money and fame. For me, I can use reason to not let my feelings taint the memory but the implication is still there lingering. I try not to think that such a player leaving our great institution after one year does any damage to UCLA's reputation. Unfortunately these feelings will linger and will wait for another Ed to help us hang 12 and make it go away. UCLA has given me everything and therefore I am compelled to write.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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No reason to stay if you can get drafted high
Most of the book knowledge you gain in college is never used; perspective and maturity are the true gifts of a college education. If you already have those attributes as well as a willing employer, there is no reason to stay. You can always pick up that esoteric math lesson after earning enough money to support you and your family's future.
by schumd on Apr 18, 2008 7:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you....in theory.
Honestly though, this is a real tough question. People forget that "leaving" is actually "dropping out of school," rarely an acceptable strategy.
Personally I feel the problem is with NCAA rules. The fact is, college players are unpaid professionals. Yes they have scholarships to pay for school, but that is very different from getting a salary. The NBA millions are tough to turn away, not only because of the monetary value, but because it is entry into "real" life with a "real" job. Schools like UCLA pay graduate students ~$25,000 to go to school--I don't see why you can't do this in basketball, as long as the value is standardized by the NCAA so schools don't have advantages. Schools would be more than willing to pay, as basketball programs make them most of their athletic $s. Probably people will say this idea is crazy. But for guys like Luc and Aboya, it would make the decision much easier, and even in some cases for guys like DC and RW (probably not KL).
KL: I wish he would've stayed for sentimental reasons, but he's such a mature individual. All he could gain from more college is better bball skills, and that can be done in the NBA.
DC: He should stay. He's a junior, one more year and he graduates, and his stock will not drop next year, because frankly "he's too small" isn't going to change and neither is "3 final fours." In DC's case, I agree w/ your point 100%.
Luc: Same.
Aboya: Aboya is done already, so what can be said? If he likes bball and wants to play, he should come back. Otherwise, not. Sounds like his life is kind of stressful, so taking a year of a few grad courses and playing bball might not be a bad idea, but that's his choice.
by jjreicher on Apr 18, 2008 8:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the Simpsons Reference!!!
by bruinhopeful on Apr 18, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rofl
Private schools pay money like you are talking about. And the sciences, where graduate students can (and I emphasize can) get funded by the big grants that faculty can get on south campus can do better. But graduate students would be thrilled to make that kind of money.
by BruinSinceBirth on Apr 20, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruins100NCAA - I like most of your post.
Love should go if he's a top 10 pick. I mean honestly, it seems like the only option. But I must admit that it's tough to read about him talking about legacy.
It's especially tough because I think next year we could really take advantage of Love. He was the best player on our team last year. Absolutely awesome. But his addition changed the way we played basketball, and changed the way our guards played. Remember, Love was added to a team who only lost Afflalo (Well, Roll too, unfortunately). With WEstbrook's emergence, you could argue we should have been way better with Love, particularly if Westbrook's emergence cancelled out the loss of Afflalo (or came close).
The problem is, I think it takes a while to transition from a guard dominiated team to a center dominated team (especially when it turns on one player). I'm not sure we ever completely got it--I wonder if Shipp's shotting and DC's hiccups weren't the result. And unfortunately, who could have predicted that Love's addition would actually have rendered Mata, our previous starting final four center, almost moot. Mata had some great moments, but on this team this year, Howland was never able to make Mata and Love work together on the floor.
Anyway, I see potential never reached as the biggest bummer with Love leaving. Love reached his personal potential, but I'm not sure the team did. And that is too bad. Especially because now we'll have another big transition back to a guard oriented team--which again--will take some time to figure out. It is the risk when you take on a one player, especially when you have to change the way you play to take advantage of that year.
I wouldn't change a thing about Love. I'm glad he was a Bruin, and he did make our team better. But its hard to reset now.
On Westbrook. He should go if he is a top 10 pick. However, as much as I love him in college, I just don't see him as a star in the NBA right now. He doesn't have that much height, and it's tough to expet him to be a great point guard in the NBA without even a year running the point in college. You can't teach athleticism, which is why Love should go pro. But you can teach skill, which is why I think RW would benefit from coming back. I feel bad for Collison that RW will be drafted ahead of him at the same position.
by rfirpo on Apr 18, 2008 8:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
also, the weird thing about love is
in the nba, love is just another guy. as a PF, he gets to defend guys like Amare, KG, Pau...Love may be good in the NBA, but realistically he has got his work cut out for him. he definitely will not dominate those guys next year, though he has the potential to eventually play with them at some point down the road.
if he had stayed in college, he would have been the MAN next year--i'm talking POY potential. instead, he'll be another NBA frosh.
by jjreicher on Apr 18, 2008 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Not Just the Money
by Bruin77 on Apr 18, 2008 8:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'm old fashioned.....
I also think a college education is always a worthwhile and valuable thing, even for future NBA superstars.
That said, I still wish KL and Westbrook the best and I am thankful for the time they were a part of our program.
by HoozierDaddy on Apr 18, 2008 8:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
money IS everything!
Now let's say you can play pro ball and sign a $4,000,000 / year contract. Assume taxes are 50%. That's $2,000,000 / year disposable income.
2 Mil / 70K is over 28 YEARS!!! You make 8 MILLION in 2 years and that's more than the above-average Joe Bruin will make in his entire working career.
So, yes, MONEY IS EVERYTHING!!! It is very, very, very, VERY stupid to turn away millions of dollars just for an overrated "college degree." Street smarts is much more important than a piece of paper hanging on your wall. Seriously, in the corporate world no one cares that you went to UCLA or JC then transferred to Cal State. It's just a piece of paper like everyone else has.
by mark the bruin on Apr 18, 2008 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you for the most part, Mark, however
by bornagainbruin on Apr 18, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Money is not everything
Money does not equal happiness. For instance, I commute of the mountains every day. I see old men in their supercars (too many to state here but I have seen a Porsche Carrera GT, Lambos of all sort, and so on and so forth). Let's just say that you get off on racing and have one of these cars. I can't tell you how many times I have blown by these guys in their cars because they do not know how to take corners. This must be infuriating to them to see a sub-compact sail past them. Furthermore, I have a motorcycle which I bought for 8k. This bike can out-perform all but the most expensive cars in the hands of professional drivers.
I mention this because it is a metaphor for life. Happiness has nothing to do with money but comes from you own mind. Doing things that build character help you in your life that could lead to more wealth as a secondary effect.
What it basically boils down to is living your life for the mere accumulation of money is an error. You can do it and if that makes you happy, go for it. I however think this is a shallow existence because I have tried it, had some success that didn't make me happy, and came to this conclusion. There are more important things like God, country, family, and UCLA.
by Bruins100NCAA on Apr 18, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
But I do not understand this notion that it is stupid for a player who is good enough to go pro to choose to stay in school. If you offered me $10 million to give up my memories of my last three years at UCLA, I would not take it. Does that make me stupid?
by vanaaron on Apr 18, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
There's no really no reason to say these guys are "dropping out" of school to enter the NBA draft. That's called "getting a job before you earn your degree."
Now, if anyone has advice on how to make big money on a history/poli sci degree, I'm listening.
by FreewayBruin03 on Apr 18, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot depends on how you do
by Bruinut on Apr 18, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the advice
Of course, I could always turn to the dark side and go to law school. (No offense, Fox71.)
by FreewayBruin03 on Apr 18, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense taken
by Fox 71 on Apr 18, 2008 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, Fox
by FreewayBruin03 on Apr 19, 2008 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
by Bruinut on Apr 18, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was sad
by FreewayBruin03 on Apr 19, 2008 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you talk to all those
If you go into any of the public relations, political lobbying, and media consulting firms in DC, NYC and other metropolitan areas, the eye popping rates they charge may surprise you, and the huge $$$ windfall they pocket in each election cycle makes you cringe.
by Htse005 on Apr 18, 2008 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a job title to put on a business card
If I can't be political operative, I want to be a "strongman." "Fox 71, said there no truth to the rumors that he was planning to invade Orlando. 'Those infantry regiments on the outskirts just want to visit Disney World," said the south Florida strongman." I don't want to be a third world strongman, though. They don't seem to survive coups all that well. Plus, I don't want to live in a tent with the rest of my troops.
by Fox 71 on Apr 18, 2008 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's so embarrassing to have
These are all history / poli sci majors presumably and look at the huge $$$$ they make for only six to eight months every four years. Then some of them may go on to serve as cabinet, subcabinet secretaries to further establish their connections for a filthy rich life after government services with huge advances from publishers for their tell all memoirs, mega$$$ for serving on the board of directors of multiple corporations when you only need to make some phone calls once or twice every year, etc.
To that person who asked how a history / poli sci major can make big $$$$. I hope you are reading my post.
by Htse005 on Apr 18, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yo
by FreewayBruin03 on Apr 19, 2008 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
College Isn't For Everyone, But It Is Fun For Some
The NBA is a grind - 82 regular season games on top of training camp and preseason games. Then the "real" season begins for those teams that make the playoffs, and that can amount to an additional 28 games (I think) if a team plays the maximum possible games in the playoffs. There is a lot of travel involved, which I'm sure gets old very quickly. College basketball is a cakewalk by comparison in terms of games and travel. The downsides, of course, are that the players don't get (legally) paid and might have to go to a class or two. There is also the risk that by staying in college a player could suffer a career ending injury, which rarely happens, or that the player could be exposed as not being very good, which would diminish the player's marketability.
I can relate to Bruin100NCAA's post because when I was a law student, I just wanted to make money like his classmates. But when I joined a large corporate firm and realized what a grind it was, I realized that my time and control over my life were more important than making the most money I could. I ultimately transitioned into a job in the legal profession where the work is more pleasant and where I have more time to do other things. I may have sacrificed several million dollars in doing so, but I don't regret the decision. I make enough money to live comfortably.
Now, my decision is not for everyone. Many of my friends and others that I know work their tails off as lawyers and make scads of money. Many of these people also really enjoy their work. They are the lucky ones who can enjoy their lives and make a lot of money at the same time. I think the same is true for basketball players. Some may not particularly care for the college experience and may want to jump to the pros as soon as possible. Others who enjoy it might be better off to enjoy their college basketball careers and stick around for awhile. While they can always go back to college to get a degree, they cannot go back to college to play college basketball. As a spectator I think college basketball is a lot more fun than pro ball and I imagine for many participants the same is true.
by bruin7982 on Apr 18, 2008 11:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
People will often say that these players are kids and have millions of dollars held in front of them. That their immaturity is the reason they often make snap decisions. I say that is why their elders should advise them to consider other options besides following the dollar.
Ryan Leaf has loads of money... But he also has to live with the ignominy of being the worst sports bust of all time. To him it probably doesn't mean much but to me (if I was in his shoes), I think I would regret the fact that I will be known as such a long time.
by Bruins100NCAA on Apr 18, 2008 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admit I'm selfish
But if I were Love, I have to say that I would go. Financial security for me and my family for the rest of my life is something kind of difficult to turn down.
by Fox 71 on Apr 18, 2008 12:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Clarification -
by Fox 71 on Apr 18, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries- O'Bannon
O'Bannon's injury clearly cost him lots of money (certainly on a present value basis, if nothing else). It also enabled him to have an incredible experience being the leader of a championship team.
And now we cite O'Bannon as an example of what these players should do. Don't get me wrong- I graduated in 1971, so got to see a lot of great players wear the UCLA uniform. But Ed O'Bannon will be near and dear because of all the class which he came to epitomize. And this would never have happened without his injury.
It is real easy to second guess whatever decision these young (most except for $C less than 21) kids make. "They should stay in school- they're students". "They would be crazy to turn down the cash know- they're stars". It just seems that there are so many random variables that there is no one size fits all answer.
At the end of the day, all we should ask is that the players comport themselves with class while they are here (hopefully for 4 years, but for however long they happen to stay), and that they bring credit to the institution after. That is the same goal I would ask for any student who comes to UCLA.
by islandbruin on Apr 18, 2008 9:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You bring up many good points,
Look, you're right. Money isn't everything in life. But money opens other doors - it gives you the opportunity to pursue what you want to do rather than do something because it pays for your life expenses. And in many cases, money sets up a player's family financially for life. It's not just for himself - otherwise why would every athlete say "when I sign my first pro contract, I'm gonna buy my parents a Mercedes/new house/something expensive that they couldn't afford before." When you get right down to it, if it's between making people you don't know happy or setting up your family for life, it's not that hard of a choice. It's not like we don't remember and love Arron and Jordan.
I'm not trying to rag on you here - the opposite, in fact. I'm just trying to say that while money isn't everything in life, it's certainly important, and given the choice between family and people you don't know, it's ridiculously hard to not choose family.
by seattlebruin07 on Apr 24, 2008 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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