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The Weight Of Our (Collective) Words

There were two outstanding posts last week on BN providing some key suggestions for Dan Guerrero and his staff at Morgan Center. First, ryebreadaz penned a letter to DG appealing for a sense of urgency with regards to the renovation of Jackie Robinson stadium. Over the weekend Class of 66 followed up rye’s efforts with a powerful post on what UCLA needs to do to hold on to Coach Howland.

Now how much influence do these posts have in the discussion concerning UCLA athletics?

From gbruin’s comment in response to 66’s post re. keeping Howland:

As an alum and a fan, I figure that I carry no real weight in the athletic dept. I donate what I can to the school, but It’s the big-time athletic donors, corporate sponsorships, TV contracts, marketing, lines on recruits (within the rules, $c!!!) and many other aspects that drive the workings in the Morgan Center.

Well we have received some information that might shed some light on whether or not arguments presented by passionate alums and fans such as Class of 66, gbruin, ryebreadaz and others who are fully engaged online can have an impact on the UCLA brass.

Recently the folks at an organization called the Sports Media Challenge conducted a survey concerning the impact of  Fan-Generated Media (blogs, fan forums, online social networks, etc, hereinafter "FGM") on college athletic departments.  In May of 2008 SMC did a survey in conjunction with the College Sports Information Directors of America (CoSIDA) to determine the use and understanding of FGM by college and university athletic departments. The results were interesting. This is from the executive summary the folks at SMC emailed to us (emphasis added):

Several questions were asked with regards to the significance of FGM to the everyday activities of athletic departments.  Responses indicate that schools with larger student bodies have a greater FGM presence; therefore FGM plays a larger and more formal role in their athletic departments. When asked "Has FGM ever influenced the decision making process of their athletic departments," participants affirmed the idea that schools with more students and a large alumni base are more affected by FGM than schools with fewer students. Professionals from larger schools were more likely to be influenced by FGM. 42% of professionals who deny having FGM influence their any decision they made came from schools with less than 5,000 students.  

In other words school like UCLA with large student body, massive number of alumni dispersed around the country, and high profile athletic programs are very likely paying attention to the thoughts 66 and rye are putting up on BN. More from that survey indicating whether athletic donors at a school like UCLA are paying attention to the discussion on FGM:

Division I professionals believe much more than other Divisions that their athletic donors view FGM. Over 66% of participants that believe it is "very likely" that their donors view FGM came from Division I programs and 21% came from Division I Football Bowl Subdivision schools. The largest percentage of professionals that believe it’s "not at all likely" that their donors view FGM came from Division III schools.

The survey also found that 77.9 % of the college athletics media professionals are viewing the content on coming up via FGM "multiple times per week," and that they "also believe their athletic department donors are more likely to view FGM and in turn allow this media type to influence their decisions more readily than smaller institutions would."  Again note SMC worked with CoSIDA to survey 324 college athletic professionals ranging in professional title from sports information directors to head coaches. So they put together a pretty decent sample size to work with.

In case of UCLA, I think it is pretty clear that the officials at Morgan Center are paying close attention what we – UCLA alums, students, fans - are discussing here on BN and other online communities listed on our blogroll. I am sure we can come up with numerous examples on how we had built our case for a new direction for our football program. However, the example that stands out to me is how the firestorm on BN and other UCLA communities in response to an ill advised Dorrell comment to Kurt Streeter forced him to back down. I am only pointing out that specific story as an example of how the arguments, emotions, and viewpoints UCLA alums/students expressed through online venues such as BN had a direct impact on our athletic department where Karl Dorrell had to issue a clarification.

Also, another individual who recognized the influence the voices of fans is Stewart Mandel, the college football columnist for SI.com. Stewart last year published a book entitled, "Bowls, Polls & Tattered Souls." (Pretty good book. Our SBN colleague blogging for the Huskers at Corn Nation  did a review which you can check out by going here). Stewart discussed the influence of college fans (specifically using BruinsNation in few of his examples) in the 4th chapter entitled, "FireMyCoach.com". From that chapter (page 91):

[T]he voice of the fan has never been more influential in the firing and hiring of coaches than it is in the twenty-first century – and for that, the embattled subjects can thank Al Gore.

Stewart of course is referring to the internet (and no need to engage in a flame war in the comment section here about whether or not Gore made that infamous remark … you can use the Google to get the real story and discuss it an appropriate forum if you wish). Anyway, Stewart (who eventually came around to our viewpoint on Dorrell) snarked up the chapter arguing how unreasonable and delusional college football fans put a lot of pressure on their respective athletic departments. However, despite Stewart’s cynicism he did label the trend as a positive change (page 109):

Without question, however, the positive change to emerge from this trend has been the newfound weight of the voice of the people. In a sport where the fans often find themselves ignored, if not patronized, by the powers-that-be – they’ve only been asking for a playoff for the past twenty years no, and they sure do appreciate being bumped out of their 40-yard-line seats to make way for more luxury boxes – there’s no denying their increased influence in many school’s coaching decisions.

So that takes me back to the very comment from gbruin I highlighted above. Now to gbruin’s credit even though he started with saying that his voice "carry no real weight" he recognized the power of our collective words in these following passages:

[W]e all saw what DD and BN and others were able to do when a coaching change was needed. [...]

I don’t know what’s in CBH’s head or heart, whether it’s the NBA, another school, a bigger paycheck, or if it is leading UCLA Basketball for the next 20+ years. Of course, I hope it is the latter. And so far, everything he has said and done since coming to Westwood appears to support the latter, as well.

So I will be sure, by whatever means I can, that CBH knows that this Bruin is very proud of what the program has accomplished, both on the floor and off.

So gbruin and others, you get the picture. All of our words here on BN together when expressed as one community do matter. And I am confident in the coming years we will use our energy not to just drive towards a positive change, but also use it maintain everything that is special wrt to UCLA.

So … keep it going. Keep the posts coming. The Morgan Center may not be engaging directly here on BN (and frankly they don’t need to and we could care less about that access), but is clear they are listening to our thoughts and arguments on issues related to best interest of UCLA athletics.

GO BRUINS.

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With my newfound power,

I’m going for seats on the 50 at the Rose Bowl and behind the Bruins bench on Nell & John Wooden Court.

Seriously, though, I have felt sure that, somehow, some of our words were filtering through. In the case of BN, I felt extra confident, because the thoughts were well reasoned, to go along with the passion.

As with government, if we don’t make our thoughts and passions known, we have no influence whatsoever. So, Dan, about those basketball tickets…

by Bruinut on Jun 30, 2008 8:38 AM PDT   0 recs

Howland?

Would someone please tell me why we are reading articles about the need for CBH to be paid more moeny so that he does not leave for the NBA? Isnt he under a long term contract that was signed 10/07 doesnt end until 2014 at $1.5 mm per year increasing to $2 mm per year? Are NBA teams making him offers now? OR is BN just filling the quota for weekly blog posts on UCLA athletics to keep its credentials? Having not seen anything resembling a rumor up until this point in time, these posts seem more than a bit sensationalistic. Or are the BN staff holding onto some red hot piece of info that it is not sharing with its readership? Please clarify.

by Deepcut on Jun 30, 2008 9:40 AM PDT   0 recs

The story about Howland ...

was authored by a reader / regular contributor … not by one of the BN staff.

Go Bruins

by Achilles on Jun 30, 2008 9:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sensationalism?

In no way was 66’s post sensationalist. Has there been a rumor of Howland leaving for another job? No. Did he just sign a contract extension? Yes. However, that does not mean the prospect of Howland leaving is unfounded. If you read 66’s post (which is unlikely considering your comments) you’d see that he acknowledges the fact that Howland has declared UCLA his “dream job” with no intention of leaving. You would have also seen that people in the world of athletics and academia have left their “dream job” before and often do so quickly. Instead of waiting for the shock and awe of another person leaving his “dream job” 66 brought up the possiblity of it happening and acknowledged that there is no guarantee Howland will stay at UCLA forever.

The extended contract is very nice and well deserved, but a contract extension does not mean Howland is here until that contract ends. Don’t forget Rick Pitino signed a contract extension with Louisville only months before leaving for the Celtics.

There are a lot of powerful points in 66’s post, including the difference in UCLA’s public university to the private sector of the NBA. He also raises the point that once we believe Howland is here for good is when he is most likely to leave. At that point we begin to take him for granted and he begins to work for us instead of with us.

At no point does 66 say Howland’s departure is imminent. He states that in the future he may depart and to believe otherwise is naive. In the meantime, we need to do everything in our power to work with Howland to keep him happy and give him every advantage possible.

by ryebreadraz on Jun 30, 2008 10:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks Rye

You did a better job explaining my post than I did writing it.

Best,

sjh

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jun 30, 2008 1:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It Is A Simple Fact

We are smart enough to know that we have an absolutely exceptional and gifted coach, and it is only natural that others, including GM’s and owners of NBA franchises, have also noticed this. Those folks have a lot more money to spread around for coaches than UCLA does. Also, CBH is not earning nearly as much money as other-far less talented, in my opinion-NCAA Division 1 coaches.

It is therefore natural and wise that we are concerned about the possibility of losing this coach.

Now, please go back and read 66’s post. Remember that Roy Williams was “never going to leave Kansas” for the NC job…and then he did. Remember what Bob Huggins did to Kansas State. It happens all the time, and we need to follow 66’s advice and appreciate Coach Howland and everything he does for our Bruins.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Jun 30, 2008 2:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Answers

Would someone please tell me why we are reading articles about the need for CBH to be paid more moeny so that he does not leave for the NBA?

What goes up on BN are not “articles.” This is a blog, not a newspaper or a magazine. Frontpagers (who BTW are not “staff” since no one is on a payroll or doing this for a buck) and community members are simply putting up their own posts.

Isnt he under a long term contract that was signed 10/07 doesnt end until 2014 at $1.5 mm per year increasing to $2 mm per year? Are NBA teams making him offers now? OR is BN just filling the quota for weekly blog posts on UCLA athletics to keep its credentials?

Yes, Howland is under a long term K. However, given his incredible success at UCLA (and at other programs) he is a hot commodity, and it is not unreasonable to speculate that either the NBA or other college programs may think about pursuing him. (In fact it has already been hinted at by Simers in the LAT that he was being pursued by a big time basketball program (most likely Kentucky) two off seasons ago.

OR is BN just filling the quota for weekly blog posts on UCLA athletics to keep its credentials?

Uhm, we don’t have any credentials or press pass. We are certainly not angling for one either. That’s one of the funnier comment I have read about BN on the internets.

Having not seen anything resembling a rumor up until this point in time, these posts seem more than a bit sensationalistic. Or are the BN staff holding onto some red hot piece of info that it is not sharing with its readership? Please clarify.

No one is spreading rumor. Folks are just having well reasoned and sensible discussions based on the information we have and engaging in a forward thinking process.

And again, BN doesn’t have a “staff.” You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about this blog and the reasons behind why we blog.

by Nestor on Jun 30, 2008 5:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Does anybody know

If DG responds to emails? I was really hoping he’d respond to me, but so far I haven’t gotten anything. Coaches, players, staff and fans have all been told different things about the future of Jackie Robinson Stadium so I was curious to see what story I would get.

by ryebreadraz on Jun 30, 2008 10:18 AM PDT   0 recs

Love the blog, read all of 66’s post. However, since responsibility in media has come up numerous times here, and BN acknowledges that its opinion has sway over institutions much less casual readers, it would be a good idea for naive readers like me to know if what I am reading is a well reasoned intellectual exercise or not. Please have the theoretical debate about losing the linchpin in the resurection of our men’s basketball program. It seems like as good a topic as any during summer break. Just let me in on the reason why I am reading it here. THere is a big difference between reading a article about whether Kevin Love & Co. is going into the draft or not (which was well covered in the press), and reading about CBH leaving for the NBA (not in the news at all). So when I read it here, it seems like someone is trying to break a story without revealing any sources. Since newspapers have fact checkers and editorial writers who express opinions as such, you get to know the difference in the non-blogo-sphere. But the 66 post was adamantly written but ambiguous in its intent.

Bloggers do get media credentials to professional sports; the UCLA policy is unknown to me. You should get a UCLA press pass as far as I am concerned.

by Deepcut on Jul 1, 2008 11:41 AM PDT   0 recs

You still haven't read what I wrote, have you?

This was not a post about “CBH leaving for the NBA”. In fact, it made clear it wasn’t. It was a post about my fears, as an academic, that because CBH has said that this is his dream job, we will be complacent and take him for granted. I wrote to counsel against complacency.

In your response you wrote “isnt he under a long term contract that was signed 10/07 doesnt end until 2014 at $1.5 mm per year increasing to $2 mm per year? ” I take it you felt there was no reason to do more for CBH for, after all, we had him tied up until 2014.

I guess DG and UCLA were not as complacent as you seemed to be. Today, they announced a new and improved contract. Not something they had to do, but something that was wise to do.

In doing so, they manifested exactly the attitude I had hoped they would. The one you didn’t think necessary.

I have no problem with people critiquing my writing here. I do have a problem when people mis-state the premise.

You say you are naive. You know yourself best. I just don’t think you took the time to read it carefully.

And, with that, I’m done responding to you on this issue.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jul 1, 2008 1:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No problem

”...without revealing any sources.”
”...ambiguous in its intent.”
“Just let me in on the reason why I am reading it here.”

OK, everybody. From now on, all posts and comments should be accompanied by a bibliography of all sources, preferably at least two references for each statement, and an essay on the real reasons that you wrote what you wrote.

The third one is tricky, because it involves what’s in readers’ minds when they read what you wrote. Maybe a treatise on the totality of the Internet, and an exposition of the particular niche that BN occupies will suffice.

I don’t see why we all can’t do this. For every post and every comment.

by Bruinut on Jul 1, 2008 2:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

New contract after all!

Well, there you have it. These issues dont just pop out of nowhere, do they? Was 66 on to something all along (one half of my premise)?

From my perspective, it would be extremely unusual to spontaneously and unilaterally renegotiate a contract that was executed 9 months ago for seven years. So there had to be exogenous factors at play: more lucrative offers.

Also, a 9 month old contract upgrade is generally not considered to be taking someone for granted, unless it is way off market, in which case Howland would already be at UK or coaching the Bulls. Lets give DG some credit.

As a Howland-Bruin fan, there is little cost to me personally if the school pays up, unless the ticket prices at Pauley are raised! So by all means, pay Ben the Benjamins.

by Deepcut on Jul 1, 2008 5:31 PM PDT   0 recs

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