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Too Close To Call?

Last weekend we alerted you to an on going survey on WWL which asked UCLA fans who we think is the face of our football program.

My suggestion was some guy who holds the all time UCLA record for passing and total offense, orchestrated a 20 game winning streak and went 4-0 against Troy.

He is also the same guy, who the plurality of BN views as the greatest UCLA quarterback of all time:

But as of right now Cade McNown is running a distant third behind these two who are locked in a dead heat as the answer to who is the face of our program:

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Fair enough. I have no problem with either of those two options. Fox71 presented the argument on behalf of CRN:

All the names which have been suggested are great Bruins. But the question is not "name a great Bruin" but "Who is the Face of the Program in Bruin football." The face of our program is out and about in the community. There are several videos up here in the BN. It seems to me that any time anyone says anything about the program, the reference is quickly to one guy – Rick Neuheisel. I think he’s the current Face of the Program

That makes sense.

I imagine number 8 is getting a lot of consideration in this poll because he is the best Bruin QB ever to play in the biggest stage of this game. Not only that Aikman has been a pretty involved alum. He was one of the few alums who we heard strongly endorsed Neuheisel during the coach hiring process last December.

I am curious though. It would be great to hear from those who voted in the poll how they made their decision. And of course if you voted for someone else, please share who we had left out in the discussion.

GO BRUINS.

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Troy Aikman

All of us here can name a number of Bruin greats who have achieved on the college gridiron and moved on and achieved great things in the NFL and in life in general. But ask anyone outside the Bruin family to name the first person they think of when you say UCLA Football, and the overwhelming majority will say Troy Aikman. Sure, it’s due mostly to his NFL career and the superbowls, but it is the reality.

I think Cade McNown was a better college QB. Great win/loss record, the records, 4-0 against South Central; but ask your common man outside the program about Cade McNown and they’ll say, who?

I believe, if there is going to be a close second it would be Donahue. I know he is not very popular here. I’m on the fence about him. I do think that if he had stayed at UCLA a little longer, that he would have won the National championship with the 97 & 98 teams that Toledo mismanaged. But, that is conjecture. Again, approaching this from an outside perspective rather than our own inside view, i think more outsiders would pick Donahue before Neuheisel.

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden

by MexiBruin on May 21, 2008 7:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good comments

But keep in mind the ESPN question was posed to diehard UCLA fans. They presented the Q (if I read it correctly) to the Bruin family not to the common man (or woman).

So as a member of the Bruin family who do you think is (or should be) the face of our program?

by Nestor on May 21, 2008 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

my decision came down to the three qbs

Rick, Cade and Troy. I chose Rick because he’s the most recent face and is doing a heck of a job so far. As Norm Chow says, the play on the field can’t start with the quarterback therefore he’s the most important position on the field.

by bruin95 on May 21, 2008 7:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm not sure myself, but ...

i remember when my older brother was a student at UCLA and he would take me to home football games. we were standing in the student section when Cade McNown had that memorable play against Washington State where he flipped into the end zone. i think he really won our hearts during that memorable 1998 season, where UCLA became the inaugural team to get screwed over by the BCS.

by deepdish on May 21, 2008 8:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I voted for Aikman

You can recount all the accomplishments, college and pro. Bottom line, you see more Aikman jerseys to this day around the Rose Bowl than any other.

by Give me a B... on May 21, 2008 9:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting Criterion

I actually like the idea that the face of the program could be determined by the most popular jersey.

However, I don’t think the face of the program should be somebody whose success occured by and large post-graduation. Aikman only played 2 years at UCLA, and did not lead his team to victory when it counted against $C (a sick Rodney Peete clearly outplayed Aikman when it mattered).

An interesting screen would be to pick somebody whose jersey number has been retired. These are the players who the university has determined to be most worthy of honor. That is not necessarily the same as the face of the program, but an overlap would make sense (just like in basketball, where the most logical choices have retired numbers or their name on the court).

The retired football numbers are 5 (Kenny Easley 77-80), 13 (Kenny Washington 37-39), 16 (Gary Beban 65-67), 34 (Paul Cameron 51-53), 38 (Burr Baldwin 41,42,46), 79 (Jonathan Ogden 92-95), 80 (Donn Moomaw 50-52), and 84 (Jerry Robinson 75-78).

Unfortunately, players who did not perform well post-UCLA (e.g. Beban) probably have insufficient name recognition to be considered the national face. However, that would still leave 3 stellar selections- Jerry Robinson (1st 3 time consensus All-American in the country since the 40’s), Kenny Easley (another 3 time consensus All-American), and Jonathan Ogden (arguably the best to play his position, and a 2 sport All-American at that).

Choosing Troy Aikman is analagous in my mind to Cal hanging Jason Kidd’s jersey in the rafters. A great (by any standard) pro career does not override a 2 year college career with no Rose Bowl (football) or Final Four (basketball) appearances.

by islandbruin on May 21, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Goes to popularity

No question a true Blue Bruin would primarily look at what the player did while at UCLA. Its hard to argue with McNown, Easley, Robinson or Ogden on that count. But one could argue that the face of the program carries on past UCLA into the pros, where the player’s year and college are mentioned every time out (e.g. Monday Night Football). So average (jersey buying) fan gives it to Aikman.

by Give me a B... on May 21, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya I definitely agree with your points

but I took the question as who comes to mind when you think of UCLA football, and I found myself choosing between Aikman and Donahue

O.A.

by Ollie on May 22, 2008 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went with Troy on the vote..

I saw him in Dallas down at the bar in the ritz, I felt too embarrassed to have him sign a hotel notepad, so I just said hi and told him I’m a bruin fan transplanted in SMU.

O.A.

by Ollie on May 22, 2008 12:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

also I have to point out

that the most common answers seemed to be John Wooden, the Dance team, or the cute geoff the alumni cheerleader LOL…gotta love ESPN comment boards

O.A.

by Ollie on May 22, 2008 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point in time, I picked Cade

But I reserve the right to change that to CRN in the next couple of years.

Probably no one on this board loves Troy Aikman more than me, but the fact remains that he never beat Southern Cal or won a Rose Bowl. If he had played all four years at UCLA, it may have been a different story. Cade beat Southern Cal all four years and went to the Rose Bowl.

But I understand why people voted for Troy Aikman since he probably had the best pro career of any Bruin, and therefore is the most recognizable.

CRN bleeds blue and gold and will pour his heart and soul into bringing us back to greatness. If he succeeds, then he will be the face of UCLA football.

by bruinbabe2000 on May 22, 2008 6:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't ignore post-UCLA

If we focused only on their collegiate careers, then one could say OJ Simpson deserves to be the face of u$c (I know, he probably does anyway). So I think it’s impossible to ignore what else the players have done in their lives.

Troy donated a huge amount of money ($1 million?) from his NFL signing bonus to UCLA right off the bat. His pro career stands above any other Bruin. Super Bowls, MVP, all of Dallas’ passing records, and a first ballot HOF’er. He (with Joe Buck) has become Fox’s #1 broadcast duo.

But Troy’s off-the-job activities are just as impressive. Troy won the NFL’s Man Of The Year – a very prestigious award. His charitable foundation focuses on childrens health, and has built play areas in several childrens hospitals around the country, with the goal of having one in every NFL city. There are no stories about handicapped parking cards or stealing teammate’s playmate girlfriends (then losing them), or holdouts, or squandered talent. Everything Troy has done has been pure class.

I love Cade (and I have his jersey), and agree that Cade had a better UCLA career, but I can’t ignore the rest of the story. So when I think about who I brag about having gone to UCLA, it’s Troy every time. And if Donahue had called for Troy to roll out from the 6 against Wazzu, he would have waltzed into the endzone and we would have stayed #1.

greg in denver

by gbruin on May 22, 2008 8:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OJ?

I thought it would be Al Cowling

by islandbruin on May 22, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we can't ignore post-UCLA

then I’d put this guy ahead of Aikman and Ogden.

And the more I think about it, the more I’d put Jackie Robinson #2 as the “face of the UCLA football program” behind Neu.

by bornagainbruin on May 22, 2008 12:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I chose Aikman

I grew up with him as a Bruin. In fact, he was the first quarterback for UCLA that I vividly remember watching. It’s very visceral for me, more of a coming-of-age point, and less about accomplishment.

In fact, after everyone noted that Aikman never beat USC, I had to go back and check. Yep, you’re right. I didn’t even remember that. I’m not sure why.

But still, for me, it’s Aikman. It really has little to do with his professional success, and much more about the fact that for me, he’s the first Bruin QB I really remember.

by CAJason80 on May 22, 2008 3:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A couple more names for the mix.

The first UCLA tailback that I remember was Billy Kilmer. I remember vividly his 80 yard run against Air Force in - gulp - 1960.

And I will never forget Gary Beban, of Beban to Witcher for a TD, Beban to Nelson for two points, then Beban to Altenberg for a TD and a 20-16 win.

by Fox 71 on May 22, 2008 7:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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