And, Here's Brand on Mayo
Bumped. GO BRUINS. -N
From the same Duarte article I blogged on below :
Q: Have you been frustrated by the tone of coverage in the O.J. Mayo case? (Mayo, who is entering the NBA after one season at USC, is said to have received cash and other impro-
per gifts from a promoter with whom he has since signed.)A: I understand the provocative nature of those kinds of cases and the interest of the public in it. I think the part I don't like and find frustrating is that the next step to generalizing is, "Oh, that shows there's something wrong with men's basketball."
So let's see if I get this one right -- the problem is the "provocative nature" of those cases and the public's interest in them? Not the underlying facts and the fact that sc continues to cheat and the NCAA is making a mockery of its status and rules by not enforcing them.
When asked by another Chronicle columnist, Jerome Solomon, why the NCAA, which has an enforcement division staffed to people who have been prosecutors, doesn't go after more of these violators, Brand said something like "People go to prison for robbing banks, yet people keep robbing banks."
So, might as well look away?
I don't think so. The values that underly our criminal justice system also underly the prosecution of NCAA violations. Why do we enforce laws like those that protect banks -- even though people still rob banks?
The underlying policy values are simple:
- Deterrence: We believe that if people know they run the risk of being punished, they will refrain from doing bad things. There is a corollary to this: Bad people, if they think they can get away, unpunished, will commit bad acts.
- Retribution: Retribution is an odd value -- some see it as making people feel better to see wrong doers suffer and others see it as essential to allowing the convict to "pay" the price of his bad acts to reinforce the fact that he did wrong.
- Isolation: When people do bad enough things, they are taken out of society -- both to protect us from them and to make a clear statement that their behavior does not fit our norms.
- Rehabilitation: In the criminal justice system, there is more punishment than rehabilitation. In an ideal system, a person would come out of prison a better person rather than a better convict.
- Making Our Standards Clear: Enforcement is critical to letting society know that these are our rules and that we take them seriously. Winking and nodding diminishes respect for authority.
All of these values apply to what is going on at sc. I've never heard a criminal prosecutor say "I won't prosecute bank robberies because people will continue to rob banks."
Yet, Miles Brand continues to look the other way on Bushgate and OJII (not to mention the criminal docket amassed by sc in the past few years.)
Sorry, Miles, you cannot justify not going after sc on the grounds that "schools will continue to cheat". By not prosecuting, you are undercutting the policy values that we, as a society, have adopted in support of prosecutions of all kind.
Finally, maybe I'm taking this all too seriously. But, I can't stand when people make statements that rationalize the failure to act using arguments like "it won't do any good" or "everyone is doing bad things, anyway".
By not acting, the NCAA is punishing the programs who take the 350 page manual seriously.
I, for one, have no respect for the NCAA. I'd not shed a tear if someone figured a way to take the honest schools and form another organization. In my mind, I believe the good schools far outweigh the bad and that a competitive group would render the NCAA meaningless.
sjh
PS. I think I've got it. Decided to do 2 long FanPosts to see if I could handle the new formatting. I'm most of the way there.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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Thank you 66 for making this point clear
Earlier, I tried and failed to make the same point you’re making here.
Thanks for hitting this home and doing it in a much better, thought-out way than I did. I 110% agree with everything you’ve put in this post.
Like I said before, it’s easy for Brand to say they’ll punish a high profile school, but it’s another thing entirely to actually do something. What is so incredibly frustrating is that the NCAA, through its constant inaction, has so lowered the bar of our expectations that some of us (myself not included) are pleased that Brand merely said they would consider punishing a high-profile program.
I think it’s clear, as you’ve pointed out, that based on some of his comments, while Brand talks big and tough now, he’s already inadvertantly hinted that the NCAA will bury its head in the sand and U$C will walk away with a slap on the wrist.
by norcald503 on May 14, 2008 12:41 PM PDT 0 recs
What Our Posts Make Clear
is that this is the NCAA party line.
Each of us quoting a different source and getting the same position.
sjh
by Class of 66 on
May 14, 2008 2:14 PM PDT
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"something wrong with college basketball"
It sounds like Brand’s opinion is that it’s a shame that people generalize and say there is “something wrong with college basketball” because a few players like OJ2 cheat.
Someone should tell him that the “something” in “something wrong with college basketball” is that HE and his fellow stooges at the NCAA don’t have the sack to man-up and enforce their own rules.
by bornagainbruin on May 14, 2008 1:51 PM PDT 0 recs
Good post
Your arguments are well made, concise and to the point. Hopefully, Brand will listen to them and take corrective action.
But then again, Brand is a coward. I doubt anything will come out of this mess.
Victory or until next year!
by ncrpz2 on May 14, 2008 2:37 PM PDT 0 recs
Agree
Great post but I have no confidence in a goober like Brand.
by bluestreet on
May 14, 2008 2:39 PM PDT
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NCAA and new information on OJ2
Ray Ratto had a basically unintelligible column in today’s SF Chronicle about the OJ2 situation. One line which did make sense, however, was his reaction to the NCAA’s comment that they would investigate the OJ2 case, based on “new information”. As Ratto pointed out, the new information is called “cable television”. He also pointed out that another “new information” source called the “internet” had red flags about Mayo well before he came to $C.
The more the NCAA falls over itself trying to act like they have a clue, the more they show themselves to be the fools they are.
by islandbruin on May 14, 2008 2:48 PM PDT 0 recs
Precisely
Thanks for articulating this. I was formulating a post myself, which I’d planned to discuss deterrence, retribution, etc., just as you. The issue grabbed my attention when I was reading other blogs that were waxing poetic about the “larger” problems in college basketball, and the influence of money on the system. Intentionally or not, there are a lot of people out there that are willing to excuse misconduct just because there is some out there. And, while I’m up for a spirited discussion of root causes, just because their might be some (just as with the criminal justice system), doesn’t mean that there isn’t value in identifying and punishing the misconduct you do manage to identify.
by Menelaus on May 14, 2008 6:16 PM PDT 0 recs
Man...
Only with SUC does one have to go out of one’s way to explain why crimes should not go unpunished.
by bruinbunz on May 15, 2008 12:25 AM PDT 0 recs
I confess
I actually took a wander through the conquest chronicles to see what was being said by the children about OJ2. A couple of points. If you want to do it yourself, make sure you don’t touch anything. You don’ t know where those posts have been. And disinfect yourself when you get back.
Anyway, two things stood out on my visit. One, there are VERRRRRY few contributors over there. On our five recommended fanposts, we have 137 comments. I counted ALL of the comments over there—a total of 83. Not enough data to draw any valid conclusion, but I’ll offer my opinion on that fact. They recognize what they are.
The second thing I noticed was that there was a recognition that there was something wrong in the athletic department. (The fact that there were so few comments tells me that the majority of trOJies are simply in denial.) I didn’t spend a lot of time on that site, but I was surprised by the fact that even the trOJie running it thinks the ncaa is a toothless lion at best and a joke at worst.
by Fox 71 on May 16, 2008 4:27 AM PDT 0 recs














