Davis to Clippers
by bucknellbruin on Jul 1, 2008 5:52 PM PDT
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PrintESPN.com's Marc Stein is reporting that Baron Davis has agreed to a 5 year deal with the Clippers.
NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein that the guard reached a verbal agreement with the Clippers on Tuesday night and will sign a new multiyear contract with Los Angeles after the leaguewide moratorium on signings and trades is lifted July 9.
Davis was in line to make $17.8 million in the last year of his deal with the Warriors, but after telling the team that he wanted to stay, opted out at the last minute.
Sources told ESPN.com that Davis, 29, will receive a five-year deal worth an estimated $65 million.
It's interesting that Baron said he wanted to stay with GS, but agreed w/ the Clipps so quickly. Also interesting that his new deal with pay him about $4.5 million a year less than the one he opted out of. Anyway, nice to have a Bruin back in LA. Good luck Baron.
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Here's going to be the amazing part
if the Clippers do sign Brand then they will be slightly over the cap and Donald Sterling will pay the luxury tax. Yes, he will make the commitment to pay money in hopes of fielding a winning team. I never thought I’d see the day this happened.
Hell will freeze over
When Sterling pays a cent in luxury tax. The man who made a mockery of the term “spend money to make money” is about to join the rest of the NBA owners? Blasphemy.
uhhh... reportedly, it's a "verbal" agreement
and we know what that means.
Baron opted out of his final contract year and just converted $17+MM into a $65+MM multi-year contract.
Now he goes back to the Warriors. Who did not want him past this upcoming year when his ridiculous $17+MM salary & weight issues go away. Then Gilbert Arenas plays the W’s against the W’s. And Baron changes his mind. And Brand signs with the Heat to play with Beasley. And greed defeats greed. Ego jousts super-ego. The madness is too much.
Meanwhile, as the post-Celtic years come to a calm, the NBA finally settles into the Fourth Age.
And nothing was accomplished.
Yeah baby!
The Clipper Davis jersey is going to look so good next to the Bruin Davis jersey and of course the classic Crossroads Davis jersey.
Welcome home, BD.
And no, the Clips are not going over the cap and aren’t paying the luxury tax. They can’t make the deal like that.
Some of us Bruin Ben Ball afficianados are not, well, let’s say, supporters of Kobe and his hardcourt and offcourt ethics. I know it’s a shocker, but not every Bruin fan is a Laker fan.
Elton Brand, however, who is reducing his salary in order to allow the Clips to sign BD, is the kind of man and player that Wooden and Howland can appreciate. He wants to win.
This is going to be fun.
Its all good
If the Clippers make the NBA finals with B Diddy, we will have Clippers open thread here on BN. :-)
Why can't they make a deal like that
At least to my knowledge, the Clippers have slightly under $10 mil in cap space with Maggette leaving. Baron is signing for roughly $13 million a year, leaving them a little over $3 million over the cap. Brand is reportedly going to take a $3-4 million pay cut leaving them right at the cap or $1 mill below. However, they only have 7 players under contract with Brand and Baron. That means whatever money goes to the rest of the players filling out the roster will put them over the cap and force them to pay the luxury tax. That’s how I understand it, but I could have gotten it wrong. If so, please explain it to me.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jul 1, 2008 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
luxury tax threshold
As far as I know, Clippers have the rights to Brand/Maggette, but must renounce one or both to make room for Baron Davis. If they renounce Maggette, which seems would make enough room, they can said Davis. For Brand, since the team has his bird rights (under contract >3 years), they can exceed the cap to resign him.
The luxury tax threshold is actually much higher than the salary cap. Its a very complicated formula based on average overage, revenue, or some other floating number. Most teams have to guess where the luxury tax is. Though I recall in previous years, on a 45m cap, the threshold was 60m.
As one of maybe 4 Clippers fans on this board
I’m totally overjoyed. Great to see BD come back to LA where he belongs. Good contract for the Clips too at 5/65 since they’re getting that relief from Maggette (who they may have room to resign at the midlevel too)
Lakers - Clippers
I have to tell you I have absolutely no bad feelings towards Clippers fan. I am stoked about this. Although part of me feels bummed out for all the Bruins in Northern California who are huge Warrior fans.
Going back to Southern Cal sports scene, I know Menelaus, Ajax are huge Halos fans (and are probably Dodger haters). I root for all Southern California teams except for you know who (and its former professional football teams) when it comes to the national sports scene.
Good for Clippers. Good for LA. And more importantly great for UCLA alums/students/fan in LA. Everybody wins (again except for the Bruin/Warrior fans).
I'm somewhat indifferent
My attitude reflected the attitude of their owner about winning. I throw jabs at the Clips for 2 reasons:
1. It’s easy
2. A couple of years back, the Clips truly thought they were going to take over this town, and all six of their fans were more insufferable than the worst Laker bandwagon fan. Then the Clips circled the toilet bowl and those six were never heard from again.
I can’t say I’m all that pleased with what the most recent finals run has brought out here in SoCal. I’m sure some of these jerks have red white and blue gear stored away in their closet from a couple of years ago though. As someone who has always wished for a reason to root for a team that I can see on TV all the time, this is fantastic news. They will never be the P & G, and Staples will always belong to the Lakers, but at least I don’t wish for the Clips to “find their own city” anymore. That, and as long as BDiddy is there, they won’t be the “Paperclips” anymore.
I agree with you Tydides
Clipper fans a few years back were about as annoying as those punks from South Central. They didn’t seem to get that one good year didn’t take away from decades of futility. Even so, I don’t have a problem with the Clippers getting some good fortune. I’ll root for them as long as the Lakers are better…
and yes, it is easy
by bucknellbruin on Jul 1, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It's funny--you root for what's around you
When we moved out here from the east coast when i was young, Clippers season tickets were, for some reason, on the agenda. So I was able to catch the “glory years” (if you want to call them that) of Ron Harper and Danny Manning.
You’re right, this is really good for LA because, as the bandwagon 05-06 fans showed, there are more than enough people to show love for both teams. But I get it—the Lakers and the Dodgers are the epitome of the LA teams, but there’s plenty of room at the table for everyone too.
the awful pick of eric gordon makes much more sense now
oh wait, no it doesn’t.
i’m happy baron’s in LA, i love baron, but i’m sad that he’ll now be buried in clipper nothingness.
That sound you hear
is my head repeatedly pounding the desk in front of me. Well, the Warriors were fun while they lasted.
You couldn’t have at least waited until I had taken the bar exam, Baron??? Since bar prep/barbri isn’t depressing enough as it is.
We're in the EXACT same place...
...the Bearded One just had to make this fun summer of bar studying that much harder to take, didn’t he?
Stupid BarBri. Stupid Clippers getting the Bearded One. So sad.
On the plus side, the Warriors offered Gilbert a crazy huge deal, so hopefully we can steal him away from D.C. because, well, Monta running the point may not work out so good.
BD clearly wanted to return to LA
He is most likely thinking of his film career of which he has spoken often in public. Elton Brand also has film aspirations and co-produced a film last year with Christian Bale in the lead. This is a great move for Baron, I’m sure he’s happy to be home.
As for the Clippers, meh. They are just Clippers. The only thing more pathetic than the Clippers is the Trojans. Having played in the Sports Arena together for so many years, they no doubt rubbed off on each other.
A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden
I wish you guys could hear yourselves
One of my favorite things about BruinsNation is the generally high level of respect that is given to opposing teams and good players. It’s UCLA first, foremost, and always, and then comes some reasonable and deserved USC bashing. But on the site the analysis of the Bruins always seems fairly objective and thoughtful, and it also seems obvious that’s the best way to go. Bruin fans want reason to be on their side. That was the way to get rid of Dorrell. Calling him stupid and incompetent wasn’t going to accomplish anything. Showing his abundant shortcomings with clear arguments and observations made the site readable and helped inform the consciousness of Bruin fans. Of course there’s going to be emotion and frustration, but the primary outlet was more analysis, lots of patience, faith that the end would come, and a careful search through the coaching candidates. The same is true for Lavin. And after all that, the arrival of a Howland and now a Neuheisl and Chow combo is appreciated even more deeply. There’s also an appreciation for all of the Bruin athletes and teams. It doesn’t come at the expense of their opponents and competitors. Then we analyze a Ben Ball team, for instance, and we expect excellence and commitment. We try to be objective and tough on ourselves, but we still show our enthusiasm and support. And respect.
Now I know that the Clippers are generally off-topic, forgettable and forgotten. But yesterday was different, and it was an extraordinary day for not just an outstanding former Bruin athlete, but for basketball in the city as well.
I know that the majority of Bruin fans are Laker fans. I was a longtime Laker fan myself, until the team became imo spoiled and cocky, with a seeming majority of lazy, cheesy, unknowledgable fans. Once you go to the other side, the Lakers look a lot like, well, USC football, even though I very much appreciate Farmar and Ariza and Luke Walton and some other players, and I like Phil Jackson. For me, Odom is a critical weak link on the Lakers, the same guy who he was on the Clippers, and after his recent effort in the finals I think that some Laker fans would agree.
I’m a little surprised about the Warrior fans here. I guess I’m a little curious about how they feel about the Lakers, and I’m not surprised that they’re frustrated and angry at losing a special player like BD. I think we’d all draw the line well before hoping that he gets hurt, and I would do it, here at BN, before saying “screw you.” The Warriors made an inadequate offer to BD, and he decided he wanted to play with the potent big man tandem of Brand and Kaman in LA. Brand and BD are following the Boston model and forming a partnership to make a big impact on the NBA and in the city. It seems commendable. I don’t see any lying and misleading.
And as a general FYI, the condescension is annoying. ”...they thought they were going to take over this town and all six of their fans were more insufferable than the worst Laker bandwagon fan. Then the Clips circled the toilet bowl and those six were never heard from again” and “Clipper fans were about as annoying as those punks from South Central.” I beg to differ. We know what SC fans say about long-suffering Bruin football fans, and that’s what these statements sound like. There aren’t six of us. Some of us appreciated our talented, tough team in the same way that we appreciate the Bruins. There’s no way that we’re worse than the worst Laker bandwagon fan—since that fan has no heart whatsoever, knows nothing about basketball, and shows up late in a great outfit and talks on a cell phone through the game. Who had the better fans in the finals, Boston or the Lakers? Just wondering.
At this point the Clippers don’t need a pat on the head or deserve one. You saw Baron Davis last summer against the Mavericks. You saw Elton Brand two years ago against the Suns, after the Suns beat the Lakers. What you probably haven’t seen are Kaman’s multiple 20-20 games or much of his belated breakout season last year in Brand’s absence, or Thornton’s 35+ pts explosions that made him 1st team all-rookie after he was left off the roster of the rookie-sophomore game over the all-star break. Eric Gordon is a great fit and a great pick, but I suppose you prefer watching Vujacic cry like Adam Morrison. It goes on from there, and it’s not “Clipper nothingness” and hasn’t been for awhile.
What can I say: the signing and homecoming of a great former Bruin has made some of you sound like USC football fans. I know it’s an odd and surprising situation, but obviously I much prefer the informed, supportive and respectful analysis I usually find at Bruin Nation.
Good post zhiv
As I mentioned above BD with the Clippers is a great situation for UCLA basketball. Baron has been very close to our basketball program in recent years under Howland. And I am sure Howland will more than appreciate having someone like him near Pauley always talking up UCLA hoops.
I understand the frustration of Warrior fans, but will not tolerate name calling of Baron Davis. The post you referenced above is deleted. If the Warrior fans want to attack BD, they will have to do it on another site, not in our house.
GO BRUINS.
Nicely done, Nestor
Appreciated and admired. A well-run shop over here, worthy of Bruin lore and greatness.
Agree with most of what you said
But you’re straight up wrong on the irritating behavior of the bandwagon fans. If you’re suggesting that the way the Clips have conducted business in their entire history isn’t reason for ridicule, that’s not going to find fertile ground here. You can throw out all the reasons you want that the Clips have for optimism. 80% of the teams in the league can claim similar reasons for the upcoming year. That’s not special. If you weren’t one of the irritating ones, if you were one of the fans with perspective, who realizes that 14 championships to squadoosh gives you no reason to crow, then good for you. Some of your friends felt a little differently, and that’s beyond discussion. It’s a fact. In that case, the criticism wasn’t directed at you, so relax.
You’re right, the Clips don’t deserve a pat on the head, because they were in the lottery. Again. They deserve a kick in the ass, and I’m glad they’re finally committed to trying to put out a winning product rather than letting Sterling sit pretty and field a JV team and rake in the money. I’d say the bandwagonism and the loudmouthed behavior of some of the so-called Clipper Nation circa 2 years ago is far more reminiscent of trOJan football (and last year’s basketball) behavior than anything posted here.
It’s like the comparison between UCLA and usc basketball. We don’t beat our chests and crow when the Lakers beat the Clips because it’s expected. When it happens the other way, you can’t shut them up. So “as a general FYI”, be careful when throwing around accusations of trOJanism around here, because you pointed the finger, but three more were pointing back at you.
That being said, I cannot speak for the Warriors fans as I am not one. I will simply say that the NBA is a business, and we usually hear that tossed around when players are traded by teams. Well that goes the other way as well. When a player opts out to better his personal situation, again, it’s business. I’ve seen no indications of under the table action, so let’s give it a rest on criticizing Baron. I look forward to seeing Baron in a Clipper uniform and I hope they do well in all but four games next season.
Good enough, maybe
Will definitely take and appreciate the “agree with most of what you said.” And I’ll quickly accept any reasoned argument, choosing to agree or disagree. So let’s begin.
“Straight up wrong about the irritating behavior of bandwagon fans.” Mine or yours? Let’s agree that in general bandwagon fans can be fairly irritating. In your original statement you said that the six ill-mannered Clipper fans were more annoying that the worst Laker bandwagon fan. I disagree with the first part in its characterization of longtime Clipper fans, obviously. It just doesn’t make sense to compare long-frustrated Clipper fans enjoying their first playoff wins to Laker bandwagon fans. Fans come in all types, shapes, colors and sizes. But we know that some Clipper fans are knowledgeable basketball fans. We know that all bandwagon fans are, well, bandwagon fans. So I don’t get it.
Secondly, I’ll readily concede that the Clippers colorful history of futility is worthy of ridicule. Of course it is. I don’t think I ever said that it wasn’t. I was saying, however, that I look to BN for some intelligence and analysis, and maybe a little respect for one of our own. I saw none of that, only condescension and dismissal. An intelligent analysis would note significant changes in Clipper management since the arrival of Dunleavy. Things started at the bottom—I assume we all remember the Sports Illustrated “worst franchise in history,” paper-bag-over-the-fan’s-head cover, which appeared a month before the team traded for Elton Brand. It has been a long road. But things have changed. Again, to dismiss without thought or analysis just doesn’t seem to be the BN style.
As a Clipper fan, after Brand’s injury last August on top of Livingston’s catastrophic injury, we knew the season was over before it started. Injuries aren’t bad management, and they aren’t really worthy of ridicule-I think we all remember BD’s Bruin injury, for instance, all too well. At the same time, however, the Lakers themselves were staring into the abyss, with a petulant and tiresome Kobe demanding a trade and hogging the media outlets, criticizing his management and teammates. Good fortune seems to smile on the Lakers, and they got Derek Fisher, Bynum emerged, and his injury turned a major Laker deficit in Kwame Brown into a team capable of winning the West when they were given Pau Gasol. Worth discussing, perhaps, especially in a reasonable and analytical way-one team commits NBA suicide so that an elite franchise can contend—but let’s call it “good fortune” and leave it at that.
I never said that the Clips should get a condescending pat on the head for being in the lottery again, due to Brand’s injury. I was saying that giving them a pat on the head for signing Elton Brand and Baron Davis to longterm deal was condescending. The Clippers haven’t had a JV team for 5 years.
All of the UCLA and USC stuff can be turned around and looked at from both sides, unfortunately. When you use the example of USC basketball beating UCLA it’s obvious that we’re going to think it’s obnoxious. But when the Bruin football team upsets the highly ranked Trojans and we’re ecstatic, do you think we’re not obnoxious to them? We happen to believe here that they deserve it because of their arrogance and the many other negative qualities we associate with them.
Have to leave it at that for now. Sorry for the incomplete thought. No worries.
Go Bruins.
Basketball-wise we're on the same page
I don’t think we will find middle ground whose fans are worse as my experience with some Clip fans has been less than enlightening. Nor do I think that this point matters much in the long run. As I said, I’m happy that the Clips have finally decided to compete. I would actually not have said anything if not for your use of the “T” word. As you might imagine, that is not an accusation to throw out lightly, especially when it can just as easily describe your constituency.
Anyway, the smaller points where we disagree seem inconsequential, so I’ll leave it at that. I know I’ll be rooting wholeheartedly for Baron. We’re Bruins first ahead of Laker, Clipper, or Warrior fans.
Yes, our master plan is working
You see, the Warriors making a wholly inadequate offer to BD, allowing him to return to LA and the Clips is all part of a master NorCal conspiracy to bolster Clipper basketball to pit all of you SoCal folks against one another.
This whole Angels revival hasn’t worked out so well (doesn’t help that the Dodgers aren’t doing much either), so those of us up here are hoping you’ll kill each other off in blood lust now that the Clippers might be a challenge to the Lake Show.
Perhaps with fewer of you around, we’ll be able to keep more of our water that you keep stealing.
Bwah ha ha ha ha ha.
(And because I know there are some people who have (1) no sense of humor and (2) no ability to discren sarcasm, I’m kidding).
Absolutely diabolical
This is the work of an evil genius. We must call the Governator to put a stop to this.
Yes, you better use him while you can...
...because we’re already plotting how we’ll dispose of the SoCal-loving Governator.
Knowing our NorCal Senator Boxer may leave the Senate when her term is up in 2010, NorCal will defy conventional San Francisco and Berzerkly wisdom and rally behind Arnold to send him to Washington for six years, thereby removing the only man who can save you from us.
While we're on the subject...
...and not being much of a Lakers fan (being a Warriors guy), I keep seeing references to the Lakers “blue-and-gold” while my eyes tell me I’m seeing purple and gold. Out of my own curiosity, can someone explain to me why that is?
Lakers Forum Blue & Gold
Simply put, Jack Kent Cooke didn’t like the word purple and commanded Chick Hearn to not use that word on the simulcasts.
Therefore, when Chick relayed his usual opening line of “the Lakers are moving left to right (or right to left, as need be) across your dial down the 94 by 50 hunk of wood in their Forum Blue & Gold” long before someone was “faked into the popcorn machine” and “the mustard came off the hot dog” (and my personal favorite “Magic’s beating a tattoo dribble between his legs for no reason at all”), it was because JKC didn’t like the way purple sounded on the air.
Ahh, very interesting...
...thank you for enlightening me. I never really thought about it, but I suppose “purple-and-gold” doesn’t roll off the tongue as well as “blue-and-gold.”
Much obliged for the information.
Forum Blue
And then Chick would say something like. ” Don’t adjust the color on your TV sets”
by Give me a B... on Jul 3, 2008 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
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