NCAA's "Enforcement" Chief Worrying About Looking "Impotent" re. Bush/OJ2
The Trojan Times published an article today with pictures of Reggie and OJ2, the two faces of Fig Tech. The Times reporter interviewed David Price, who is the NCAA "head of enforcement."
There were three parts of the article that I found telling.
The part about Brian Watkins (Lloyd Lake’s lawyer) saying NCAA is sitting on more information than him:
"The wealth of information they had, prior to even meeting with us, kind of shocked me," attorney Brian Watkins said. "They knew stuff we didn't even know."
So the NCAA has been sitting on more information than Bush’s adversary but it hasn’t done anything? Why?
The part about David Price talking about "institutional control" gives us a little peak into the mental make up of the NCAA bureaucrat:
Even if no one at USC provided extra benefits, the school could face penalties if investigators find a "lack of institutional control." The definition of institutional control is not as cut-and-dried as it is with other violations. Price talks about needing to "weigh the circumstances."
"The schools have to pay attention," he said. "They know what their kids are driving. They know where their kids are living."
But he cites a 1995-96 case in which former USC tailback Shawn Walters served a 12-game suspension for receiving extra benefits from a roommate who acted as a runner. The program was not punished.
"How in the world was the coach supposed to know that?" Price said. "You don't expect a coach to know everything a kid's doing 24 hours a day."
Can you feel David’s agony for Peetie?
Poor Peetie. All he wants to do is follow the rules. How in the world a coach like Peetie is supposed to know about this tawdry list when our Humanitarian is out curing AIDS and fighting hunger in Africa and fighting for human rights in Tibet?
David ends with this note of worry:
As the months stretch on, he says, "You shouldn't have the impression that the enforcement staff is impotent."
I will leave all the long time BNers to come up with the punch line to respond to that.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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They aren't impotent
They just don’t want to punish SC.
SC football is a cash cow (TV ratings, merchandise, etc.) and NCAA would never do anything to jeopardize that. Time does not mean impotence, it is just that they are hoping this all blows over while they try and stall.
by Rhapsode on
Jul 14, 2008 2:49 PM PDT
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I agree that the castrati at the ncaa have no desire to punish justsc
but I still do not understand how the presence of justsc on the death penalty list would cost the ncaa any money at all. I’m not asserting that the contrary is true, I just don’t know. It just seems to me that if the ncaa needs $119 million to run its program, then if justsc is told to take the aisle seat in the smoke house, then it’s share of that $119 million would simply be allocated to the remaining 118 D-1 football schools.
(For those of you who do not know what castrati are, go look it up. My guess is that there aren’t a lot of bassi in the ncaa chorus.)
by Fox 71 on
Jul 14, 2008 7:48 PM PDT
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Your "guess" is probably accurate
As far as SC making the NCAA money, I have no inside information. However, I can try and guess why SC is worth so much to the NCAA by cobbling together whatever I have learned from years of procrastinating and surfing the internet.
Once again, let me note that I am no expert. I have no inside knowledge, I have never worked in television, marketing, or advertising. I have never taken any practical classes as a part of my education: I majored in Classics in college and then went to law school. Everything here is merely conjecture and uninformed, poorly reasoned opinion based on my dislike for all things NCAA and SC. My only claim to knowledge is that I have read too much sports news and opinion on the internet for the last 9 years while I was supposed to be working.
There are plenty of celebrities and other high profile SC fans (Will Farrell, Snoop Dog, Jessica Simpson’s Ex Husband whose name I can’t remember since he really isn’t famous anymore, any celebrity with a movie coming out during football season see celebrities at Laker games). When people see their favorite celebrity wearing SC gear, they tend to buy it for themselves in the belief that an SC jersey makes them look cool. This would explain why you find SC jerseys in sporting goods stores around the country and not just in LA.
On top of making a ton of money on Bush and Leinart jerseys around the country (I still see more Bush jerseys than I do Tebow jerseys), there are also the bandwagon fans. SC fans are the biggest bandwagon fans ever. They show up in droves when SC wins, but disappear completely when things are not going so well. In 1999, buying a ticket to a game at the coliseum was very easy – walk up on game day, buy a ticket, sit on the 50 yard line. Plenty of SC “fans” could not even name the coach, or one player. But as soon as SC won something, all those people suddenly became diehard, lifelong fans who scoffed at and complained about the millions of new bandwagon fans. When the “school” cheats its way to a good season, the “fans” start showing up and spending money to be a part of the herd.
The final factor is ESPN. ESPN drives college football ratings and, for some reason, loves SC. Remember, at one point they talked about how a 2nd place SC team was one of the 10 best college football teams of all time. ESPN also forgets that the west coast exists, try watching Sportscenter or Baseball tonight for an Angel highlight during baseball season, it will make you more frustrated than trying to find UCLA basketball highlights on a Thursday night when the ACC, Big 10, and Big East don’t have any games scheduled. Broadcasting SC games is their way of acknowledging the PAC 10 and the rest of the west coast. Naturally, we suckers out here, desperate for decent coverage of our conference after watching FSN broadcasts, watch every minute. If SC is ranked and the game is a good one with plenty of celebrities on the sidelines, ESPN wins. If the game is not that great, ESPN still wins since the West Coast will still watch and the East Coast has nothing better to watch on TV at 11:00.
When ESPN can get bigger national ratings by taking west coast eyeballs away from FSN, they can get more advertising revenue. More advertising revenue translates into more money for the NCAA. Put that together with the bandwagon fans and a national market for SC merchandise (because people always want to look like their favorite celebrity), and you have the mafia the NCAA pretending to want to fix the problem in the south central.
Although another school might easily step in to fill SC’s role and prevent the NCAA from losing any money, what if they don’t? The NCAA just doesn’t want to take that risk. Their attitude regarding any form of change makes your castrati reference seem even more fitting. We don’t have a college football playoff for this same reason. Advocates of the idea claim that it will increase fan interest in the sport, raise television and merchandising revenue, and increase the overall appeal of the sport, but the NCAA wants nothing of it. They have something that works right now and there is a possibility that decreased fan frustration with the BCS might lead to lower attendance and TV ratings, why risk it?
Now after torturing anyone with the patience to read all of that, I will finally stop and hope someone with more knowledge and insight says something smart.
by Rhapsode on
Jul 15, 2008 1:22 AM PDT
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I won't get into an argument with you
about which of us knows less about the workings of the ncaa. I am convinced I know the least about that organization than anyone, although I am aware that (a) it’s HQ is somewhere in the Kansas City area or at least it was, and (b) it’s letters are in reverse alphabetical order.
But R, you made another statement which I question. You said “More advertising revenue translates into more money for the NCAA.” Why is that true? Do you (or does anyone) know how the ncaa get’s funded? If in fact it is true, then there is a huge conflict of interest here. The ncaa is the body which is supposed to keep the playing field level by enforcing its rules uniformly and fairly, but it also apparently gets increased revenue from the biggest of the cheaters. It therefore has no incentive to take decisive action to stop the cheating because it would be cutting off its source of funds.
To you FBU’s out there (and remember, an FBU is a fungible billing unit, i.e., a junior associate) – does this apparent conflict give standing to any interested and concerned fan who wants to fund and run a lawsuit as a pro per?
by Fox 71 on
Jul 15, 2008 5:03 AM PDT
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The NCAA headquarters are no longer in KC
Now they’re in Indianapolis. That’s why the NCAA gives Indy the Final Four every 5 years.
by ryebreadraz on
Jul 15, 2008 8:44 AM PDT
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NCAA television contracts
As far as I can tell from articles like this, more advertising revenue does translate to more money for the NCAA, but not directly.
It seems that the NCAA sells the rights to broadcast games to the highest bidder (CBS, ESPN, etc.). This highest bidder then has to find a way to recoup the expense and then make a profit through sponsors, advertising, and whatever else they can do to make money. Advertising revenue is determined by ratings (higher ratings = higher price to advertise during that time slot) and the networks will calculate how much to bid for the rights to broadcast certain events based on their potential profit.
If the winning bidder is able to make a profit, other networks will increase their bids in order to try and do the same. This competition drives up the overall price for the broadcast rights, even if the same network wins the rights every time they are up for grabs. Therefore, it seems that increased ratings for NCAA sporting events increases advertising revenue to the networks. Increased advertising revenue increases the price the networks will pay the NCAA for the rights to broadcast those sporting events.
As for incentive to root out cheaters, it is a balancing act. There is incentive to provide the appearance that the rules are followed. Nobody wants to watch a sport that allows certain teams to blatantly cheat and win every year. Sports appeal to our traditional notions of fair play and substantial justice our competitive nature, we love the idea that everyone has the same chances of success on the first day of the season. However, punishing programs that make the NCAA the most money is not profitable. Given the actions of NCAA so far, I am betting they will always err on the side of profit and only try and fix problems when they can no longer be ignored (i.e. they affect the bottom line).
by Rhapsode on
Jul 16, 2008 2:06 AM PDT
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Just a guess here
If we assume, as justice, cosmic karma, mojo and the Magna Carta demand, that justsc is blown off the face of the earth, I’m guessing that the overall neilson ratings will not drop at all. If there are X zillion people watching justsc, some percentage will watch whatever is substituted. Some trojies will watch whatever team is substituted (being by and large too stupid to notice the difference.) Some people will elect not to watch because justsc is not there. But don’t forget that there would be a new team appearing, and that new team would have fans, etc.
There’s no logical reason why there would be a drop-off in TV ratings. The argument you get to the contrary will be from guys in advertising. The same guys who assume that you’ll buy their product if they chant the name over and over again, a concept which I categorically reject. (Case in point – I hear justsc’s stupid chant at games. It does not make me want to re-matriculate to that hole of festering puss.) Anyway, the subject of the efficacy of advertising is for another time. Well – just one more thing. Remember how the manufacturer of Camel cigarettes got nailed for a zillion dollars for marketing to kids? I disputed the notion of causation in that case. So when the same ad agency did anti-smoking ads what happened. Nothing. If the experts who testify in these cases are correct, then any socially unacceptable behavior could be ended simply by turning ad agencies loose. Obviously behavior (in my hypo, buying behavior) isn’t really affected by advertisements. In my opinion, price is generally the determining factor, with perceived quality being factored in to an extent.
Anyway, I don’t think it’s possible to get more off topic, so I’ll quit.
by Fox 71 on
Jul 16, 2008 8:41 PM PDT
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I too am quitting
But if it helps, I agree with your opinion on the cosmic karma scenario.
by Rhapsode on
Jul 17, 2008 4:09 PM PDT
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I have been meaning...
...to look into this more, but any progress has been held up by (i) my own procrastination on the subject and (ii) studying for the damn bar.
Once August 1 is here and I am liberated, I will delve into this, I swear (this will take much more time than our depth charts; finding financial information on the NCAA, I found during an initial cursory search, was exponentially more difficult than info. on our own team).
Again, my suspicions (based on my own intuition and experience) is that because the NCAA receives a cut of the TV revenue and of all officially licensed merchandise, the NCAA would be reluctant to punish U$C since, as Rhapsode points out, their merchanidise is, at the moment, a popular selling item (a lot like how you could find Oklahoma Sooner football jerseys in Niketown in San Francisco in the early 2000s, but now they’re nowhere to be found).
Just a hunch, but something I will look into when I obtain my freedom.
by norcald503 on
Jul 15, 2008 7:55 AM PDT
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NCAA is a money driven cartel
and the Times article illuminates that quite well with the nonanswers and excuses. One would get more information interviewing the mafia. Right from the get go, the reporter is informed that they will not talk about specific cases. The NCAA rep provided virtually no informaiton whatsoever, just some vague generalitieson how they investigate claims.
by bonecar on
Jul 14, 2008 2:58 PM PDT
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Internal SUC memo
“Snitches get Stitches”
by Tydides on
Jul 14, 2008 5:32 PM PDT
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Well...
...Carmelo, of “Don’t Snitch” fame, is friends with OJ2, afterall. How fitting.
by norcald503 on
Jul 14, 2008 6:01 PM PDT
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Impotent
As many have speculated already here and other places, I think they will try to set an example by going after their hoops program (because no one really cares about it), while doing not much with their football team.
by Nestor on
Jul 14, 2008 6:57 PM PDT
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Impotence,
as from enforcile dysfunction. Perhaps there’s a pill. Price could slam SUC, and do grinning spots on TV.
by Bruinut on
Jul 18, 2008 8:10 AM PDT
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What?!!
Mr. Magoo can’t see AND he’s impotent?
Love My Bruins
by Bruingirl83 on
Jul 15, 2008 2:39 PM PDT
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Time is on my side...
Yes it is! As the Stones put it, time really is on our side. I see the NCAA’s procrastination as helpful in achieving the following scenario: By dragging this whole mess out the NCAA is giving (obviously unintentionally) Coach Neu a chance to showcase his talents on the field, thus providing him with added ammunition to attract the best talent in our region once the Trojies get slammed. Their combustion seems perfectly timed with our upswing. Its just a matter of time, and as Bruins fans… its clearly on our side.
by eubruin on
Jul 17, 2008 8:09 AM PDT
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Any news on the bu$h depo?
Question for the BN-ers in San Diego. Is there any news about a depo? And does anyone have the case file number, so those of us who have access to this sort of thing can look at whatever electronic stuff exists.
by Fox 71 on
Jul 18, 2008 12:16 PM PDT
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