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It looks like the folks at Rivals.com have joined the BN conspiracy to tramp down expectations for next season. Rivals.com is telling UCLA football fans to not expect "a quick turnaround" (emphasis added throughout)

The schedule doesn't look to be set up for a quick turnaround. The non-conference portion includes Tennessee in the opener and also games against BYU and Fresno State. The trip to Provo will be the third meeting with BYU in a little more than a year; the Cougars and Bruins split two games last season. UCLA plays host to USC, but the Bruins face the rest of the Pac-10's top teams – Oregon, California and Arizona State – on the road.

That was from a detailed preseason preview of UCLA football, in which rivals.com ranked UCLA as no. 43 team in the nation. Here are snippets from the write up on our offense:

STRONGEST AREA: Despite the departure of Chris Markey, UCLA has a strong stable of tailbacks. But there is little experience beyond Bell. Redshirt freshman Raymond Carter is explosive – or was, anyway; he is returning from a major knee injury. If Bell and Carter struggle with their recoveries, four-star true freshman Aundre Dean is waiting in the wings.

BIGGEST PROBLEM: New line coach Bob Palcic – who spent the past two seasons as line coach at Wisconsin – has his work cut out for him. Junior tackle Micah Kia is the only sure thing on the line. The new center is senior Micah Reed, a former walk-on who started eight games at guard last season. The rest of the first-stringers are unproven: sophomore tackle Sean Sheller, sophomore guard Darius Savage and senior guard Scott Glicksberg, a converted tight end.

It’s interesting that they are identifying the TBs as the strength of our offense even though it features one injured returning starter, one injured returning (talented) RS frosh who has never played in a game, and an incoming true freshman. I probably would have identified WR corps as the strength of our offense where we may have most experience with players Everett, Austin, Domnique Johnson, and Gavin Kethcum. And with the incoming freshman Nelson Rosario, this could be a productive bunch.

Also the preview didn’t factor in Nick Crissman and Kevin Prince in the quarterback equation (Kevin Prince BTW will now officially enroll this fall since UCLA just made sure that a scholarship will be available for him).

In any event, Rivals.com game UCLA a "C" for it’s offense. And I don’t have much disagreement with that assessment at this point of time. As for the defense:

STRONGEST AREA: UCLA should have one of the best defensive tackle tandems in the Pac-10 and could have one of the best in the nation. Senior Brigham Harwell returns after missing all but two games last season with a knee injury. He had a combined 18 tackles for loss in 2005 and '06. He's stocky at 6-2 and 292, but has a great first step. At the other tackle spot, Brian Price is a rising star after earning Rivals.com second-team Freshman All-American honors last season. There is good depth, as well, with senior Chase Moline and juniors Jess Ward and Jerzy Siewierski.

BIGGEST PROBLEM: Junior cornerback Alterraun Verner (four interceptions last season) is the only returning starter in the secondary. Two seniors and a junior will enter fall camp as the other starters – Lockett at strong safety, senior Michael Norris at corner and junior Aaron Ware at free safety. However, a talented group of redshirt and true freshmen are lurking. Redshirts Glenn Love and Courtney Viney are in the hunt at free safety and cornerback, respectively. The Bruins also signed four four-star defensive backs.

I would add that for defense the depth at LB will be a key issue for us. Kids like Akeem Ayers and Steve Sloan will have to step up in a big way this coming season. May be a kid like Donovan Carter or Patrick Larimore will be able to come in and contribute right away. But I am not going hold my breath over that prospect.

The defense got a "B+" in Rival’s assessment. I would have given the Special Team’s higher than "B" though. As they wrote we already have "one of the top kicking tandems" in the Pac-10 and don’t forget CRN brought in experienced special teams coach Frank Gansz, Jr, who will hopefully make that unit better than previous years.

Overall, here is their overall outlook for our season:

Neuheisel's presence should heat up the UCLA-USC rivalry – on the field, on the recruiting trail and in the media. His first season won't be easy, though. The schedule is daunting and the offense is unsettled. Injuries at quarterback are becoming as much a tradition as the Bruins' powder-blue jerseys. While a Pac-10 title is at least a couple of seasons away, UCLA has the overall talent and coaching staff to surprise this season.

In other words, while we shouldn’t expect any miracles, there are enough reasons to be optimistic about a good season setting the foundation for a championship in couple of years.

Is that any different than what we have been discussing in recent weeks?

Speaking of our recent discussions, the LA Times blogger for "What’s Bruin" attempted to put together a rundown of recent discussion with the following money quote:

Bruins Nation properly engages SMQ with a post called Bring Out the Tin Foil Hats

Note that blogger – Adam Rose – is a graduate of Southern California.

Interesting. Isn’t? The kind of perspective you get from those (even from Trojans) who are not circling the wagons (to advance conventional wisdom within certain parts of the internets).

GO BRUINS.

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Thanks, Karl Dorrell

For the state of UCLA football. You said you had brought UCLA football back to the forefront, and that you felt you were underpaid.

What a load of crap.

by bluegold on Jun 20, 2008 6:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Bottom Line - It's Going to Be a Tough Year

I think there are reasons to be optimistic for the future. Recruiting has improved and will continue to improve, and most importantly, there is a sense of confidence and hope which is an extremely and underappreciated step toward success.

Next year, however, at least in my opinion, will be dismal to the objective observer. I say objective observer because some regular BNers (including myself) will see positive steps during the season which will excite us even more for the future, and some will consider a .500 season (or close thereto) a significant achievment. But for outsiders to the program, it will simply be mediocrity (again) this year, or worse, crap.

We can talk about what our “strenghths” are on offense till the cows come home, but (in my opinion) our strengths on offense are only relative to our offense. On an objective national scale, I think our offense is a dismal, underachieving, and injured unit. QB’s have potential, but no one has stepped up. My feeling is that our quarterback for the last 5 years has been the guy who has screwed up least, as opposed to the guy who has stepped up. BO is the number one offender. And when it comes to play on the field, they are underwhelming to say the least. I like Cowan’s heart, and perhaps some of the young kids will step up-but as of now, QB is mediocre. Tail Backs they are ok-that’s it. Bell had some decent games when he wasn’t injured, but I was never overwhelmed with his talent. Again, maybe some young kids will step up-but who knows. Offensive Line- whatever. Receivers—they are ok, but that’s it. Again, we could say they are a strength on offense, but that is relative. I just don’t think they are that good, and or, they haven’t met their potential.

I think we seriously lack talent on offense. Some will say and have said that KD simply wasted the talent-and that is possible. So in one respect there can be hope for our offense next year-perhaps KD did waste talent, and if there was talent there, perhaps CRN can tap into it. I personally think there isn’t much talent (also thanks to KD), but here’s to hoping I’m wrong on that.

I don’t think we are going to go .500, but I’d be happy with .500. We just aren’t that good. And we weren’t that good last year. The expectation / predictions for last year were so nuanced as to be misunderstood by outsiders. Some expected 10 wins from the 5th year coach, but predicted less. Well, all that was confusing to those who don’t follow along closely (for all I know, I didn’t even restate it right). Anyway, I think its fair to say that I expect us to be bad, and I predict us to be mediocre this year. Either way, a tough year for a school which expects more out of its athletes.

Two years from now, we will know a lot about where we are.

by rfirpo on Jun 20, 2008 8:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Follow the Money

Perhaps the most reliable indication of a team’s quality comes from those who put their money, not their rhetoric, on the line. The wrap has an article, this morning, discussing the odds makers’ predictions on whether a team will finish number one. Two betting sites have us a 75-1 and 66-1; a third has us at 35-1.

However, I don’t think this is the right “predictor”. I’ve looked all over on-line to try to find the spread on our games, but it appears none is up.

I’m really curious. Are there places where you can bet games this far in advance? If so, I’m wondering how they see us doing on our entire schedule. I’d be surprised if, today, anyone would see us winning more games than we lose.

Bettors out there? Point me in the right direction and I’ll follow up.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jun 20, 2008 9:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Agree for the most part

Except that they give coaching a “B”. I don’t think a staff with Chow, Walker and Palcic should be given a “B”. I know we have yet to see how CRN will do, but his record is a B+ at least, don’t you think? Anyway, just nitpicking.

As for me, I keep going through the schedule, and I don’t see us winning more than 5 games. With CTS around, I wouldn’t have seen us winning more than 3.

by tasser10 on Jun 20, 2008 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Coaching staff rating

If the current coaching staff is a B, what does that make the rotating staff we had the past 5 years? At the best, using whatever criteria someone employed to come up with a B, the past administration had to, at best, been a D at all times, and when we had a decent year with DO a senior, maybe a D+ coaching staff. So, the prediction of 10 wins this past year with a rotating coaching staff scheme makes that 2007 preseason hype very unreasonable.
Bill

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by Mensgym on Jun 20, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

The difference between "expectations" and "predictions"

The difference between “expectations” and “predictions” is where I think BN, SMQ, and GG failed to see eye-to-eye in the recent spat/blog war.

Yes, we would have expected KD to have at least a 8 or 9 win season this year. Why? It’s would have been his sixth season, with his system and his recruits. By CRN’s sixth season, I expect him to put out a team that wins at the minimum, 8 games.

As for this season, if KD stayed in charge, while I would expect at least 8 wins, I would predict maybe 4 at the most (taking into account how incredibly stupid the Doofus was on the sidelines). There’s a big difference between one’s expectations of a program and what one predicts will actually happen.

So, it’s perfectly rational, to expect and predict CRN will only pull out 6 wins this season, given it’s his first year in the program, the first year of his system, with recruits that aren’t his guys. I’m not saying the guy is a first year coach or should be seen as such, but even great coaches take some time to implement their system and bring in their guys. Did Urban Meyer win it all in his first season at Florida? Did Jim Tressel win it all his first year at Ohio State? No matter how good a coach is, it takes some time to deal with the transition.

So I do not understand how people got so worked up over “taking us to task” for “lowering the bar” to give CRN a “honeymoon.”

What I don’t get, and which hasn’t really been addressed (or perhaps I’ve missed it), is that presumably KD believed he’d be coaching here for a long time, that he wanted to be here for a long time, and succeed at his alma mater. So, I don’t understand what the hell he was doing re: recruiting. I mean, the guy assumed he’d be back this season, so looking at the gaping holes in our roster (QB, O-Line, Secondary), one would assume he would have planned for future seasons (meaning this one) a few seasons ago and recruited accordingly.

But, seeing how much of a Doofus KD was on the sideline, I figure his ability to plan ahead and run a program was about as effective as his West Coast “offense.”

by norcald503 on Jun 20, 2008 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Well Written article David Fox

The Rivals article was insightful. I go back to my critereon. I am looking for how well the Bruins play – win or lose. As to pure coaching how much better chance to judge the quality than when a team is in desperate need of good coaching. But I start by admiring the coaching staff who accepted new positions or stayed on despite better offers. They were smart enough to know that it was going to be a tough year. I mean what else does Norm Chow have to prove to anyone. Our coaches love football. And it will show.

by northbaybruin on Jun 20, 2008 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Looks like we are going all out for our opener

From the official site

Fans attending the Sept. 1 football opener versus Tennessee will be treated to a fireworks show following the contest.

by lil eg not cs on Jun 20, 2008 10:39 PM PDT reply actions  

On the Newstands Now

Althons and Sporting News are out with their preseason college reviews. Sporting News also has a great article on Norm Chow -Althons on RN.. They are both great reads. Very in-depth evaluations of all conferences. Must buys.

In my opinion they are very positive on the Bruins based on the suppostion that injuries do not recur and new ones are not as prevalent as last year. And also because of the quality of the coaching staff. One matter, of what seems to be consensus among Sports Journalists, is that some of the true Freshman are going to get playing time. Considering the high talent level I think that is great.

Another thing that I think is great is that Forcier, Crissman and Prince get the knowledge and experience of Norm Chow and probably Brehauht (SP?.) And maybe we are on our way to being known as QuarterbackU.Ah ! Fantasy Football

I think the Bruin’s need to play inspired. They need to prove all the pundit’s comments wrong that USC has the talent in the Pac Ten. Hey we got some good talent !

Rebuilding year notwithstanding, the Bruins are going to be a great football team to watch – if, win or lose, they can always be a threat ! They have the talent.

Go Bruins !

by northbaybruin on Jun 22, 2008 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

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