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Dose of Reality III: More Thoughts

I wanted to follow up on Nestor’s posts re Dose of Reality.

Let me start with the obvious point. We have a huge ? at quarterback.

Now, I know that a great o-line could compensate for a ? at qb and aid a young or average qb by opening holes and providing time. But we don't have a great o-line.

The last quarter century of PAC 10 play has demonstrated that experienced, talented quarterbacks are the key to success. Whether it is Jason Gesser or Carson Palmer or Cade McNown or Ryan Leaf or whoever, it really helps to have that qb.

We just don't.

Cowan is injured.
Olson is injured, has been inconsistent when healthy and is now working with the fourth OC of his career.
Forcier is inexperienced.
Craft is inexperienced and a JC transfer who was a San Diego State level recruit.
Rashaan has a tiny bit of experience, but lacks something or he wouldn't have been fifth string before the injuries.
Crissman is a true freshman.

That's my theme for the off-season. No qb. That's not a knock on the guys we have, btw. All but Olson are just young -- any of those guys could become our qb of the future -- but probably won't just yet.

The intriguing player to me is Craft. Craft went to SDSU because his dad coached there. Maybe he is better than a WAC qb. Also, the son of a coach often has an advanced mentality.

And he has another year.

Our line isn't great enough to power a great running game that would make the qb less necessary. And we won't control the ball most likely, so our defense will be on the field a lot.

A long time ago, a [message board poster] wrote that the hiring of Dorrell would cost UCLA ten years of its football program I think he was figuring seven years of Dorrell and three years for the new coach to get his own guys in.

Guerrero shortened that span by only keeping Dorrell five years. Then the post-Dorrell recovery is likely shortened because (1) Neu kept Walker and Walker was a better coach than Dorrell so the defense doesn't need a total overhaul (2) Chow and (3) Neu is a recruiting mofo who will accelerate the talent rebuild. But this year is still part of the Dorrell hangover -- meaning that Dorrell cost us at least six years.

Unlike Howland, who suffered through one year then used freshman to bounce back in year two (along with some good Lavin leftovers like Dijon and Ryan Hollins and Bozeman), Neu can't rebound on the back of freshman because in football freshman won't contribute as easily.

Think about this:

Dorrell's last class had talent, but there were only 10 players in that class. Some of those guys will contribute this year as true sophs/redshirt freshman. The next most talented group are Neu's first recruiting class -- all true freshman, so who knows? Our senior/junior classes are very average, with some gems shining through. In football, where physicality is so important, this makes it very tough for us.

And our oline is very uncertain.

Did I mention we have no qb?

A point we also have to keep in mind is what Nestor wrote in his second post today.

Is the upcoming season really the first year of the Neuheisel regime or the last year of the Dorrell regime. I mean. Howland's losing record his first year is entirely on Lavin, right? They were all Lavin's players, weren't they?

I think the answer to that is that it is going to be a little of both. On one hand, we all expect to see progress, particularly on offense. On defense, we hope to see more of what we had under Walker the past two seasons, with hopefully even more great things as he enters his third season coaching the defense.

But no amount of improved coaching is going to be able to compensate for some legitimate holes on the roster. This is always touchy, because commenting on the roster and being open and honest sometimes means criticizing players and no one, I mean, no one, likes to do that.

I mean, I didn't really mean that we had no quarterback. I mean, we're inexperienced and beat up and we lack the obvious, stud junior or senior who represents the entire package. And history has shown us that quality junior and senior quarterbacks win in the Pac 10.

Yeah, I'm sure someone can come up with the name of a freshman or sophomore who has done well, but I'm trying to comment on the overwhelming trend, not the statistical outlier.

I think what I'm trying to say, is that there might only be so much Neuheisel and his coaching staff can do with the roster they have and the schedule they face. There are some very good players on the roster, but many of them are still young, freshman even. There are some holes, on the line, at linebacker and at quarterback, where we really have no idea who is going to play or how he is going to play.

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We may have a huge ? at quarterback

but at least we have some of the greatest quarterback coaches of college football on our side. I gotta say, we had some major quarterback issues last season and this season has got to be better than that.

by brand0n on Jun 13, 2008 5:37 AM PDT   0 recs

Craft

The only reason he went to SDSU was that his dad was the coach. It isn’t really fair to him to malign him as “only a WAC-level” recruit.

by Nars on Jun 13, 2008 7:40 AM PDT   0 recs

Craft ...

I actually noted that in my post, noting that Craft intrigued me.

Here is an article about Craft in the L.A. Times:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/ucla/la-sp-craft13-2008jun13,0,2382423.story

Craft is an interesting player for a lot of reasons.

Go Bruins

by Achilles on Jun 13, 2008 8:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

was about to make the same point, but saw that you mentioned it as well. Mt. SAC, for a community college, is a strong football program. i’m personally leaning towards him or Crissman getting the nod—might as well use this season to prep for the future and go through the growing pains with the new coach.

by deepdish on Jun 13, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good points

One very minor detail – SDSU is in the MWC, not WAC. But you got the point across.

by Tetelestai on Jun 13, 2008 8:48 AM PDT   0 recs

Alex Smith, John Beck, Max Hall, Kevin O'Connell...

All MWC QB’s that we probably would liked to have had at UCLA. Quite a few good QB’s come out of this conference.

by e59422 on Jun 13, 2008 8:54 AM PDT   0 recs

No doubt ...

my point was that we had a ? mark at quarterback and still feel that way. As above, Craft is a very interesting prospect. Son of a coach, threw for a lot of yards in JC, seems like he has those intangibles you want … and unlike Olson, he could be a two-year starter.

I like the “idea” of Craft, but I really have no idea how he’s going to perform in the Rose Bowl in front of 90,000 people and the Tennessee Vols staring across the line of scrimmage.

The meta-point being made here is that it is too difficult to be really optimistic, that predictions of 8 and 9 wins are (to me) outlandish because there are too many unknowns and some of the knowns aren’t that great.

Now, if the answer to one of the unknowns, one of the question marks is that Craft is a great quarterback, then we can upgrade the predictions.

Go Bruins

by Achilles on Jun 13, 2008 9:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

another point...

that is being overlooked (maybe by me i didnt read all three projections yet) is that DWALK hasn’t shown he can effectively stop the spread offense. I love the guy, but I got a feeling some of their losses are going to be BIG losses, i.e. Utah last year, Oregon the year before. But with that said, I think this year is going to be similar to Dorrell’s first year, in that we will be depending most of the time on our defense to win games.

by beeru on Jun 13, 2008 12:21 PM PDT   0 recs

i like craft at qb

I think you give the kid a shot. he needs to prove himself as a good qb in the pac-10 (which is obviously a lot different than jc) i think our best option would be him. hes got confidence too…. what else do you want? let’s just put him out their on Sept 5tth (or whenever the first game is) and let him prove or destroy himself, or show that hes avg. and give him time to improve. by the way anyone else excited about tony dye comin here?

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by hunter48 on Jun 13, 2008 1:48 PM PDT   0 recs

Let's not forget that we have a guy who can straighten out that ? into a !

We no longer have … you know, I can’t even remember his name … as OC. We have a pretty good QB tutor in Coach Chow. That’s a factor that could be huge this questionable or exclamatory year.

by Fox 71 on Jun 13, 2008 1:49 PM PDT   0 recs

Jay Norvell ...

I agree—having Chow (and Neu) is great when it comes to quarterback coaching.

How much they can do in one spring and one fall remains to be seen. We all are hoping for the best.

Go Bruins

by Achilles on Jun 13, 2008 2:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Great post

Very good point about Dorrell’s last class which only featured 10 recruits. The talent level in the recruiting classes kept going down in his first three years. His fourth year he only brought in 10 kids. So the talent level in this program really took a hit during the four year recruiting cycle under KD. This past year’s class was a good one, but it will take probably two years at least for these kids to make a substantial impact.

by bluestreet on Jun 13, 2008 2:52 PM PDT   0 recs

Recruiting Coordinator?

I thought that DeWayne Walker had been recruiting coordinator for the last 2 years, and would therefore share some responsibility for the class with 10 kids. However, this seems to be a mistake on my part. He is listed on the website as recruiting coordinator for LA and nationwide for defense.

This leads to a question- has there been a recruiting coordinator on staff since Bienemy left, or has it been left to the head coach, offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator to somehow share these responsibilities (a process which clearly did not work in the last regime) ?

by islandbruin on Jun 13, 2008 5:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Best Scenario

Ben Olson is going to have a good year. He is going to have better protection and better plays to run that respond to the defense because of Palcic and Chow respectively. He is NOT going to have a major injury and he gets to show off that great arm. Keven Craft is going to be utilized more frequently than most backup quarterbacks. He is going to respond well and show good ability to read defenses. Consequently he is going to be a very good quarterback next year. Maybe Chow can run a two quarterback system.

Bell is going to be healthy and along with Moline we are going to have a short yardage running game. Whether the line is good enough to spring Raymond Carter I don’t know. I hope Aundre Dean gets some playing time and people get to see what a great open field running back he is. He will be a GREAT running back in years to come. And at some point in time the Aundre Dean and Milton Knox combination is going to put up some yards.

The Bruins are going to play better as a team. I think we are going to get to see more players getting playing time – something you may get to do with better coaching. The Bruins are going to be fun to watch – a good football team – and a great football team in the making. I am satisfied with that.

by northbaybruin on Jun 14, 2008 12:29 PM PDT   0 recs

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