WWL's Pat Forde: Southern Cal Deserves "Death Penalty"
Bumped. Go Bruins. -Menelaus
From WWL's Pat Forde following the (not so surprising) bomb shell on OJ2 (emphasis added):
In a just world, USC basketball would have something in common with SMU football in the near future.
The death penalty.
It's not going to happen, because NCAA bylaws don't work that way. And besides, they're not likely to ever again disband a program for a year after the smoking crater it left at SMU.
But USC deserves it. The school has so far escaped facing NCAA prosecution for compelling allegations that star tailback Reggie Bush and his family were lavishly compensated by an aspiring agent while playing for the Trojans. Now comes a devastating, thoroughly documented "Outside The Lines" report that goes into stunning detail about the money and gifts star guard O.J. Mayo allegedly received before and during his one season at USC.
All directly beneath USC's chronically blind eyes.
You can plead ignorance once -- and even that was almost impossible to believe, in the case of Bush. Plead it twice? Um, no. USC should be crushed by the NCAA, the Pacific-10 and its own administration.
Especially with a player everyone in Hoopsworld strongly suspected was no amateur before he set foot in Los Angeles. You had to search hard to find a soul who didn't think O.J. Mayo had been prostituted for years as his prep legend grew, starting in seventh grade. (Put it this way: When early Mayo confidant Sonny Vaccaro gets muscled out of the scene, somebody's bringing some serious juice to the table.)
So you take the Bush allegations, add a side of Mayo and ask the question: Has there ever been a more textbook definition of "lack of institutional control"?
If all the allegations stand up, USC athletic director Mike Garrett and the Inspector Clouseaus who comprise his compliance staff must lose their jobs over these serial embarrassments, or the school has no credibility whatsoever. When USC's two highest-profile sports both have star players allegedly on the brazen take from agents, somebody needs to answer for it. A lot of somebodies.
Or USC can take its ignorance and explain it to the NCAA Committee on Infractions, which shouldn't be in much of a mood to listen if the same OTL facts are presented to NCAA investigators as compellingly as they were on national TV and on this Web site Sunday.
Just one question: where was the LA Times?
First it was YahooSpots breaking the story open on BushGate and now WWL's OTL bursts open not so shocking MayoGate. You'd think Southern California's number 1 newspaper with its access to Southern Cal's athletic program would be on to this stories. No ... once again it's the national media reporters who ends up exposing what we have been suspecting all along.
Otherwise, we have nothing to add to Pat's article, which fired off this missile pointed towards Timmeh :
In the wake of this, it's hilarious to listen to Floyd's interview on "Pardon The Interruption" before Mayo started his brief career at USC. In a previous episode, Michael Wilbon had arched an eyebrow about taking someone with Mayo's red flags into the program. Floyd's response made Mayo sound like a tragically misunderstood Eagle Scout.
According to Floyd, Mayo was raised by a single mother who didn't have the money to pay a big cell phone bill -- which ostensibly is why Guillory discouraged Floyd from calling him during his recruitment. Floyd also said the kid "doesn't have anything" materially.
Despite that, the USC coach apparently never got around to wondering how the poor child from Huntington, W.Va., could afford the expensive clothes on his back or the expensive shoes on his feet. How about the flat-screen TV in his dorm? That never set off an alarm? If the answer is that USC coaches or compliance workers never set foot in Mayo's dorm room … why the hell not?
When you recruit someone radioactive, you better have everything checked down to the smallest detail. Or else your program turns into Three Mile Island.
As for the TrOJans making excuses from this latest scandal I will just leave you Pat's closing words in that must read article : "deny on".
GO BRUINS.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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See, as a Bruin Fan attending SMU
I can’t help but hear the comparisons drawn to SUC all the time, oh well…
O.A.
by Ollie on
May 11, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
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Let me take a wild guess
Delusional Trojie losers will blame OJ2, his handlers/agents and claim that their AD and Timmeh had nothing to do with it. Tomorrow Garry Klein in the Trojie Times and Wolfie in the Daily News will just cut and paste the paras from Heritage Hall press releases. So effing shameful and disgusting.
by bluestreet on
May 11, 2008 12:28 PM PDT
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Even trOJans don't deny these things
They simply believe that they are above the law, and everyone that has a problem with blatant cheating and rule/law breaking is “jealous”. 100 National Championships is something to be jealous of. Lying, raping, roiding, murdering…not so much.
by Tydides on
May 11, 2008 12:58 PM PDT
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Sadly, it really is the money
If this were San Diego State or some other non-major program, you don’t think the NCAA would’ve punished them already?
And the LA Times should be embarrassed over getting two major scandals about USC broken by other media.
by gilbert on
May 11, 2008 1:54 PM PDT
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Embarrassed?
Would they really be embarrassed if they, like SUC, were turning a blind eye intentionally? It just seems like they have no interest in even trying to find out about things like this, but they’d be all over something like Kevin Love talking to Coach Wooden.
by Tydides on
May 11, 2008 2:02 PM PDT
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They should be embarrassed
You make a pretty good point, they’re probably not embarrassed.
But they should be. Newspapers are supposed to do a better job of covering their local sports than the national media does. The LA Times shouldn’t be losing any scoops about local teams to ESPN, Yahoo, SI, or anyone.
Either they’re incompetent or biased. It has to be one or the other. I lean towards incompetent, but I can see why others would think they’re biased.
by gilbert on
May 11, 2008 2:31 PM PDT
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No doubt about it
They SHOULD be embarrassed. Getting scooped by Yahoo News of all places should be humiliating to a paper that considers itself monolithic like the LA Times. The real problem I have with them is I was about to mention in my previous post that there is no punishment for incompetence. Of course, this doesn’t apply to 99% of us out there. The punishment for that is, for most of us anyway, a pink slip. Somehow the LA Times can get away with their incompetence scot free though.
by Tydides on
May 11, 2008 2:56 PM PDT
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What makes their incompetence and/or bias ...
... more breathtaking … is the way they cover UCLA athletics in comparison.
I mean these clowns couldn’t wait to jump all over the Love/Wooden non-story. And yet they were completely out to lunch (if you were to believe innocent explanation) re. Bush and Mayo.
by Nestor on
May 11, 2008 3:05 PM PDT
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By The Way..
...what is the “official” status of that Love/Wooden issue?
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on
May 12, 2008 9:49 AM PDT
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It's Closed
As a paid consultant for UCLA, Wooden was allowed to talk to Love.
by Gen2Bruin1987 on
May 12, 2008 12:00 PM PDT
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Thank You
I knew that was the situation, but I had never heard about the inquiry being “offcially closed.” Such tilting at windmills, and all the while….Troy is aflame.
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by Bruingirl83 on
May 12, 2008 12:09 PM PDT
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Remember Dragovic
getting suspended for 10 games because he was playing on the same team with another player who was being paid in Europe?
Just ridiculous.
by godblesstyus95 on
May 12, 2008 9:51 AM PDT
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Seriously
Sure, you suspend a guy for 10 days for merely playing on the same team as a guy who is getting paid.
OJ2 is actually getting money, but that’s all good. I mean, if we apply the logic the NCAA uses for our program, does that mean all of Timmeh’s “Gap-Closers” have to sit out the first 10 games of next season since they played on the same team as a guy who got paid?
If so, I can’t wait to see how well U$C does with their IM team running the show.
by norcald503 on
May 12, 2008 10:23 AM PDT
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Don't forget
The IM’ers would have Lil’ Romeo running the show.
... Oh, right.
by bruinhoo on
May 12, 2008 12:33 PM PDT
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That would be quite the match-up
Lil’ Romeo and his IM squad taking on our Ben Ball Warriors. I would love to see that. It’d be a chance to see if the Bruins can set the NCAA record for steals in a game.
I’d say a score of something like 154-32 would be about right (and that’s assuming BH takes all the starters out at half).
by norcald503 on
May 12, 2008 1:55 PM PDT
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How about both incompetent and biased.
The real question is whether anyone in the universe is even the slightest bit surprised by this. I guess the fishwrap, the morons at the ncaa and Mike Garrett et al were all out helping OJ1 find the real killers when bu$hgate and OJ2gate were taking place.
by Fox 71 on
May 11, 2008 2:56 PM PDT
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Hilarious
Fox,
Best. Response. Ever.
by norcald503 on
May 11, 2008 7:48 PM PDT
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Business
LA Times apparently have made a decision to target Trojan fans as a source of revenue; if they turn those people off, there is no source of revenue by way of the sports section. They can’t afford to be unbiased anymore. In fact, one can argue most media sources has a POV from which they speak.
In end, LA Times will continue its descent into irrelevancy/
by kidro2001 on
May 11, 2008 4:12 PM PDT
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Descend?
The fishwrap is so low it would have to climb a log way to get up to irrelevancy. Relevancy is not a reachable target.
sjh
by Class of 66 on
May 12, 2008 7:05 AM PDT
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Has the fishwrap reported this at all?
Or has this story gone the way of bu$hgate and “White Nation” – just ignore it and it will go away.
by Fox 71 on
May 12, 2008 8:40 AM PDT
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On their website, yes
Can’t confirm about today’s hard copy edition.
by bruinbabe2000 on
May 12, 2008 9:33 AM PDT
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It was on the bottom of the front page
I didn’t read the article, though.
by SuperBruinMan on
May 13, 2008 4:28 PM PDT
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Don't be surprised
if Garrett and co. allow Floyd and the basketball program to burn to the ground and attempt to divert attention from their precious, big revenue sport. I doubt many SUC fans could care less what happens to the basketball program; as long as the cheating under Carroll continues without punishment, everything will be just fine in South Central.
by godblesstyus95 on
May 12, 2008 9:39 AM PDT
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Good point...
It would be a tragedy if the NCAA came down hard on Floyd and his program, to save face, while looking the other way regarding Bush and the issues with Carrol’s program.
by cabz on
May 12, 2008 11:56 AM PDT
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Hate to say it Cabz
But that’s basically a guarantee. No way $C lets the football program come under further scrutiny. The gap-closers have some splainin to do (Ricky Ricardo reference)
by bruinhopeful on
May 12, 2008 1:26 PM PDT
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It is surprising
how much collateral damage SUCs football program is taking in all of this. Forde in a interview on ESPN this afternoon called them “an SEC school in the Pac-10” referencing both Bu$h and Mayo several times, and there was a debate over which situation (Bu$h or Mayo) was “most troublesome”.
It is somewhat ironic that a scandal involving the basketball program is bringing the Bu$h saga back to the forefront. Sooner or later, I believe Garrett will need to be held accountable, and he will be forced to take some sort of action. I predict that action will come at the expense of Floyd’s gap-closers in order to save his precious football program.
by godblesstyus95 on
May 12, 2008 5:15 PM PDT
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It is pathetic that the Times and the Daily News
are scooped my national media on this. Of course, what would you exect when you hire alums to cover the school? do you think they are going to look for the dirt?
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on
May 12, 2008 2:04 PM PDT
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'Agent........Runner......Athelete
I hate to say it, but this goes on EVERYWHERE, not just $C.
Every single athelete that has a shot of making it in the pros has agents interested in representing them. Lets just assume the agent gets 10% of the atheletes contracts (I have no idea how accurate this is, but it seems like a reasonable estimate). If that is the case, then over the course of their careers the OJ Mayos (and Kevin Loves) of the world will easilly be worth well over $10m to whatever agent lands them. When gigantic sums of money like that are involved, its no surprise that people are cheating the system in order to land these atheletes as clients, and its no wonder they would blow 100’s of thousands of dollars on slimey characters like Guillory in order to do so.
The current system of prohibiting agents from directly contacting atheletes is just dumb. Its what leads to shady characters like these runners having such huge influence on the atheletes.
With all that said, I hope $C goes down hard for this (and for bushgate)
by haster123 on
May 12, 2008 2:12 PM PDT
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Everywhere?
I don’t remember any news about Ben Howland turning a blind eye (a la Timmeh) while UCLA players cavort with these shady characters.
The problem is not the system. The problem is slime programs like $C.
by islandbruin on
May 12, 2008 2:19 PM PDT
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A long-term investment
for all but the highest profile stars. Since the current rookie/drafted player’s salary structure was implemented, agents get nothing from a player’s first contract, under the reasoning that the agent has no role in negotiating the contract – the player signs under financial terms determined by his draft slot, and the team decides whether to exercise option years. For subsequent player contracts, the NBA caps fees at 4% (though few agents actually take that much).
For high profile players, as OJ2 likely will be entering the league, the big money, for both the player and the agent comes from endorsements, the most lucrative being the shoe deal. This is where the higher commission comes into play, with OJ2’s agent able to take upward of 10% of a likely eight-figure contract.
by bruinhoo on
May 12, 2008 3:17 PM PDT
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Got any facts to back up your argument?
You say every athlete has agents looking to rep them, and that’s probably logical. But the inference from your post is that people are cheating in very large numbers. Let’s stick close to home. Do you have any facts at all to support the notion that our most famous B-baller of last year, Mr. Love, took an illegal dime? Anything at all? How about anyone on the team? Let’s expand a bit—do you have any facts about anyone besides OJ2?
I have lots of suspicions (not about any Bruins, by the way) but I don’t brand them as fact. Your string of assumptions may very well be true, but unless you have some evidence to back up these opinions and assumptions, I would prefer if you label them as such.
by Fox 71 on
May 12, 2008 3:28 PM PDT
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Facts
Thanks for the contract info Bruinhoo, I didnt know any of that, and it is quite interesting.
All of the above is of course, just my opinion. As a Bruin, I would not be stupid enough to post any “facts” here even if I had any.
At the same time, I am not naive enough to think that runners do not exist. I have met them(well, one who pursues ucla athelets anyways), they DO exist. The current system that prevents college athelets from even meeting with agents before they graduate (or declare) forces their existance.
by haster123 on
May 12, 2008 3:39 PM PDT
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If you do not have facts
Then don’t insinuate that what happens at Southern Cal’s program also happens at UCLA. If you are going to come here and accuse our program of any kind of wrong doing without providing a shred of hard evidence, you will be gone. Consider it your first and last warning. Thanks.
by Nestor on
May 12, 2008 3:46 PM PDT
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Sorry Nestor
I do not at all mean to imply that any athelete at ucla has accepted anything from these go betweens.
It is just my opinion that these go-betweens DO exist, and at every major university.
And, yes, I hope usc frys for it.
by haster123 on
May 12, 2008 3:52 PM PDT
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Wait A Minute...
You have no facts, and if you did, you’re not “stupid” enough to post them. I’m sorry, I don’t get it…you previously said you’ve met runners who specifically “go after” UCLA atheletes, and you’ve got “stories,” but that you can’t remember for which agency this person you’ve met works. Are those facts?
Did this person claim to have had contact with Kevin Love, or what are you saying?
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by Bruingirl83 on
May 12, 2008 3:47 PM PDT
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Fox, Fox, Fox -- There You Go Again
Facts?
He had dinner with three wealthy alums, one DN writer who does not care about facts (notice I said writer not reporter), and two cab drivers who once picked up a basketball star at the airport.
What more do you need?
sjh
by Class of 66 on
May 12, 2008 4:40 PM PDT
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It Is Reasonable
to acknowledge that, because of UCLA’s unparallelled success in men’s basketball, its program is under a significantly more powerful microscope than most-if not all-others. That, plus the scrutiny of the Bruin-haters, who are not without resources, would tend to show that it is extremely unlikely that Ben Howland has ever allowed or ignored signs of any of this kind of crap. Give me evidence, especially if you’re going to casually stick Kevin Love’s name into your comment. (Or any Bruin’s name, for that matter.)
EVERYWHERE is a big place.
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by Bruingirl83 on
May 12, 2008 3:41 PM PDT
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To show how deceitful the Times is:
The bio for Adam Rose on the USC blog:
Our Blogger
Adam Rose learned about the highs and lows of USC athletics while going to school. As a freshman, he watched the football team crash to the bottom of the Pac 10. By the time he was a senior, he was in the stands for a National Championship. In between, he liked to argue points as a member of the Trojan Debate Squad. Nowadays, he’s just looking to tell a good story. He is currently Sports Editor for LAist, where he covers a wide range of local action. He can also be seen weekly on KNBC 4’s News Raw. Adam manages special events in the sports community when he isn’t participating himself (he staggered through the LA Marathon and can often be found on local soccer fields). If you have a question about the Trojans or just want to give him a piece of your mind, email: adam@laist.com.
His bio on the UCLA Blog (notice anything missing?):
Adam Rose grew up in a house divided between UCLA and USC … now he’s writing about both. He served as Sports Editor for LAist (covering a wide range of local action) and is also a regular on KNBC 4’s News Raw. Adam manages special events in the sports community when he isn’t participating himself (he staggered through the LA Marathon and can often be found on local soccer fields). If you have a question about the Bruins, Trojans, or just want to give him a piece of your mind, email: adam@laist.com.
"when you've seen how big the world is, how can you make due with this?"
by silverlakebruin on
May 12, 2008 2:13 PM PDT
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Spin! Spin! Spin!
It’s the U$C MO: spin the truth, look the other way, and pretend like nothing is wrong!
by norcald503 on
May 12, 2008 9:07 PM PDT
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I don't like this arrangement
as much as anyone else here, but I sincerely doubt that they have Adam Rose covering both colleges to intentionally slight UCLA. I suspect that LAT management thinks they can cut costs by only paying a single blogger, even though the move is bad business for the very reason that it looks like disrespect to UCLA and its many graduates.
But that aside, the LAT and OCR have a clear pro-USC slant, which I can only assume is the result of Los Angeles not having an NFL team and the papers wanting to sell issues to football fans. If I’m right about this, the same logic wouldn’t apply to UCLA hoops because they can push Lakers coverage.
I’ll hold back on guessing whether the big miss on the OJ2 story is the product of intentional neglect or a downsized sports desk. If you can imagine how a police department that has a few beat cops and no detectives might function, that’s probably a good analogy for many newspapers – daily writers churning out copy but no investigative reporters who have the experience and time to get deep into an issue.
by FreewayBruin03 on
May 12, 2008 10:29 PM PDT
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I used to frequent Perlman's blog
But haven’t looked at Rose’s version since his first week, the morbid curiosity got to me that first week to see how he would compare to Perlman.
My final adjudication: Rose seemed to put a whole lot less effort into the blog and I no longer found any nuggets that the rest of the internet was already providing. So I no longer visit, why have a Trojan write about the Bruins? What was the fishwrap thinking?
by Rhapsode on
May 12, 2008 11:05 PM PDT
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"What was the fishwrap thinking?"
It’s typical trOJie arrogance. The trOJie thinking so permeates that garbage can liner that it’s assumed that as long as some trOJie somewhere says it’s OK, then it’s OK. And that’s why I parted company with the fishwrap so many decades ago. The concept that a trOJie can be objective about UCLA and can report about UCLA is laughable. Hey fishwrap – here’s an idea: How about hiring me to cover trOJie events? I can be totally objective about that putrid slime-filled boil over on Figueroa.
by Fox 71 on
May 13, 2008 5:14 AM PDT
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The fishwrap getting torn a new one in Bama
A couple of weeks ago, I was voicing my frustration to one of my co-workers about the fishwrap’s bias. This morning, she told me how the Alabama media (particularly the Birmingham News) get raked over the coals when they don’t break a story about funny business at Auburn or Alabama. She told me that she was listening to the radio last night and the host was saying that people are quick to criticize the Alabama papers, but the fishwrap has dropped two big stories in the past two years.
It’s not justice, but anything that raises hatred against Southern Cal is ok in my book.
by bruinbabe2000 on
May 13, 2008 9:25 AM PDT
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Just sitting here knowing...
that nothing’s going to come of it. What a complete crock of shit. Soldier on Bruins.
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May 16, 2008 5:40 PM PDT
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