Breakdown of Neuheisel's Complete Record

by Year2 on Jun 14, 2008 6:44 PM PDT Comment 7 comments

Hey all. This site does a great job at covering UCLA and for someone like me who has never lived a day outside the eastern time zone, it's a window into UCLA's world.

Anyway, I've been doing some analysis of coaching records for some guys down on my side of the country. I know that Rick Neuheisel's record has been a subject of much debate, so I went ahead and plugged his numbers at both Colorado and Washington into my spreadsheet and let the formulas do the rest.

I mean only to provide stats; I'll let you all do the interpretation since y'all know the guy better than I do.

Here is Neuheisel's record broken down by site:

Site	Wins	Losses	Totals
Home	39	11	50
Away	23	16	39
Bowls	4	3	7
Totals	66	30	96

And here is his record broken down by the tier of his opponents. The tier for a team in a particular year was determined exclusively by that team's final, post-bowl winning percentage.

First tier is .750-1.000, second is .500-.749, third tier is .250-.499, and fourth tier is .249 and below. For example, USC in 2001 counts as second tier because it finished 6-6, while USC in 2002 counts as first tier because it finished 11-2.

Tier	Wins	Losses	Pct.	Avg. Scored	Avg. Allowed
First	12	13	.480	25	27
Second	20	14	.588	28	25
Third	26	3	.897	33	20
Fourth	8	0	1.000	42	22

If you want comparison points, these same tables for Tommy Bowden and Bob Stoops are here, and for Tommy Tuberville they're here. All three of those guys have been at their current schools 9 years and Neuheisel has 8 years total, so the sample size is roughly the same.

On numbers alone, he's well behind Stoops, about even with Tuberville, and bit ahead of Bowden. He is also well behind what Tuberville has been in the 2004-07 seasons though, as Tuberville was mediocre from 1999-03 but has been on par with Stoops since '04.

Thanks for reading, and if you're up for more hoops, we Gators are ready anytime.

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Very interesting

Thanks for taking the time to run those numbers. I’m not exactly sure what to make of them, but they’re certainly interesting. According to legend, we had an invisible coach here for five years. I can’t exactly remember his name, but he went by “Coach Toledo’s Successor.” Anyway, we looked at that guy’s numbers sort of the way you have them set up, and it was pretty pathetic. Let’s hope that Coach Neuheisel does for us what Coach meyer did for you guys.

Once you’ve been around for a while, you’ll see that this is a very number-oriented, fact-oriented place when it comes to critiques of things. Of course, it’s hard to put numbers on the place across town, because they keep their payroll numbers reasonably confidential. We’re only getting a peek into OJ2 and bu$hgate. That’s why we continually point out that you can’t spell “trOJan” without OJ, and you can’t spell “SCandal” or “SCum” without SC. (We try to find readers to translate sentences like fhat for the occasional trOJan who happens to drop in.)

Anyway, welcome to the BN. We took our lumps from a certain basketball team two years in a row, and hope to return the favor soon.

by Fox 71 on Jun 14, 2008 6:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice analysis

But I’m not sure if those numbers are quite comparable. We like to think that UCLA will be a bit more attractive than either Boulder and Seattle (unless you hate sunshine and like drizzle – you Gators know what I’m talking about – though maybe Norman is not the childhood dream of all kids either). But I think that CRN is going to be able to draw better talent than he had at either CU or UW, esp with Coach Chow running the offense, and I think that will translate to more success than he had at either of those two schools.

Oh, and we aren’t done with you in BBall, either. Looking forward to next time!

greg in denver

by gbruin on Jun 14, 2008 11:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeap

Pretty good analysis. However, we can’t take those number to draw definitive comparison between RN and Tubberville, especially with Tubberville’s number at Auburn where he presumably had better talent to work with than what he had at Ole Miss. At UCLA RN will have access to better talent pool than what he had UDub and at CU. So with that factored and also the idea that he is more experienced from his previous jobs, I think we can be optimistic about what he will do in the long run here at UCLA.

Good research though.

by Nestor on Jun 15, 2008 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

A good recruiter can get top talent to go anywhere. I mean, have you even been to Tallahassee?

The city feels old, there’s nothing to do, and it’s brutally hot and humid in the summer and half the fall. There was an article in the FSU student newspaper a couple years ago about the hot new place for students to meet prospective dates. It wasn’t some new club or bar, it was a new grocery store. Unless you enjoy watching state legislature sessions, the best thing to do in Tallahassee is leave it and go to the beach.

If Bobby Bowden can get top players to go to Tallahassee consistently, I have to believe he could get them to go to Boulder or Seattle, which are a lot nicer in comparison with a lot more to do. Some places like Starkville, MS or Mahattan, KS are just so remote that good players might stay away, but not a city like Boulder or Seattle.

by Year2 on Jun 15, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You are right

Sure a good recruiter can bring in talent anywhere even at a place like Tallhassee (I have visited few places in Florida but Tallahassee. I have hung out in both Boulder and Seattle and yeah I get why both of those places are more attractive than random place in Florida).

However, that is just part of the story. While a good recruiter can get talent anywhere, his job becomes easier at a place like UCLA.

A good recruiter can become a monster especially if he is recruiting out of a place like UCLA. The natural advantages UCLA allowed a mediocre coach like Dorrell with no personality and charisma to haul in the best recruiting class in Pac-10 last year. We fully expect Neuheisel to use his charm, personality, and more importantly his passion for all things UCLA to to amplify our recruiting in coming years. Neuheisel recruited pretty well at CU and at UDub. We have no doubt he is going to kick it up notch here.

So I am not exactly sure if you are trying to disagree with us on something (where there is really not a lot of disagreement). I appreciate the analysis you presented above. It gives us some data points to keep in mind, when we judge the big picture with CRN after at least his first four years at UCLA.

by Nestor on Jun 15, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Year 2

If never living a day outside the eastern time zone means you’ve never even vacationed on the west coast, swing through Westwood sometime and you’ll see what Nestor is talking about.

You’re absolutely right that a good recruiter can get top talent anywhere. We’re thinking that a good recruiter in a great place will get his pick of the top talent. Look what our basketball coach has done.

greg in denver

by gbruin on Jun 15, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve not lived away from the eastern seaboard, but I’ve done some traveling. I can’t say I’ve been to Westwood, but I’ve been to some places that absolutely sell themselves. I get what you’re saying there. But it also takes more than great weather to win titles, otherwise (based on everything I’ve heard about the city) San Diego State would be a juggernaut.

Another advantage of being out West is that there’s only one traditional title contender west of the Plains: USC. Look at the list; you’ve got BYU with one title in ‘84 and Colorado and Washington each with a split title in ‘90 and ‘91. After that, you have to go back to UCLA’s split title in 1954 to find a team in the Rockies or farther west with a national title other than USC.

If UCLA can establish and sustain a winning tradition over the next decade or two the way that Florida, FSU, and Miami did in the ‘80s and ‘90s, then it will be able to have a shopping list rather than a wish list when it comes to recruits from the rich talent pool of California the way that USC does.

by Year2 on Jun 15, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs