More On The Prince ...
WWL’s Andy Katz writes from Lake Buena Vista (emphasis added):
If Luc Richard Mbah a Moute decides to return to UCLA, he has a chance to go to four Final Fours during his NCAA career, a feat that would be matched by fellow Cameroonian countryman and teammate Alfred Aboya, as well as fellow classmates Darren Collison and Josh Shipp.
But the chance for Aboya, Collison and Shipp to reach one more Final Four could be tied to Mbah a Moute's decision in the next few weeks.
Mbah a Moute is here at the NBA pre-draft camp to see if he can get, at the very least, a guaranteed second-round contract. Anything short of a guarantee, and he'll return to the Bruins, he said. That's not what he wants, but he'll take the option since he said he will be six classes away from graduating after the spring quarter concludes next month. That means he could graduate in December and have a stress-free Pac-10 and NCAA tournament in 2009.
Took those grafs from the non-premium (public) part of Katz’s Insider Blog on WWL. The post seems to make it clear that LRMAM is not in Orlando just to get an insider opinion on his NBA draft stock. He is there looking for a "guaranteed" contract to the NBA. And he is looking for it badly enough that he is shopping around for a second around for K.
As I have said before I have no problem whatsoever with players going to these NBA pre-draft camps to assess their draft status, get feedback, and then make a decision what they think (doesn’t matter what we think) is in their best interest professionally as a basketball player.
Luc is a great kid. He is smart and he will make a decision what he thinks is good for him. And I am all right with. I will support him if he decides to go even if he jumps on an offer to go in the second round.
However, what concerns me is that if LRMAM decides to come back (after failing to secure a second round guaranteed K) which Luc are we going to see in a UCLA uniform next season:
You can check the full stats here.
Are we going to see the Prince from freshman year, who the entire Nation fell in love with or are we going to see the errant Luc from last two years, who despite his immense talent as defender and tenacious rebounder, see his production around the boards vastly diminish as he dreamed about developing into a mid range jump shooter.
Take a look at those numbers. In last three years Luc’s rebounding totals decreased from the total of 318 to his freshman year to 172 in his sophomore season and to 125 last year. His offensive rebound totals went down from 117 to 87 to 73.
And as he talked about working on his jump shots in the press, his FG% went down each season going from .538 in his freshman season to .478 this past year.
Now we should consider the fact that LRMAM dealt with injury issues this past season while viewing these numbers. So it is understandable if his production went down. And I think we should also note that while his offensive production and rebounding numbers sagged considerably, as we noted numerous times this past season he was still the glue in our defense. His absence in defense was noticeable when he went down in the first half of Southern Cal game. Not to mention it was noticeable how our defense suffered in his absence because without him our guards couldn’t get into the lock down around the perimeter.
Still, I believe we LRMAM could have done so much better if he played within himself and played to his strengths – his defense and rebounding ability – instead of working to be a jump shooter. We all remember articles like this heading into this last season:
The agitated relationship between UCLA's Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and his jumper has apparently reached a high point. To achieve this, the junior used the level of tenacity he is known more for displaying around the basket."He did it, No. 1, through his efforts and hard work," UCLA coach Ben Howland said Tuesday. "He's shooting the ball with a much shorter stroke -- less motion, less chance of error."
The breakthrough was necessary for the Bruins, who are expecting the 6-foot-8 forward to be more of a factor on the perimeter, and for Mbah a Moute himself six months after considering declaring for the NBA draft.
Scoring 8.2 points per game made him UCLA's fourth-leading scoring a year ago, but Mbah a Moute wanted improvement and hatched an offseason plan with Howland to get his shot in shape.
In the spring, he worked with assistant coach Scott Garson and practiced shooting one-handed so that his balance and follow-through would stay consistent.
Mbah a Moute even took film of himself shooting at home while he helped the Cameroon national team to a silver medal in the FIBA Africa Championship in August.
Well his shooting touch never came around. And as the stats indicated above his rebounding numbers went down substantially. As did his FG% and the number of FTs he attended indicates he wasn’t attacking the basket with the same tenacity he was doing his freshman season.
So what am I saying here? I am saying that if LRMAM decides to return to UCLA for his senior season, it will be in the team’s best interest (and his) if he plays with Howland’s offensive framework. I am saying that if he comes back he should work on getting better as a college "4" which is improving his rebounding numbers, attacking the rim, playing defense, instead of clunking his jumpers from the midrange which we have been hearing about for last 2+ years. Besides if he is going to make it to the NBA he is going to do it based on his surreal athleticism, his lateral movement, and his ability to play defense. Again just a reminder:
Those moments have been seared into our memories. And they didn't involve jumpers. They involved RIDICULOUS, tenacious defense, surreal lateral movement, and the ability to sprint and hustle in a way I have never seen from any freshmen in my 20 years of following college hoops.
So I realize that some of my comments here is a bit jarring for folks around here given the way we adore Coach Howland and our Ben Ball warriors. Nothing has changed. We still love Howland and love what LRMAM means to our program. However, that doesn’t mean we can stop being frank (based on numbers, statistics, and what our eyes tell us) about what we see and expect from the team.
I would love to have the Prince back in Westwood. But I want to see the Prince from 05-06, not the one from 06-08.
GO BRUINS.
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Another possibility
Luc plays D, rebounds, AND HITS HIS MID RANGE J.
I don’t think a lot of his shots were out of the offense. He was wide open for many of them, he just lacked the consistency. Severely lacked it. So maybe he would have been better served to get the ball to a more consistent scorer.
But instead of hoping Luc and AA2 play within themselves, I prefer to see their games actually grow. If Luc finally gets consistent with the J, I would love to see him take it.
Maybe I’m missing your point a little Nestor. If the point is that he shouldn’t let his offense dictate his hustle on the boards and the D then I 100% agree. But I don’t want him passing up open J’s. I want him making teams pay for leaving him and setting up his dribble drive.
"Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny" - Boss
by TCbruin32 on May 30, 2008 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense to me
The precise point is that the expansion of Luc’s offensive repertoire will, in all likelihood, be detrimental to his strongest attributes: tenacious D, rebounding, and second chance points. Watching Luc’s game over the last 3 years, as well as looking at the statistics, seems to strongly suggest that that is the case.
An analogy for the Laker fans: Luc’s meal ticket to the NBA is being more Ronny Turiaf, and less Pau Gasol.
by godblesstyus95 on May 30, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for saying what I was thinking
That and too say lets not get negative on the Prince. he works hard and deserves his shots. No one is going to have problem with his shots if he makes them.
A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden
by MexiBruin on May 30, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some thoughts
I can understand how a kid like Luc feels a pull to go pro. It’s the end of his junior year and he wants a profession. If I would have been offered my profession after my 3rd year of school, it would’ve been tough not to go for it. He wants to do what he loves, and be self-sufficient, and he’s so close to done w/ school!
However, I think he is in a position in which coming back can only benefit him. He will have the opportunity to be a huge player next year. I can guarantee that w/ Love and Mata-Real gone, his rebounding #s will skyrocket. And if he learns how to shoot (if he really wants it, he’ll improve; he’s not steve kerr though), he’ll get more out of the NBA NEXT summer by staying in school this year. There is always risk of injury, but going to the NBA as a 2nd-rounder won’t change that. Wherever you play there is risk of injury.
Luc will play professional basketball. Whether it is in the NBA will depend, like everything, on hard work and some luck. Normally I feel torn about whether it’s better for a kid to stay or go. But Luc should stay, for these reasons:
1) To graduate. He may not know the meaning now, but he will later.
2) His numbers. They will go up, no question. Especially because it is essentially a “contract year.”
3) He could use another year to develop.
4) Being a senior is awesome.
5) He gets to be on a great team.
6) To set Final Four records.
Luc, best of luck either way. Everything works out in the end. But stay!
by jjreicher on May 30, 2008 10:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Luc's parents
Wouldn’t Luc’s parents kill him if he didn’t get a degree? I remember him talking about them being more interested in his grades than his basketball accomplishments. Not that kids always do what their parents want, but it seems like that would go over pretty badly in the Moute household.
Also, I agree with comments above. He should expand his game to include the midrange J to help set up the rest of the offense including dribble penetration. I’m not worried about Howland letting him get away with sagging on D or rebounding.
by thekangarooster on May 30, 2008 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems something has changed...
Luc was adamant before that unless he was guaranteed first round, he was staying. He also seemed like he wouldn’t mind staying at UCLA but Katz’ story makes it seem like he really wants out. Now he is willing to accept second round, so something must have changed. I really like Luc and wish him the best, but of course I hope he comes back, improves his game and helps UCLA to banner #12.
PS – Thanks for posting the Gonzaga video – I never get tired of seeing that! GO BRUINS!!!
by uclafan11 on May 30, 2008 1:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what's changed?
perhaps he is looking at the front line next year and considering where he will fit in and how much playing time he may or may not get?
by magisterludi on May 30, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rebounding
Do the numbers really tell the story in his case? To me, they exaggerate it a bit…
Luc’s freshman year, not only did he play almost exclusively at the 4, he competed with Hollins, Mata (in less minutes than the following year), Aboya, and Fey (for the few minutes he played). The following year, he had to compete with Mata and Aboya playing more minutes, and IIRC he had to play most of his minutes at the 3 because of Shipp’s injury. This past season, not only did he have to deal with injuries, but he also had to play quite a bit of 3 and compete with Love, Mata, and Aboya for rebounds.
So, in the past two years, he’s consistently played further from the basket (and he’s on record as saying he’s much more comfortable at the 4 – which I think is evident based on his play there as a freshman) and rebound against tougher competition, all while suffering from quite a few injuries.
With all of that said, there were times this year when I was frustrated with Luc’s decision making and lack of rebounding. Even still, I think looking at the numbers alone doesn’t paint an accurate picture. If Luc decides to come back and play at the 4, I fully expect a great year from him and I’m not at all worried about the statistical trend. If he can hit an open jumper, that’s a plus. I have faith that he will continue to be our glue on defense and pound the boards, regardless of whether or not he can hit a 15ft shot.
by cabz on May 30, 2008 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When Luc was a sophomore
Shipp wasn’t injured for any signifcant length of time.
by SuperBruinMan on May 30, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the prince
points appreciated. but are you assuming that Luc was not following BH’s advice and gameplan? as i recall, BH made several statements that Luc needed to work on his jumper and that he was working on his jumper. so, is it Luc who you are critical of here or BH’s use of Luc? just wondering.
by magisterludi on May 30, 2008 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Question
Is this the first time anyone’s ever heard of an underclassman looking for a SECOND ROUND guarantee? Doesn’t this seem like he’s setting the bar a little low for himself? IMO, if he were to come back to school in a weaker 09 draft, wouldn’t he be in the same situation barring injury even without noticeable improvement of his game?
by bruinhopeful on May 30, 2008 3:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have heard of that...
but not often, and not usually with a player like Luc who is not in a desperate financial situation. That is why it surprised me too and I wondered if there is some reason he wants out. Well, let’s keep our fingers crossed that he will be wearing blue and gold next year (and not for the Nuggets or Hornets)! :)
by uclafan11 on May 30, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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