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We Will Be Back

First of all congratulations to the Memphis Tigers.  They were clearly the better team tonight.

As for us, let me reiterate what we all collectively stated leading up to today: no matter what transpired in San Antonio, this season has been an incredible success and nothing will diminish it.

That said I wish our guys remembered how to play Ben Ball. Because we didn't see it out there today. All week we talked about how we had to beat Memphis by running our offense through Love, being patient, and being smart with our short selection. There wasn't much of that today from our Ben Ball warriors.

We were prepared but it's the other guys who executed and played like they wanted it lot more:


Photo Credit: AP Photo/Eric Gay (via ESPN)

Anyway it's over. We will plenty of time in the coming days and weeks to evaluate of season happenings, and get ready for another exciting Ben Ball season.

Congrats again to Memphis Tigers.

Thanks to Coach Howland and all of our players for a memorable 2007-08 season.  We are so proud and grateful for all the memories they have given us in yet another wonderful year in Westwood.

We will be back in the Final-4 and hang number 12 sooner or later.

GO BRUINS.

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Memphis looked like Florida last year
Memphis imposed themselves on the Bruins and in the end, that affected the team's confidence. JS continued to act timid, passing up shooting opportunities a lot, and DC was overmatched. When he can't guard the other guy, it affects his offense, IMO. But a great season.
Bill
BillSouthBay

by Mensgym on Apr 5, 2008 5:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry N
Feel free to bump me.

I think the sentiment is the same.

by Ajax on Apr 5, 2008 5:23 PM PDT reply actions  

No worries
I have your down. But let's get that up if this thread gets crowded. Thanks again.

Great season man.

by Nestor on Apr 5, 2008 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah
No excuses. Memphis just kicked our ass. We will be back.

by Ajax on Apr 5, 2008 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Nestor...
I was pissed as F$&k, but after reading your post I settled down and relaxed. I have no idea where it went bad, but Memphis deserved the win. The entire Bruinsnation appreciates your work. Cheers...our next banner is coming soon.

by pocho on Apr 5, 2008 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please come back next year everyone!!!
Come back with a vengeance!
CBH: 3 straight PAC-10 titles, most since CJW!

by Lakers Bruins Fanatic on Apr 5, 2008 5:25 PM PDT reply actions  

agree
we didn't play our best game, but Memphis deserved to win because they did.

I am a bit disappointed in how it ended, but it was a great season, and let's hope for some positive announcements from everyone that they are coming back to bring home banner number 12.

"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Apr 5, 2008 5:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Said it in the postgame thread
But again: great season. Three straight Final Fours is three straight Final Fours. Congratulations.

Memphis makes you rub your eyes and wonder if what you're seeing is real. Just a tough, tough team.

by HornsFan @ Bruins Nation on Apr 5, 2008 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Appreciate the sentiment
But please don't attack or bait other commenters in our community. Good luck to you in off season.

by Nestor on Apr 5, 2008 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

No regrets
We met a great team that was a tough match up and we didn't play our best.  But I'm proud of our team and our season.

So, I'll wear UCLA gear every day for the next week, just so everyone knows where my heart and soul are.

greg in denver

by gbruin on Apr 5, 2008 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Me, Too
And the flag will be flying all week, as well.

It's GREAT to be a Bruin.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Apr 5, 2008 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

After watching this game...
I think the "experience" factor was hugely overrated.  Congrats to the team... we will be back next year... and the year after that.

by bruindodger on Apr 5, 2008 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed
Experience factor didn't mean much at the end.

by Nestor on Apr 5, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

We are still young
experienced but young -- and this is KL's first final 4 game.

I truly hope he comes back. I hated to see him go out without a close out ovation.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Apr 5, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't forget
A lot of those Memphis players are in their third year. They brought a lot of experience, too.

UCLA had a special year with Kevin Love. They ran into a great, great team in the Final Four, though. Just how it goes when you advance that far each year.

by HornsFan @ Bruins Nation on Apr 5, 2008 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You got me by mere minutes too!
I'll just post it here then:

Well that was certainly disappointing. However, as usual in the Ben Howland era, I am not disappointed in our team, players, and coaches. I am disappointed for them. That's how March Madness works though, and only one team walks away happy. Sadly, that team will not be ours this year.

We will continue to beat back the asinine MSM narrative of it being a "failed" season, since they would like nothing better than to paint our fanbase as spoiled and entitled (the same line used by a certain poser-coach turned commentator). I am sure these stupid types of stories will be out in the near future. It is the lazy, easy, cop-out story, and I would expect nothing more from the MSM, especially our lazy cop-out local beat press.

Congratulations to our Bruins on a school record 35 win season, 3rd straight Pac 10 Championship, 3rd straight Final Four, Pac 10 Tourney Championship, and a heartfelt "Thank You" for all the memories.

Let's get 'em next year boys!
GO BRUINS!

by Tydides on Apr 5, 2008 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Also a general warning
Any personal attack on our players and coaches by drive posters will not be tolerated.

Thanks ... carry on folks.

GO BRUINS.

by Nestor on Apr 5, 2008 5:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I was gonna post this too...
You're a step ahead of me on everything today.

by Tydides on Apr 5, 2008 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks T
Please keep an eye on this thread man just in case someone goes overboard.

by Nestor on Apr 5, 2008 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least I can take solace
in the fact that it's not my participation in game day threads that causes us to lose (I was in the UW one). That's my stupid superstition that has now been broken.

by Tydides on Apr 5, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

CBH interview on CBS
Very complimentary of Memphis.

Very classy of our coach (-given.)

greg in denver

by gbruin on Apr 5, 2008 5:28 PM PDT reply actions  

As Proud as I am of this team
I'm ashamed of many who posted in the game day thread.

Who the fuck are you to challenge our players and coach?

Most of you don't show up much around here. And that makes this a better place.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Apr 5, 2008 5:29 PM PDT reply actions  

it is not that we challenge
our players and coach, but a good fan knows when mistakes were maid. I love C Howland and our players,but he needs to learn how to coach offense. Not only that but our halftime adjustments were minimal and not enough. and as far as not "showing up much around here" Some of us actually GO to the games.

Season tix holder FB and BB, my friend

by uclaov1 on Apr 5, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're not going to get far
calling out someone else as a fan because they live in a different place and are physically unable to go to games. We're better than that, and if you individually are not, then you do not belong here. Period.

by Tydides on Apr 5, 2008 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

i agree
but we should also be better then calling out fans who dont post as much as others.

by uclaov1 on Apr 5, 2008 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's the way it is
Those that post more and have a demonstrated and documented history of fair and level headed analysis are going to get more leeway than those that don't. How else are we to distinguish the real fans from drive-by posters?

by Tydides on Apr 5, 2008 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some might not
post as much as others but just because you dont post or go to the games that doesnt make you a fake fan.

Go Bruins.

by uclaov1 on Apr 5, 2008 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

It does, however, make you a potential drive-by
poster. We have little tolerance for people that simply throw out incendiary statements with the purpose of riling up other members of our community. That reactionary crap belongs on the Romper Room message boards. Not here.

by Tydides on Apr 5, 2008 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do say so
If you have nothing constructive to add, then drop it.

by Tydides on Apr 5, 2008 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just have this feeling...
That, KL, DC and RW will come back next year. No matter what, 3 Final Fours shows that we are a top notch program! I feel sad for the warriors right now.
Go UCLA!

by madmaxucla on Apr 5, 2008 5:30 PM PDT reply actions  

That would be awesome.
With the #1 class coming in next year, we're talking a LOADED team.
CBH: 3 straight PAC-10 titles, most since CJW!

by Lakers Bruins Fanatic on Apr 5, 2008 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't kow for sure
but there is something about the number of scholarships that makes that complicated  Of course, I'd love to have to deal withthat.
greg in denver

by gbruin on Apr 5, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love and Westbrook would be perfect
I'd like to turn the point guard duties over to Jrue.

by BruinsRule on Apr 5, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Collison returns ....
he will be the #1 point.  I don't think he should be thrown under the bus for one sub-par performance against the player likely to be the top choice in the upcoming NBA draft.  We would not have had the success we did this season without him and we will be far more sucessful next year with him than without him.

by snorkeldorf on Apr 5, 2008 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Memphis wanted it more.
Other than that, I agree with you. We did not play the kind of basketball that got us to the Final Four.

by Chandler on Apr 5, 2008 5:30 PM PDT reply actions  

agreed
we failed to utilize our strengths and to neutralize theirs. congrats to memphis. its been one hell of a ride for the last three years and im happy to have been a part of it. too bad we didn't get to see Westwood explode this year.

by bruin007 on Apr 5, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks to the team and coach
for a great season.  I really thought we were where we wanted to be at the end of the half being down by 3 and not really playing a great game.  DC had an awful night, but we wouldn't have the third FInal Four without him.  It's going to be interesting to see who is coming back next year.

by BruinFan96 on Apr 5, 2008 5:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I disagree that they wanted it more
They were just better. Our only stretches of success came when Collison or Shipp were on the bench and Luc guarded CDR. CDR did nothing during those stretches, but we didn't fully commit to that lineup.

We also didn't figure out a way to get the ball to Love on the block. I am shocked by that.

RW played great--perhaps too great not to test the NBA draft.

Tough day. Mourning period has begun over a great season that ended two days and two victories too soon.

by BruinsRule on Apr 5, 2008 5:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I think
We should have gone inside lot more. When I wrote that they wanted it more I meant they were lot more aggressive with their offense. We weren't. We settled for one jump shot after another and we didn' run our offense through Love. They were vulnerable inside at the beginning of second half with foul trouble. We didn't take advantage. At least to me it appeared we were tenative and not decision. Hence, I wrote they looked like they wanted it more. I think this a topic that could be open disagreement.

by Nestor on Apr 5, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Memphis
had a lot to do with not getting the ball into Love more, no?

Dorsey, with help from Dozier, did a good job fronting Love and denying any easy entry pass into the post. Couple that with the length and good man to man defense from Rose and Douglass-Roberts on the perimeter, it made it very difficult to get any easy looks into Love.

Memphis is a damn good team. They'll take care of Kansas on Monday. That'll make 3 straight years UCLA has lost to the eventual National Champion.

"You don't make it to the Final Four three straight times for no reason..Obviously coaching has something to do with it." Darren Collison

by godblesstyus95 on Apr 5, 2008 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I agree with that.
With their guys in foul trouble, it was time to send people driving in and to pass the ball to Love. Instead, we took jump shots. That was inexplicable to me. Memphis defended very well, but we needed to try to draw fouls.

Memphis did look scrappier. They looked more focused on offense. So I can see how that can make it look like they wanted it more, even if they didn't.

In the end, I think Memphis won because they were better at playing their game than we were at playing our game. And there is a mental aspect to that, as well as a physical one.

by Chandler on Apr 5, 2008 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was frustrated too
by our lack of committment to a bigger body on their guards, but I did notice that when that happened, we would give up the easy offensive rebounds. Kind of a rock and a hard place situation there.

by Tydides on Apr 5, 2008 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was it just me?
but LRMAM did he best job in guarding CDR. I wish we had gone to that matchup early.

by Nestor on Apr 5, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

He did an excellent job IMO
If CDR was going to make everything anyway, then there is no rebound to grab, so might as well switch Luc on him and make him miss first right? I think that's definitely one thing I would have done differently in the second half. I'm not sure it would have made much difference if they were able to score on putbacks with Luc not in the middle anymore though.

by Tydides on Apr 5, 2008 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep
If I had a gripe about Howland's scheme it was allowing the Rose-CDR combo to go off on DC-Westbrook (53 points to 24), when it was apparent early on that they were exploiting that mismatch.  Moving LRMAM and Shipp and maybe even Love out to double team more often might have created more turnovers and bad shots.

We didn't create hardly any turnovers and got outrebounded too. Very surprised that adjustments weren't made at halftime to turn that into our favor. Maybe Memphis was just too good.

"You don't make it to the Final Four three straight times for no reason..Obviously coaching has something to do with it." Darren Collison

by godblesstyus95 on Apr 5, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope KL stays
because we're having a sick ass incoming class.  I know we'll be back at the final four.  I wish the outcome was different this year...I'm sure all of us do.  It hurts...but I'm appreciative for everything the team has done this year.  THANK YOU GUYS FOR ANOTHER GREAT YEAR.

by bruin78 on Apr 5, 2008 5:31 PM PDT reply actions  

i hope
We all come back with a vengeance.

by blinkshot on Apr 5, 2008 5:31 PM PDT reply actions  

About scholarships
if we have more players than scholarships (in this case +1) doesn't the punishment come in a later year?

 Explain how this works please.

by True Blue and Gold on Apr 5, 2008 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

They're just offers
If you don't have one to give, I think it's up to you to work that situation out. We have one more offer outstanding than we can fill at this point. Someone will have to leave early or transfer.

by Tydides on Apr 5, 2008 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think there's a penalty
It's just not possible.

If they all come back someone will transfer or drop their scholarship.  If the former, probably Dragovic; if the latter, probably Roll.

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 5, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Feeling like the Bills
It's frustrating to be right there year after year but never get to the finish line.

Hopefully everyone returns and we'll have some senior leadership.

by sumo331 on Apr 5, 2008 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

K-Love and DC need to return
It seemed like K-Love couldn't get open and that he was tired. Kevin needed more touches in the 2d half and he never got them, so we had no chance. DC was dribbling too much without penetration. Westy was the only one who really stepped up.  Still, we had a great season.  I really believe that DC and K-Love need to come back to try to win it all next year.  Josh needs to regain his confidence in his outside shot.  This Memphis team was as good as the two Florida teams that beat us.  We just could not slow down the tempo of the game.  

by bruin75 on Apr 5, 2008 5:34 PM PDT reply actions  

And to all of BN
who SUPPORTED this team and this coach and this online community.

Thank you for your passion, your intelligence, and your part in a great season.  I'm proud to be here among you.

greg in denver

by gbruin on Apr 5, 2008 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Long - Quick - and Strong
That sounds a lot like Florida of the last couple of years...

Why do we always have to lose so bad in the Final Four?

I just never saw Kevin Love getting shut down like he did the second half....  :-(

by kailangyu on Apr 5, 2008 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

We don't and he wasn't ....
I don't agree that we have ever "lost badly" in the final four and I don't think Love was "shut down" as much as we just failed to get the ball into him.  Whether Memphis was mostly responsible for that or we just stopped looking for him is the question.

Any loss, by whatever margin, is going to hurt.  Our team played hard and came up a bit short.  I'm still proud of our team and our season and I'm looking forward to season after season of continued excellence in the foreseeable future.  Go Bruins!!!

by snorkeldorf on Apr 5, 2008 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I couldn't stand to see Darren like that
man their were so many shots that could of given us momentum those two misses by keefe and Darren were brutally close to falling in.  I was ready to explode.

These guys were just plain good tonight, defense, crashing the boards, getting inside.

I just felt Kevin's pain as he struggled to get up the court, poor guy was visibly exhausted from game that never really settled to our tempo for an extended period time.

Well I really love this group guys, these guys really made me proud of this team, in victory and defeat.  Can't wait to get out to spring practice and see whats bruin..

O.A.

by Ollie on Apr 5, 2008 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Well..
At least my blood pressure will hopefuly return to normal by September! :)
Go UCLA!

by madmaxucla on Apr 5, 2008 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Lo
What a true warrior. Thanks for 4 great years, LMR. I wish they had won for him.

by Raisin on Apr 5, 2008 5:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, I saw a misty eyed
Lorenzo walking away from the line in front of the TV camera. He'll do well no matter what he does, especially as a role model for so many of our underpreviledged Hispanics' youths.

In our mind, you are already a champion in your own right.  Hold your head high.  I want you to know how well people think about you.

by Htse005 on Apr 5, 2008 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

and then, depression set in
yes, yes, we had a great season and i'm proud and all that very reasonable stuff...i'm also horribly depressed. we lost. this is awful. collison 2 pts, 5 fouls. love does 0 in the second half. memphis played well, but boy...we didn't exactly have a strong performance. very depressing.

by jjreicher on Apr 5, 2008 5:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Disapointed and Sad
But Hopeful for Next Season.

A great incoming class, hopefully we can convince everyone to stay and make it four in a row.

It's just a frustrating bump on the road to success.  

Class of 2006 Fan Since 1971

by wildwill on Apr 5, 2008 5:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow..
This hoops season just flew by! But it was a magical season. One I'll never forget. Thanks in part to BN as well.
Go UCLA!

by madmaxucla on Apr 5, 2008 5:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Watching Darren made me really sad...
He was just off all night and you could see it in his play. I hate to see a player go out like that...Does not matter though, DC is still my All-American point guard.

Glad that LRMAM parents could be there and to see their son play well, because he did.

Hats off to Memphis.

Great season, thanks BN for keeping up all everything all season long.

I suppose I i should do some homework to get the mind off everything.

Go Bruins.

by dproduct on Apr 5, 2008 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Apologies
For the horrific grammar. Emotional state is not very stable.

by dproduct on Apr 5, 2008 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, your writing is fine
Who says just one game determines if we are or are not champions ?  

UCLA accomplished incredible feats this year.  Every single one of them just departed the basketball court at San Antonio having done all they could and having come this far.  How can these players be not champions, with or without that ring and the banner ?!?

by Htse005 on Apr 5, 2008 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

you just gotta credit
them though...their length gave us fits, and while we didn't find kevin enough, you've just got to credit their physicality as they denied him the ball the whole second half, and really pressured our guards
O.A.

by Ollie on Apr 5, 2008 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the thing...
that is most upsetting to me is how we've been losing games in the Final Four (in terms of the scores and not following through with our gameplan).  I don't know if it's the week off but it seems like we forget to play Ben Ball in the Final Four (like Nestor said).  I am proud of our efforts and on a positive note, we have made progress this year in terms of our record and further solidifying our program amongst the nation's elite once again.  I'm looking forward to the Fantastic Four joining the program next year.  I know that CBH is learning from all of these experiences and the day will come when he gets #12.  He's going through what a lot of coaches went through and there is no doubt in my mind that he will climb the mountain.  March is still a brotherhood!

by bruindodger on Apr 5, 2008 5:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Who we're playing
has a lot to do with our ability to execute Ben Ball. The last two years we lost to the eventual National Champion. This year I believe will be the same. We played our Ben Ball against a more talented LSU 2 years ago and we won. I'd be more upset if we were losing to less talented teams, but that is simply not the case.
"You don't make it to the Final Four three straight times for no reason..Obviously coaching has something to do with it." Darren Collison

by godblesstyus95 on Apr 5, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

well,
my silver lining is that I have one year of eligibility left, and I'm not leaving early.

a great season.

by melliott2 on Apr 5, 2008 5:43 PM PDT reply actions  

There's always next season
Granted... next season will be much better if Love and Collison decides to stay, but I'm not holding my breath that it will happen. I think both will still go into the NBA draft. Hopefully no one else thinks about leaving early as well. UCLA next season will be very much guard-heavy and lack a true post presence offensively, which is worrisome.

But the most important thing is that Coach Ben Howland WILL be back. This is NOT the end, but just the start of something really special. Even during this 3+ year Final Four run, recruits were still hesitant to commit to UCLA that would have really helped the Bruins. I don't think recruiting will be much of a problem any longer. Ben is loading up the wing positions for next season, and the post players will come in the following season. I don't know about you, but I would rather have a consistent run of deep tournament runs with the right players that Howland is trying to develop than a 2-year "dynasty" and then a flame-out. Eventually the right mix of players will be there for number 12, 13, etc...

by UCLA4Life on Apr 5, 2008 5:47 PM PDT reply actions  

magic
you know, when i didn't get drafted into the army (from Europe) i thought for sure that it was a sign that i would get to be at UCLA when we hung up the Twelfth banner. it wasn't meant to be i guess, and boy do i feel down right now.

despite all that, i've been lucky to see the boys get there three times - although reminiscing about the florida games only makes it worse...

by bruin007 on Apr 5, 2008 5:52 PM PDT reply actions  

On the bright side...
how many teams would kill to have our record? Oh, and successive final fours! Yes, disappointing way to end the season. I'd hoped Howland would call a time out early on, get the team to play BenBall and disrupt Memphis' rhythm. The future looks bright. UCLA will win a title with Howland as coach. I love how classy he was in the post game interview (although he referred to "Memphis State"). The Memphis players were complimentary of UCLA. That's what it's all about. But another banner will be nice.

by jhillery on Apr 5, 2008 5:55 PM PDT reply actions  

It's three straight trips to Final Four without
a title. It's a great success, but this is UCLA. Here we count titles, not Final Four appearances. Sometimes you have got to go and win the hardware. I think this team was good enough, and I hope we will have most of the pieces back next year, but one of these years you have got to win it if you are in position to win.
CBH: 3 straight PAC-10 titles, most since CJW!

by Lakers Bruins Fanatic on Apr 5, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

interesting to see
only KL and RW at the post game interview

by BruinFan96 on Apr 5, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply actions  

DC was hurt
I think this really stung for him, as it did everyone, god i wish i could give the guy a big hug, and just hope he knows how much we love him and have appreciated his efforts all season.
O.A.

by Ollie on Apr 5, 2008 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm proud...
...to call myself a Bruin. We will hang banner #12 soon enough.
Go Bruins.

by hicalliber on Apr 5, 2008 6:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Some quick thoughts ...
Some quick thoughts

Westbrook played a good game, 10/19 (although a few of the points came in the very end).  At this point in time, I would say his performance increased his draft pick--he was really able to run with the Memphis team.

Love played a great first half, but ended up shooting 4/12.  I was not so happy when he went to take open 3s.  Although he is able to hit them, when he steps out we lose all our rebounding advantage.  You have to give some credit to Dorsey for playing a great defensive second half, but I think overall we didn't get Love the ball inside as much as we needed to.  I am a little bit suprised this wasn't addressed early in the second half (or if it was, that the players didn't make the plays) after Dorsey got 3 fouls.

Luc did well with rebounding (13), and had quite a few good drives to the basket (ending in 12 points).  However he also took some outside jumpers which were unnecessary.

Shipp started out draining 2 threes, which was great.  Later he started driving to the basket, which is also what we needed more than him hitting 3s.  Overall, I think he should spend the offseason working very hard on his shot consistency and his lateral movement.

Collison, ... he's been a great point guard all year except in 3 games (Washington, WKU, and Memphis).  I understand that Rose is a very possible 1st round pick that made DJ Augustin look average.  However, DJ Augustin was still able to draw a few fouls.  I understand that the Memphis team is tall and atheletic, but to score only 2 points on 1/9 shooting is way below his potential.  Collison had 28 points driving in a Stanford zone and shooting over two 7 footers, and I just feel that for whatever reason he was off tonight.

I think the style Memphis plays suprised our players.  I think our backcourt and other teams felt that they had to "match" Memphis's backcourt, and as a result made some uncharacteristically poor decisions under uncharacteristic pressure (with the exception of Westbrook).  Therefore, overall we too many perimeter shots and didn't get the ball to Love (who was clearly tired by the end of the game) enough.

On Memphis's end, I just have to say "wow" on CDR and Rose, who drew the fouls (13 and 12) and then made them (87%).  In comparison, the rest of their team had 0 fouls.  The two players combined for 53 of 78 total Memphis points on 48% shooting.

I have to say that I am disappointed that it wasn't even a close game.  We had a couple runs, but they were VERY short because we couldn't stop Memphis; they had dribble penetration seemingly at will (hard to play man against dribble-drive offense).  

Nevertheless, we had a great season and I look forward to next year.

by dokein on Apr 5, 2008 6:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I wonder if the hip surgeries
the last couple of years are still bothering Shipp. Those are very tricky operations.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Apr 5, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think he ever fully recovered
he doesn't have the same explosiveness he did his freshman year.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Apr 5, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Coach Calipari
My wife attended UMass when Calipari was there, and has never forgiven him for getting a "T" against Pitino and Kentucky in the Sweet 16 in 1992.  She has put a hex on him that he'll lose on Monday....

My thoughts:  I'm with the majority here, the Bruins let Memphis control the tempo.  There wasn't enough getting the ball inside to Love.  We'll need to see how things shake out in the off season, who stays and who goes.  It'd be great to have KL for one more year.

Bob O. (Signholder #3)

by TuneMan7 on Apr 5, 2008 6:09 PM PDT reply actions  

coach cal
I was a huge fan of Umass at the same time. My ex was a student there at the time, and I will never forgive Cal for being the head of a DIRTY PROGRAM. Look at where that program was three years later, non-existent. Look, Memphis totally took it to us tonight. KLove didn't get enough early rest. Collison, basically didn't show up. I'm taking solace in knowing we did it legitimately. We'll see what happens to Memphis. I'm betting the same thing that happened to UMass. Unless. of course, they win it all. The NCAA would never admit to a Basketball Champion being dirty. Too much to lose. In other words, I have no clue who to route for now...Do I want Memphis to get punked, or win it all and have it stripped by the NCAA????????

by daveapaug on Apr 5, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still love this team and am proud of them
but I don't know where the passion went. Also, I don't know why Darren wasn't getting screened for or taking his shot as our 51% 3pt shooter; he shot one.  I thought for sure our guys were going into that game tonight with an almost intimidating desire to win that game.  I thought they were going to impose their will and play like "this is our time not yours, Memphis."  Memphis played well and seemed to play with more of a sense of urgency.  Memphis seized the day and it made the difference.  Congrats to them.

When Russell had his aggressive drives at the end, why didn't we do that more throughout the game.  We were down by only 3 at halftime but lost by 16 and Memphis seemed to just do the same things the whole game.

Good season Bruins.  We'll get 'em next year.    

by bruin95 on Apr 5, 2008 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Big Thanks
to Coach Howland and his staff, and to this fantastic team for an incredible season.  DC, you are in a class by yourself--don't let the haters get to you.  KL, do what you need to do, and thanks for everything you've given us.  JK, MR, Chace, Drago,MAH--I'm so looking forward to watching more from you.  Luc, you're my hero, you really are.  JS, I will never, ever doubt you, and your smile is priceless.  AA2, we're lost without you, big man.  RW, you've left us breathless so many times--I will watch you play this game anywhere, anytime.  Your team will  always be my team.

LMR, damn, we owe you a lot.  I'm sure you're hearing this a lot, but I will really miss you.  Thanks for everything you gave, and kept giving.

And thank you true blue BN'ers, for the coolest Bruin place to be.  

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Apr 5, 2008 6:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Hope springs eternal
Hope springs eternal in the human breast;
Man never Is, but always To be blest:
The soul, uneasy and confin'd from home,
Rests and expatiates in a life to come.

-Alexander Pope

Thanks to our team for a great season! We are UCLA and we will be back--in every sport we compete in.

As you have often spoke about Howland being one of the caretakers, so you are as fans and alumni. Never hang your head low but realize that things will go up as surely as they go down.

by Bruins100NCAA on Apr 5, 2008 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Howland Will Win One Soon
It took Roy Williams five trips to the Final Four before he finally won one, and Howland is a better coach.  Come back Kevin and let's do it next year!

by PEDbruin on Apr 5, 2008 6:20 PM PDT reply actions  

MSM clowns say Howland is long overdue..
..that, if he were any good, he would have won in one of these three trips, that his has been a major college coach long enough, etc.  

I think he's got 10 years at Pitt and UCLA after his time at NAU and, in that time he's resurrected two program including restoring one of the most storied ones to national prominence.

Seems to me a guy from Purdue by way of small schools in Indiana coached almost 15 years before even getting his major college into the NCAA tournament and he lost the first two years there.

Of course, once he got the hang of it, Coach Wooden didn't lose to many of those things in his remaining twelve years.

What I am wondering is if CJR could win with different types of teams (Hazzard's and Goodrich's, Lewis's, the tween years Wickes & Rowe teams, and the Walton Gang), will (will?) CBH win with a team that emphasizes a little more "O" to compliment the terrific "D"?

I would like to offer my appreciation as well to CBH and his guys for a truly scintillating season.

Man, did it go by quickly!

God, it's great to be a Bruin!

by whp68 on Apr 5, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm proud of our guys
They played a tough game against a tough opponent and played hard.  We may have had a little luck ride with us in some of our games, but we had zero luck in this game.  I don't know if we would have won if the basketball Gods had been kinder, but it wouldn't have been this seemingly one-sided.

I still like our Coach and our guys, and would rather have them lined than anyone else to win one if my life were at stake.

Thanks team, and thanks BN for being a great family this season.  

We have some unfinished business before football season (e.g., bu$hgate and the White Nation), and then it will be time to get behind Coach Neuheisel.

by Fox 71 on Apr 5, 2008 6:26 PM PDT reply actions  

tallest player
if love leaves, who can play center? since we lose LMR also.

by eflyer on Apr 5, 2008 6:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Many teams
don't have true centers. All of the other Final Four particpants play a 3 guard, 2 forward lineup. Even if Love doesn't come back (I hope he does), we can play Luc and Aboya as our forwards, with Keefe and Gordon backing them up.
"You don't make it to the Final Four three straight times for no reason..Obviously coaching has something to do with it." Darren Collison

by godblesstyus95 on Apr 5, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

kansas
wow... 38-12 over UNC

by bhbruin on Apr 5, 2008 6:31 PM PDT reply actions  

It has been an awesome ride
Thanks for CBH and our players for making us proud.

And AA2, good luck on your presidential campaign.  But we'll be glad to keep you around another year if you'd like to hold off just a bit and work on that master's degree.  Just sayin.'

by bruinchick on Apr 5, 2008 6:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, The Jayhawks
are absolutely demoralizing NC.
Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Apr 5, 2008 6:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I know most here probably don't care, but
Kansas is absolutely destroying UNC right now.  Billy Packer just said, "This game is over."

Kansas 38 - UNC 12

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 5, 2008 6:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey Tydides I know
its early to ask, and we just need to unwind and reminisce about our season, but I'd love to see what the boys had to say in that post game press conference if you can find it.  I don't get espn news so I was just wondering what was said.
O.A.

by Ollie on Apr 5, 2008 6:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry
I don't get ESPNews either. You'll have to wait for Telemachus if he's up to it.

by Tydides on Apr 5, 2008 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

oops sorry
little flustered i accidentally wrote tydides instead of tele...my fault
O.A.

by Ollie on Apr 5, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Collison is not going anywhere.
This game completely killed his stock. He will be lucky to go in the 20-30 range at best. If anyone comes back it's him. Westy played well and is projected Top-10. I doubt Kevin goes Top-10, so he may be back.
CBH: 3 straight PAC-10 titles, most since CJW!

by Lakers Bruins Fanatic on Apr 5, 2008 6:36 PM PDT reply actions  

March Madness Turns to Sadness
but only briefly! A great team and a great year. Can't wait for next year. As far as hexes go, maybe its the blue jerseys? Just kidding. Memphis played with skill and composure. I am surprised some folks don't believe Memphis has the skills - Kansas is destroying UNC. You just can't predict final four games with this level of players and coaches. Thanks to Ben, LMR, DC, JS, RW, KL, JK, AA2, LRMAM etc.

by Vanman7475 on Apr 5, 2008 6:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, if one storied program gets nailed today...
...then at least it some form of schadenfreude-esque comfort to know that another one, namely UNC, is not just getting nailed.

Shoot, Kansas isn't just nailing it, they're nailing UNC to the wall, kicking them in the gut three times with cleats on, and then locking the door right before they set the whole freaking house on fire.

This isn't a pummeling.  Kansas is dropping frogs and locusts on the Heels.

God bless 'em.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Apr 5, 2008 6:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I like the fact Kansas is whooping UNC.
But I don't judge one man's success by others' failure. UCLA should sit and watch this game to learn how to play running teams. You force the ball inside, go for layups. Slow down their attack, don't just hoist us jumpshots.
CBH: 3 straight PAC-10 titles, most since CJW!

by Lakers Bruins Fanatic on Apr 5, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, if UNC does lose...
It will be one hell of a consolation game!

(Anyone else remember when they used to play for third place in the NCAA tourney?)

by Joe Bruin on Apr 5, 2008 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah
I wish they still did.  I would still love to watch a UCLA-NC game.

by BruinSinceBirth on Apr 5, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Next Year!
Hey, I said it B4 the Tournament started, this has been a beautiful year!  No doubt about it.  This year, was different, our guys were awesome, happy, strong and had the look of destiny on their faces.  

It has been a beautiful year to remember forever.  

Now, what about next year?!  Bruin78, what kind of incoming class can we expect?  If Love stays, could he be another Bill Walton?  Who else will join us?

Anyone?

Awesome year, we have nothing to hang our heads for or be sad about.  

And for the first time in a long time, we can look forward to football.  Who knows what Rick Neuheisel will bring.  We don't have to worry about Dorrell anymore.  (Although Karl is a fellow Bruin) I was a Phi Gamma Delta at the same time Neuheisel was a Sigma Nu.  I hope he has matured since then.

BillM85Legacy  

by BillM85Legacy on Apr 5, 2008 6:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Depressed but...
We were not the best team tonight but I have nothing but love and respect for this group of UCLA Bruins and Coach Howland.  We will win few games when our starting PG is cold and being shut down.  I hope Love/DC stays for another year but will not count on it...

I am honored to have witnessed Kevin Love and the rest of these fantastic players for a tremendous season.

by lewkay on Apr 5, 2008 6:44 PM PDT reply actions  

It was a great season
It still hurts a bit after the game, but it was a great season for the Bruins.  Three consecutive 30 win seasons, 3 final fours, and a phenomenal recruiting class coming in.

Lorenzo and Matt Lee, all the success in your post UCLA careers.  

Kevin Love, Darren Collison, Russell Westbrook, the memories this year.  Thanks.

And here's to next year with Josh Shipp, Alfred Aboya, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, James Keefe, Michael Roll, and our new class, and all our bench players who come all out during practice.

by freesia39 on Apr 5, 2008 6:46 PM PDT reply actions  

113 D-1 schools
would kill to be in our place right now. As is often repeated here, thank God for Coach Howland and what he's done with our bball program. We had another great season this year, culimating in yet another conference title, a conference tourney title and a 3-peat in the Final Four. That is nothing to sneeze at and tonights loss takes nothing away from what they accomplished this season and what Coach Howland accomplished in the last 5 years. It's only a matter of time before Banner 12 makes it way to the Cathedral.

As for our warriors, I hope all of them come back next year, as we still have some unfinished business....Having said that however, if Love, Westbrook and Collison opt to go pro ( and really, who can blame them if they did?), thank you for making this another exciting season and continuing the tradition of UCLA basketball.

GO BRUINS!!!

by kdout on Apr 5, 2008 6:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Over 300 schools
theres roughly 3 times as many D-1 basketball schools as D-1 football schools. It makes the accomplishment that more impressive.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Apr 5, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

my bad...
thanks for catching that.

by kdout on Apr 5, 2008 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

It stings...
...but ditto to everyone above.  It was a great season and it is damn hard to win a championship.  Ask the school across town...

Biggest question: who's coming back?  Watching KL at the end, I could see the desire in his eyes.  I'm going on a limb and saying he's coming back.  Shipp's stock has dropped so much that he's no longer a lottery pick - he should come back.  I'm split on DC and RW...I think one will come back and the other will leave.  Luc could go as well...

by RedDoor on Apr 5, 2008 6:56 PM PDT reply actions  

"school across town"???
Oh, did you mean $cjc?  Sorry, I was thrown by your use of the term "school".
greg in denver

by gbruin on Apr 5, 2008 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you
Thanks Nestor and all the other regular posters. You are all exhibit what it means to be a Bruin. This is the BEST sports website on the web. Thanks to our great, great team, our phenomenal coach. It's been fun guys. I'll see you all in August to get ready for another year of UCLA football.

by SmrtGuy82 on Apr 5, 2008 6:59 PM PDT reply actions  

nextyear
i don't think it will be bad to lose one pg because of the incoming class, it will give us a chance to develop young talent.

by eflyer on Apr 5, 2008 7:03 PM PDT reply actions  

some thoughts
  1. Memphis played better tonight.. things could have been much different.
  2. Calipari did one thing very smart in trying to run off our dribble penetration.. especially when Collison drives.   Westbrook who likes to offensive rebound does not rotate back very well in those situations and Memphis did a great job on drives of also claiming the defensive rebounds to lead to those breaks.
  3. I don't think we were totally overmatched in the set defense.  We definitely forced them to go 1-on-1 alot and they happened to make some tough shots, but shots they could miss another game much like the ones we missed in some of our sets.
  4. We don't consistently run a good, fluid offense.   Previously we had not real interior threats that prevented that, but this year we had Love.   I think you can't always assume you can get Love in the post open against a team that defends like this you have to be able to move him around.   Love is plenty good enough to be dangerous at the high post as well, but I rarely see that.  
  5. Westbrook was definintely in his element today and played well, but did not do much in at least 2 or 3 other games this tournament.  He is kidding himself if he thinks he is ready for the NBA, but then again whether or not someone is ready has nothing to do with their being drafted by those teams that always seem to be drafting in the lottery.  
  6. Love is the only NBA ready player, but the NBA won't draft him high because they are not as smart as they think.   People would rather draft the high risk talent then the known quality player who seems to be closer to their ceiling.  Although I would argue Love may be nowhere near his ceiling.   He can make himself a little better athlete.   He can also make himself a serious offensive threat facing up and with his back to the basket even in the NBA.    He is also far from a hardship player, so I don't understand why he would not strongly consider improving on his already formidable skills with a wonderful opportunity to win a title should he return.    
  7. I promise you Howland is not content with what happened tonight and as hard a worker and a prefectionist he may have learned something valuable tonight.   He has done a great job in many areas so far, but as much as people like to throw out the cliche that 'defense wins'.  I still strongly believe defense at least in basketball only takes you so far.    Against teams like Memphis and Florida the last 2 seasons you need to be able to put up 70 pts to give yourselves a chance to win.   You just don't lock down teams that can counter what you do at times.  (That is unless you have a ridiculously great defensive center which come along once every 20 years)  I hope they all come back and we can improve on a great year and make it a superb year.    

by Penny2i on Apr 5, 2008 7:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Proud to be a Bruin
Disappointed, yes.  Nevertheless, I agree with Nestor.  This was a fantastic season and BruinsNation should be nothing but proud of our guys. I am on my third glass of wine now and can't help but be a little sad about possibly seeing KL, DC and RW in a UCLA uniform for the last time.  
Bruin lover in Houston

by BruininHouston on Apr 5, 2008 7:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Can't complain with 3 straight Final Fours
If anything, I hope this encourages Kevin Love to stay one more year.  He always talked about bringing another banner to Westwood, and with our incoming class, those chances look very good.

Hard loss for our Bruins today, but we'll be back next year.  Great season guys!

by hspigskinfan on Apr 5, 2008 7:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Thank You, Nestor
or whomever, for taking the idiotic Howland-hater's Diary down.

Good grief.  How pathetic some people's lives must be.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Apr 5, 2008 7:39 PM PDT reply actions  

It's the fools across town
they're getting bored because their basketball team's done and no one's been arrested in hours. They don't know what to do with themselves.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Apr 5, 2008 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

And
there aren't enough reality tv reruns to keep them happy?  Seriously.
Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Apr 5, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is gone
and will never post again on BN.

by Nestor on Apr 5, 2008 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

saw that
good move pulling that.

get me that guy's address.

home, not email.

greg in denver

by gbruin on Apr 5, 2008 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously?
I think you're kidding, but that's kind of creepy. So the guy's a loser online, who cares...that kind of sounds like a threat to me, I'm not much a fan of that. We'll let $c do the thuggery in these parts

by OverflowingPassionBucket on Apr 5, 2008 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

just talking.
guess that didn't come across so well.  but if you read the post, you'd be pissed, too.
greg in denver

by gbruin on Apr 6, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sad it was taken down.
I didn't get to see it. Don't you think it is best to let the fools show their true colors? No need to censor people. We are all big boys and girls around here and can deal with stuff, no?

by Dodger Hater on Apr 5, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reminiscent of the Last Two Years
I love UCLA and this team. I love Coach Howland, DC, and KL. I love Luc, AA2, and especially RW. But I am not ready to talk about how great this season was yet. This was a terrible loss. In all ways. So here's my rant...

Memphis played a great game. But part of the reason they looked so good was because we were completely outplayed and outcoached. You cannot say that the reason other teams have played poorly against us in the past is because of our tough D and then not say the same thing when we play poorly. Memphis looked good because we played like crap.

Memphis might have beaten us regardless of how we played tonight. And that's fine. I would have been sad but not disappointed and angry like I am now if we had showed up and lost a tough game.

What's not OK with me is getting to the Final Four just to lay down the way we did. And again, I think Coach deserves some of the blame for that. Why in the world was DC matched up on Rose when it was so clear that he was much too big for him? Even the tool Packer saw it.

What happened to our game plan? What happened to playing our game? Almost from the beginning we tried to play Memphis' game. For awhile it worked because we were hitting more shots than usual. I kept waiting for us to turn up the D and slow down on offense, pounding the ball into Love. When their two big men had 3 fouls each, we didn't even try. Why not?

And it was clear to me that Memphis wanted it more than us. Every bounce went their way. The same thing happened in each of our losses this year, especially against SC. That isn't just about luck. That's about not being ready--mentally ready.

And one last thing--what happened to our fans? It sounded like maybe there were 12 UCLA fans in that cavernous place. I will take some personal responsibility for this one because I was not there. The guys really could have used the energy boost they got from us in Anaheim and Phoenix and maybe that hurt us a bit.

Bump me if you want, Nestor--this is not a democracy where free speech is allowed--it is your and your buddies' website and I really appreciate all you have done here for all of us true blue Bruin fans. But in my perspective it is not anti-UCLA to have negative views about how our team performed in a game. That is like the tired old story the Republicans love to throw out that if you say the war in Iraq is a travesty that means that you don't support the troops. What a joke!

If I cannot say this here, where can I say it? I am more than happy to have people disagree with me. I'd love to hear a smart response that helps me change my mind about our performance in this game and why things will be different next time. But at this point, this is how I feel. If we make it to the Final Four again next year I will be happy like I am this year that we've made it this far. But I will have trouble believing we will win it all.

That doesn't mean I don't love my team or that they are not good. And it does not mean that CBH isn't a great coach--he is one of the best. It just means that he still has to prove he can win it all.

I have no idea at this point exactly what next year will bring. But I fully expect another outstanding season. What I won't expect is banner #12, and maybe that is a good thing.

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Apr 5, 2008 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Just a few counters...
(1)  Memphis' perimeter guys went 6-4, 6-6, and 6-7.  Whom would we put DC on?

(2)  Memphis' offense is originally called attack-attack-skip-attack-attack.  It is designed to have multiple dribble-drive penetrators on the floor at all times.  Everyone of their perimeter guys is programmed to drive the lane.  Again, whom would we put DC on?

(3)  At the start of the second half, Memphis triple-teamed Love down low.  As the game progressed, they played loose off the entry passer and still covered Love from behind.  Assuming the usual entry passer was a perimeter guy, they had length and height to make up for them sagging off.  The only way to force the strong side guy off of Love, then is to then hit from outside, or put it on the floor and get around your man to score.  

Did we do that?  NO, and that was a big problem.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Apr 5, 2008 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK...
I appreciate the smart responses, M.

So, what would you do to deal with those issues? Surely CBH knew what he was up against. Do you think he was just hoping that DC could handle Rose and then when he couldn't he had no Plan B? I'm no Coach Howland so this is armchair quarterbacking but at very least I would think it would make sense to try a different matchup, don't you?

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Apr 5, 2008 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

We start the starters...
... because you don't go into th Final 4 with a whole new game plan.  You adjust what you already have.

That being said, and hindsight being 20/20, We may have benefited from (a) having DC and RW attack the basket early, not for layups, but rather for set-ups for KL and LMRAM, as we did in 2006 with the more limited post skills of Hollins; and (b) rotating JS at the 2G spot early, and capitalize on having the big forward lineup (AA2 or JK playing next to LMRAM) to cut off CDR's drives and keep our rebounding up early.

Again, hindsight is 20/20.  DC is a top-flight defender and a 3rd-team All-American, so you don't  go in expecting him to have as much difficulty as he ultimately did.

M

"In this program your passion bucket must be full to play SC." -- CRN, to Dan Patrick, 1/2008

by Meriones on Apr 5, 2008 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Couldn't disagree more ...
This wasn't a "terrible" loss and Coach Howland has nothing "to prove" to anybody.  A "terrible" loss would be like one of too many we experienced when Lavin was in charge.  Thank goodness those are all behind us for the foreseeable future thanks to Coach Howland.  If we keep knocking on the door, we'll win banner #12 eventually.  And Coach Howland is just the one to keep getting us there.

Great season Bruins!  See you next year!

by snorkeldorf on Apr 5, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you get to the Final Four
each team essentially has a 25% chance. Every team that makes it there is very good and at that level of good, it's tough to figure out who's good is better. So Howland is 0-3 with a 25% chance, that means the odds say we win it next time we may it right?

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Apr 5, 2008 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

No
It's like flipping a coin.  Even if you get heads on the first 99 times, the chance of a heads on the 100th time is still 1/2.

by dokein on Apr 5, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously
I was just trying to put a positive spin on the night so I'm going to keep telling myself that if we had a 1/4 chance, we're going to get it next time.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Apr 5, 2008 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK....
I appreciate the smart responses, M.

So, what would you do to deal with those issues? Surely CBH knew what he was up against. Do you think he was just hoping that DC could handle Rose and then when he couldn't he had no Plan B? I'm no Coach Howland so this is armchair quarterbacking but at very least I would think it would make sense to try a different matchup, don't you?

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Apr 5, 2008 8:03 PM PDT reply actions  

sorry for the double post
forgot to hit reply the first time...thought i'd be able to delete this one.
Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Apr 5, 2008 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kansas-Memphis for the title
I hope the Jayhawks win. Nothing against Memphis, but I'm a big fan of Bill Self. I really think he's one of the top coaches in the game. And as usual, Roy Williams flames out yet again. His only title was with several lottery picks and an amazing performance by Sean May and he barely won that one. It's gonna be another track meet on Monday.

by UCLA4Life on Apr 5, 2008 8:06 PM PDT reply actions  

just couldn't shoot
We had over 14 uncontested mid range 2 pointers and 3 pointers in the 2nd half, and only made 1 (in the last 60 secs when the game was over).  Memphis forced us outside and we could not connect. Again, this is a game and we have a great team, with academics and character. Why complain...lets enjoy! (I think we are spoiled because of "the" Coach ).

by Vanman7475 on Apr 5, 2008 8:15 PM PDT reply actions  

That was my take, too ...
As well as Memphis played - and they played great - if we hit half of those shots, which we normally do, we'd have been right in it at the end.  Our team just picked an unfortunate time to go cold.  But it's part of the game and it happens.  We'll be back next year!

by snorkeldorf on Apr 5, 2008 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just saw the recap on cbs
and they showed those two 3's by DC and JK that rimmed in and out when we were only down by 7...you hate to think "what if" but man what if those shots go down...

by uclaw2010 on Apr 5, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

totally agree, we had enough open shots
we just weren't hitting enough of them to stay with Memphis.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"

by silverlakebruin on Apr 5, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Getting Over It
Well, it didn't take long. I just needed to get all of that bitterness out of me. Thanks for giving me a place to vent N and team. I love BN.

Can't wait for the fall and our new administration at the Rose Bowl followed up by an amazing hoops season with JH, RW, JK, LRMAM, and hopefully KL and DC.

Thank you LMR for all of the awesome memories.

See you all in September.

Bruins Forever

by bruinsince69 on Apr 5, 2008 8:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey bruinsince69
I read your comments and the responses to your comments.  To me, one game just doesn't quite determine who is better and who is not.  But unfortunately that is what NCAA tournament games are about.  What can I say ?

The first time in Final Four, we surprised many.  Nobody anticipated such gritty toughness from UCLA, even when THE COACH was in charge.  We were always known for " finesse and flexibility ", in the words of Billy Packers.  Of course with Lavin, that athletic quality took on a nauseatingly bizarre dimension.

Howland's style reminds me so much of Bobby Knight in his heydays at Bloomington, before his combustible character traits got the best of him.

Since you're a Bruin since 1969, I assume you remember that 1975 preseason game between UCLA and Indiana the first year Gene Bartow coached.  I'll never quite get over, to this day, how Knight's Hoosiers manhandled our star studded defending national championship team on national TV.  Outmuscled, outrebounded, not to say outscored in every which way, UCLA was taken to the cleaner many times over.  Bartow's debut also became the beginning of the end for him at Westwood.

That game at St. Louis marked the ascendancy of Knight's style of bruisingly tough half court motion offense.  This is where I think Howland's style most resembles Knight's.  So when we met again later in Philadelphia for the semifinal, Gene Bartow loudly proclaimed his team's confidence in getting even this time.  Who wouldn't when you had Richard Washington, formerly player of the year from Oregon, Marques Johnson, LA City Player of The Year from Crenshaw High plus David Greenwood, Roy Hamilton & Brad Holland on the same team ?

Yet the outcome showed little difference.  Knight's team manhandled, pummeled us as usual.  Over the years, even with Harrick's 95 Championship team, the pundits never looked at us as a physical team.  This is not to say we couldn't match up well with those that did.  When we clicked on all four cyclinders, circa O'Bannon's team in 95, we swept away everything.  But then most times we had trouble and struggled.

Now with Howland in charge, we are playing that brand of deliberate, half court motion offense with stifling, swarming defense that triumphed over many teams the way those strong, physical Indiana teams customarily did.

Calipari, if I am not mistaken, did not take that previous defeat at our hands kindly because we strangled them with such stifling defense he never anticipated from UCLA.  I can still recall vividly how we literally snuffed out his up tempo offense in the last eight plus minutes of the game. He never forgets, I suppose.   This time he got our number and had the horses to play it his way so very unfortunately.

I just wouldn't say, nor admit, that he outcoached Howland because had it been those NBA best of three games mini series, I bet you'd be surprised if Calipari still prevailed.

Bottom line, I don't like that guy and given the nature of the tournament games, I am ankling now for rematch in the future.

By the way, even their two Elvis look alikes cheerleaders or band members were tacky too.  I am not a sore loser but too bad there ain't no rematch in the horizon.

by Htse005 on Apr 5, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

One day we will have all the pieces
The previous two F4s we had to rely on outside shooting because we didn't have an inside game.

This year we had an inside game, but piss-poor outside shooting.

With Love gone, so goes the inside game.  This is frustrating, because next year we won't have all the pieces yet again.

On the other hand, North Carolina seems to have all the piece, yet they got blown away by Kansas.

Just goes to show, it is so, so tough to win in all.  Coach Wooden did it 10 times!  Disappointed in today's outcome, be very fortunate to be able to say that UCLA is a dynasty with no end in sight.

by bluegold on Apr 5, 2008 8:48 PM PDT reply actions  

ahem.
i would say that we "have all the pieces" as well, and are a better team than the tar heels.

congrats on a great season, you guys. selfishly, i am glad you guys lost, because you guys freak me out, especially after last season. memphis is a very good team, but i feel much more confident against them than you guys.

three straight final fours is an incredible, incredible accomplishment, and you guys have quite the coach.

congrats, again.

by rockchalktalk on Apr 5, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think he was implying
that Kansas was not a complete team by omission. I believe with very few exceptions that we all recognize that the Final Four this year simply had four outstanding teams when you look at their accomplishments this season. We appreciate the respect, but I really wish I was talking some good natured smack with you right now rather than accepting condolences. Anyway, good luck to the Jayhawks. Beating Roy must have been satisfying, no?

by Tydides on Apr 5, 2008 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Congratulations To The Jayhawks
Your guys played seriously and smart, and they are deep and talented.

As for coaching, I have been noting for years now how alike CBH and Bill Self are...both are serious, dignified, demanding, gracious and super classy.  They coach for defense, they deal similarly with the media, and their guys never gloat or trash talk.

Bill Self has worked hard and put together a truly championship team--he did not inherit it from Roy Williams.  He handled the victory over NC with great sportsmanship, as Ben Howland always handles every victory, no matter who the opponent is.  Bill Self worked his way to the championship game, period.

I expect our two teams will be meeting for the championship sometime very soon.  It will mark the true demise of the offense-only, run-and-gun champions.

Good luck tomorrow night.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Apr 6, 2008 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously
If this wasn't a terrible loss, what is?  We got KILLED on the national scene by playing tentative, scared and not very smart.  They are not a great team, they're a good team.  They wanted it more.  A LOT more.  How can anyone say otherwise?

I am a huge CBH fan and while tonight doesn't erase a great season, at a minimum it leaves it with a VERY bad taste in it's mouth.  Hopefully it will motivate Love to return.

by greatgymnasticschool on Apr 5, 2008 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

What's a terrible loss?
Try virtually any loss under Lavin's "coaching". How quickly we forget.

I don't know how you can justify calling a one loss team with 37 wins not a great team, a team with three possible first round picks including a sure lottery pick in Rose. There were four great teams in the Final Four this year. How can ANYONE say otherwise?

by Tydides on Apr 5, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well
Lottery picks have nothing to do with a team being great whatsoever.  All sorts of players go lottery without success or even attending college.  And how many GREAT college players never sniff the pros?  Lots, they're totally different things.

And while certainly subjective, to me a great team will not get killed by anyone and will be in position to win every game.  Maybe we were only down by ten before the fouls, but we all know we were holding on by finger nails and lucky to keep it close that long.  When it came to crunch time, we got crunched.  If we had lost this game in the last minute and put up a fight, prepared, confident, etc... that would be something else.  Good team?  Very good team?  Great team?  Different things to different people.    I know they didn't look like a great team yesterday - the most important time.  A frustrating way to end a great season?  Absolutely.

by greatgymnasticschool on Apr 6, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

You contradict yourself
Because according to your criteria, Memphis is the only team in the field that didn't get killed by anyone all season, losing a close game to Tennessee. So even according to you, Memphis is a great team. Not only that, but the only great team in the entire NCAA this year, directly contradicting your claim that they aren't a great team.

Or we could take a step back, gain some perspective, and recognize that greatness isn't dependent on the result of one game but the result of an entire season. All of the Final Four teams had plenty of success this season and were great teams, and as a result, their best players are first round NBA draft potential.

I understand the frustration, but your position on "greatness" doesn't make any sense.

by Tydides on Apr 6, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair point
But I don't think the season matters all that much with regards to a great team (as opposed to great season), especially if you play in Conference USA.  If they played in the Pac 10 or SEC, they would have some loses.  

Let me ask you, if they win it all are they a great team, a team that peaked at the right time or the best team in the tournament this season?

 

by greatgymnasticschool on Apr 6, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

sec=ACC
I can't wait for football season!

by greatgymnasticschool on Apr 6, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that a choice?
Can't it be all of the above?

by Tydides on Apr 6, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

"greatgymnasticschool"
This will be your last warning. If you attack any of the moderators on how we run this blog again, you will be gone. Thanks.

by Nestor on Apr 6, 2008 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Somewhere
Steve Lavin is giggling.
"You don't make it to the Final Four three straight times for no reason..Obviously coaching has something to do with it." Darren Collison

by godblesstyus95 on Apr 5, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love did all he could, as a freshman.
CBS camera showed several close shots of him sitting on the bench for the last time.  He looked hauntingly disappointed, the boyish happiness gone.

To me, he lived up the billing, and is Waltonesque in many ways.  But then his weakness being a tad slow on defense.  Opponents sometimes blew right by him.  His tendency to take outside shots at the perimeter baffles me.  Short, medium range turnaround jumpers would suit him best, much like Walton did.

Up tempo games tired him obviously.

by Htse005 on Apr 5, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

We didn't get killed
That was a 10 point game before the fouling.  Not a blowout.

by SuperBruinMan on Apr 6, 2008 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously
You need to change your username.

Let us know what you want to change it it and will make it happen.

Otherwise don't bother posting here with that trollbaiting username. Seriously.

by Nestor on Apr 6, 2008 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Disappointed Again - But......
We had a great season and a 3rd straight trip to the Final 4.  Just simply ran into a better team tonight with a lot of speed and a hell of a lot of athleticism.  

I have to think that one of these times we'll get #12 up in Pauley.  How can you not think that we will with CBH at the helm?

I love our guys and our coach.  GO BRUINS!

by Minnesota Bruinfan on Apr 5, 2008 9:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Tim Floyd
is that you?
"You don't make it to the Final Four three straight times for no reason..Obviously coaching has something to do with it." Darren Collison

by godblesstyus95 on Apr 5, 2008 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Dome Arenas
I was just wondering, was this our first game in a dome arena? I've heard that players have to adjust when they play in cavernous arenas- the depth perception is different. It makes outside shooting more of a challenge. I know Memphis played in a big arena in Houston last week-Reliant Stadium?

While comparing UCLA to the other Final 4 teams. I realize that we really need players in the 6-4 to 6-8 range that can slash and shoot perimeter shots. Dijon Thompson was the last UCLA player that really filled that role. Jrue Holiday is going to be amazing for us next year.

I think KLove was not as effective in the second because he was double teamed the entire second half. Plus, he did look tired. He really has embraced the tradition of UCLA and respected the game. Hope he comes back!

I'm still proud of the guys, I had a blast watching games at Pauley, in the Bay Area, Anaheim, and Phoenix. I hope all of them can say that their experience at UCLA has been enriching and rewarding.

Go Bruins!

by UCLA Champions Made Here on Apr 5, 2008 9:47 PM PDT reply actions  

What Rose had to say
after the game:
"Going into the game, we knew that we was going to win. Ain't too much to say,"

I'm sure Mr. Rose is getting quite an education at Memphis.

"You don't make it to the Final Four three straight times for no reason..Obviously coaching has something to do with it." Darren Collison

by godblesstyus95 on Apr 5, 2008 10:00 PM PDT reply actions  

What I'd like to see
is a battle of "wits" between Duh-von Jefferson and Rose. Talk about a contest with no winners...

by Tydides on Apr 5, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rose hails from
the public school system in Chicago.  You get what you get.

by Htse005 on Apr 5, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Public Universities"
I know this will sound old-fashioned, but one thing which bugs me is that our opponents in the final 4 are supposedly public institutions, but there was no starter on Memphis from the state of Tennessee, and only one in-state starter last year from Florida.

I think it is refreshing that UCLA's main recruiting base is in-state, and that the team represents the university and the community, instead of being a bunch of hired guns who are there for one reason and one reason only (and that reason is clearly not to learn to be articulate).

by islandbruin on Apr 5, 2008 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The one thing that bugs me
is wondering if things would've been better if Mike Roll had been healthy all season long. =\

by Raisin on Apr 5, 2008 10:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Keefe
If Roll played this season, that would have meant James Keefe would have redshirted this season. He was a difference-maker in the WKY game.

by UCLA Champions Made Here on Apr 5, 2008 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't understand the Roll lovefest
Roll couldn't have guarded any of Memphis starting five, maybe not even their mothers.

Roll is a slow white dude, who sometimes hits a 3 and mostly when such a 3 has no bearing on the game.

I don't mean to be so harsh on the guy, and maybe I'm a bit cranky after this loss, but the Roll I have seen with my own eyes is not the Roll some people have wishful thinking towards.

by bluegold on Apr 5, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Michael Roll
reminds me of a down graded prototype of Steve Alford.  He'll hit threes consecutively when the game goes our way and he stands, all alone, at the perimeter.  He can defend and double team ferociously though.

by Htse005 on Apr 5, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh
If Mike Roll was in our entire guard rotation would have looked a different and would have had a discernable impact on fouls/mins situation. We appreciate Roll's contribution not because he is a great player, but because the role he plays in the team. We appreciate every single one of our players who play a substantial "role" in the team scheme of Coach Howland.

by Nestor on Apr 6, 2008 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, it was painful
to see the Bruins fall short, no sense pretending it wasn't. Unfortunately, we didn't get the rebounds or make the shots that we needed in the final minutes. Congratulations to Memphis, and congratulations to the Bruins for achieving so much.

by Oldguy on Apr 5, 2008 10:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Guys better work on their shooting
As the players continue to work out and get bigger and stronger during the off-season, I hope they all work on improving their outside shooting.

by UCLA4Life on Apr 5, 2008 10:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Expectation is betach
Two years ago, WOW, National Title Game, Cool!
Last year, Oh s#!t Florida again, well let's see how much we have improved.
This year: "The best of my teams going to the Final Four"   Ooops! Two mistakes, Westbrook not being on Rose from the beginning and not getting the ball to Love especially in the second half.  I know KLove was guarded well, but shouldn't that have opened the lanes a bit.
I am still proud of the Bruins, but as we all know we don't hang Final Four banners in Pauley. I feel the worst for LMR, it would have been great to send him out on top.
Just disappointed, but proud!

by bruinblue85 on Apr 5, 2008 11:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Luc
Just saw Luc interviewed on Fox TV.  Poor kid was really sad.  I wonder if he was extra disappointed because his parents came all the way from Cameroon to watch his first game?  Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing Luc start in his 4th final 4 game next year.  That should be a record.

by bruin75 on Apr 5, 2008 11:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Luc played well today
He should be proud, but I feel bad for him.

by dokein on Apr 6, 2008 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Luc
was co-star of the game with Russ. He played a hell of a game.

by Ryan Rosenblatt on Apr 6, 2008 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe I missed something
but I thought a problem today is that Luc DIDN'T play his game but tried to do too much.

 How many of those midrange jumpers did he take and miss? And then AA2 comes in and does the same thing. If anybody was going to miss any outside shots, it should have been Collison who I thought was waaay to tentative. yes, he was overmatched physically, but he could have gotten some threes offf and he passed them up.

by Dodger Hater on Apr 6, 2008 12:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Memphis'
defensive strategy was to double Love and make LRMAM beat them. He took the second most shots behind Westbrook and had a solid game. However, we know (and they know) that Luc is a role player on this team and can't be expected to carry us in this type of game. If I were playing us, I'd leave Luc and AA2 open all day on the perimeter and say "go ahead and beat me"
"You don't make it to the Final Four three straight times for no reason..Obviously coaching has something to do with it." Darren Collison

by godblesstyus95 on Apr 6, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you team for another great season
In this game, my biggest gripe was the fact that we let CDR do what he wanted most of the game. I feel that if we would have put Mbah a Moute on him more it would have helped a great deal. CDR could shoot over westbrook, collison, and shipp. We had a few moments where we went with a big lineup with Luc at the three. We should have played that more, I believe if you go back and analyze the game from what I remember or saw, we did much better with luc at the three. Obviously Westbrook was playing great, so I think we should have rotated shipp and collison in the game. I also think that against this team mata and aboya were much better served than keefe.

by stephons on Apr 6, 2008 12:43 AM PDT reply actions  

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