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[UPDATED w DE's Coach's Comments] Clarification on Donovan Edwards …

Honestly I would love to move beyond this story. However, I think it is really unfair to a kid if someone is providing inaccurate information . In today’s Daily News Brian Dohn reported this:

Edwards was to compete for the starting right tackle spot, but informed the school he changed his mind and wanted to go to Cal.

However, sources said Edwards did not receive the necessary grades and never sent his transcripts to UCLA. Therefore, UCLA never had the opportunity to present Edwards to the admission's board.

That report was directly contradicted by MoragaBear, a staff writer for Bear Insider Forums (Scout.com’s Bear site):

I talked to Edwards this morning and the news about him commiting to Cal is accurate. And UCLA's line about him not qualifying are complete bs, as usual. He had a 3.5 out of high school and he simply needed to complete 24 units to be eligible to play this year. He finished his summer school classes last week -with an A and a B.

Edwards is a bright and articulate guy and he doesn't deserve the bitter UCLA propaganda slander.

Look for a story soon.

I have not seen any story yet, so I am not what conclusion we can draw.

I think Cal fans have a legitimate argument when they point out how can Dohn’s sources assert that Edwards did not receive necessary grades when he never sent his transcripts to UCLA. So something is off and unfortunately right now it’s a he said/he said situation until we see any other information coming from sources, independent from Cal, UCLA or Donovan Edwards.

Anyway, for now though I have to agree with rye. People should not be jumping all over a kid when we don’t have detailed information about the facts around this case.

GO BRUINS.

UPDATE: Dohn is sticking by his report about Edwards not having the necessary grades for UCLA:

One of the Cal Message Boards is imploding over the Donovan Edwards situation. The posters are accusing Tracy Pierson of BRO, and to a certain extent, you, of lying about whether Edwards had sufficient grades to be admitted to UCLA. In light of everything you have read/learned about Edwards, how confident are you in this part of your article on the issue:
"Edwards did not receive the necessary grades."
I'm fine with what I wrote.

also here:

how reliable are your sources on your assertion that Donovan Edwards did not receive the necessary grades ("two Bs") to be admitted to UCLA? Is Tracy Pierson one of your sources on the Donovan Edwards story? Do you ever use Tracy Pierson as a "source" for your UCLA stories?
I don't write stories based on unreliable sources. If I was willing to divulge my sources, I would do so in a story, not a Q&A session. But I can tell you I don't use other media members as sources.

Dohn also added this:

I've heard conflicting stories about D.Edwards and his de-commitment. The Bear Insiders says he was just going to summer school for the 24-units needed to play Division-1 football. While you and your "sources" say he never had the grades for UCLA. If he never had the grades or for UCLA, why would they waste a visit on him? If in fact you or your sources are wrong, do you intend to apologize to D.Edwards?
Back in June, Edwards told Daily News staffer Jill Painter he needed to get grades in two summer classes to be admitted to UCLA. The admission standards are different for Cal and UCLA, regardless of what people want to believe. When Edwards visited UCLA, he said he told the coaches he was on target to get the grades he needed, then didn't get them, which is how he wound up in summer school. Schools all over the nation have kids take visits who are not academically secure to enter college. And if Donovan Edwards wants to send me his transcripts, then I will print them. I left numerous messages with him about this topic the last few days, and still have not heard back from him.

Again if there is something from Cal front that corroborates the claim that Donovan had qualified for UCLA, I would be happy to update my post. GO BRUINS.

UPDATE II: Jim McGill at Bear Insider spoke with Mike Darr, the coach for Edwards at Diablo Valley College:

When asked about Edwards grades and qualifying issues, Darr confirmed that Edwards had the grades and units to easily be admitted to both Cal and UCLA, despite the claims of writers for the Bruin Report Online and the LA Daily News.

"They’re (UCLA) just angry," said Darr.  "He was planning on sticking around for another year, especially when teams didn’t come after him right after the season so he was taking his time with his units since he was a full qualifier out of high school.  One of the classes he took was more out of personal interest but it wasn’t transferable so he picked up some units to have enough transferable credits this summer in order to get to the minimum number of 24 units to transfer after his freshman year.  It wasn’t because he’s not a great student.  He’s an excellent student and he got the grades he needed.  Those writers will see that when he gets his degree from Cal .  He’s very focused.  That’s unfortunate that there’s apparently some sour grapes down there."

The burden now shifts on Dohn to provide basis for his initial reports on Edwards. If he doesn't I wouldn't blame Edwards and the Cal football program for having some serious grievances concerning his reporting on this story.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.

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Might very well be sour grapes

I am always skeptical when I read something like “he wanted to go to UCLA but we just couldn’t get him into school.” It is a convenient excuse when a recruit is lost. I have read that UCLA’s standards for athletes are more strenuous than Cal’s, but if that is true, they should be changed. There is no reason for UCLA to have more strenuous academic requirements for athletes than Cal. Why should we recruit with one hand tied behind our backs when competing against a school in the same university system?

by bruin7982 on Jul 30, 2008 7:12 PM PDT   0 recs

Nestor, you revealed the problem in your first paragraph.

“Brian Dohn reported this” is less than a rousing endorsement for the accuracy of what comes next. Doh! apparently did not bother to verify any facts when he wrote about Edwards. Two BN contributors have totally contradicted the statements he madeFrankly, if I had noticed that this mini-firestorm stemmed from a Doh! report, I would have skipped the whole thing and moved on.

Remember what this guy was spouting while we were in the midst of discussing the head football coach position, which had been unoccupied for several years. Doh! showed his lack of journalistic skills throughout the tenure of the man in the empty suit. Frankly, and this is just my opinion, I think Doh! has an anti-Bruin agenda. He is so dreadfully wrong so often on reporting the facts,. He was such a blatant gluteus maximus smoocher to the prior football regime. He does not have UCLA’s interests at heart, in my opinion. And of course he will never admit he made a mistake with his so-called factual reporting. If he even acknowledges anything, he’ll simply blame it on a “source.”

There was some name calling in one of the threads which seemed a little overboard to me. But in light of the origin of the story, it appears to be closer to the mark. There is a coward in this story, and it’s the reporter. Shame on you, Doh!.

by Fox 71 on Jul 30, 2008 8:59 PM PDT   0 recs

Agree Completely

I’m amazed that anyone finds Dohn sufficiently credible to take a position on something he has reported.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Jul 31, 2008 9:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

About Dohn

Personally I’d prefer him to be mocked as Duh… than Doh! At least when Homer Simpson bellows Doh! it’s to acknowledge that he made a mistake. Brian to my knowledge has done no such thing, and has looked more stupid as a result, hence Duh…

by UCLA4Life on Jul 31, 2008 5:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Found this facebook message

“Donovan Edwards wrote on Thomas DeCoud’s Wall.

Pinole Valley To Cal, I’m following in your footsteps bruh….”

sort of shows he’s wanted to go to cal. my guess is that a scholarship opened up and he jumped at the chance.

by freakmont on Jul 31, 2008 10:11 AM PDT   0 recs

Do you have links to articles

that report he had the grades for UCLA? I am not flaming you. Just asking. As N wrote in his post we shouldn’t be jumping on this kid. But I would still like to see information coming from a non Cal source that confirms that he did have grades that qualified him for UCLA.

by bluestreet on Jul 31, 2008 2:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not sure if this counts

but found this on scout.com

“Biography: Qualified out of high school. May need to stay another season to develop, but could leave following 2007 season.”

“qualified” could mean anything, but since they mentioned that he needed another season to develop, i’m guessing they are referring to academics. if he needed another season to develop, then technically he wouldn’t qualify physically. Can’t remember where, but I also read something about him gaining 30 or so pounds.

Also, this from Dohn:
“From what I’m hearing from a source, Donovan Edwards did not provide UCLA with his summer class grades to be presented to the admission’s committee before changing his commitment to Cal.”
doesn’t nec. say he didn’t have the grades.

by freakmont on Jul 31, 2008 4:55 PM PDT   0 recs

this should clear things up

I know its a Bear source, but it seems legit

by freakmont on Aug 1, 2008 1:08 PM PDT   0 recs

No it does not

That article does not have any information that establishes he had academically qualified for UCLA. The quotes your provided above do not establish that point either. Donovan Edwards might have had the grades and scores to get into UCLA but right now I have not seen that information anywhere in public except for a post on Cal message board.

I don’t want to argue this any more. Let’s move on. If someone posts a link that provides new information establishing whether or not he was qualified for UCLA, I would hope N update his post.

by bluestreet on Aug 1, 2008 1:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hm...i didn't know we were arguing

good luck formulating your own opinion

by freakmont on Aug 1, 2008 11:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No one was arguing with you

bluestreet like others asked for a report that corroborates the claim that Donovan Edwards had academically qualified for UCLA. We have yet to see that information anywhere except for a post by BearInsider moderator on their message board. The links you provided did not present any new info.

by Nestor on Aug 2, 2008 8:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

this might clear things up

I know its a Bear source, but it seems legit

by freakmont on Aug 1, 2008 1:09 PM PDT   0 recs

Duh! "Sources said Edwards did not receive the necessary grades ..."

And, therein lies the problem.

Duh! writes a report disparaging Edwards based upon unnamed “sources”. Others then pick this up as fact and further run Edwards down.

It’s been several days now and NOTHING has emerged to support Duh!’s report—and there is some credible evidence that it is not true. It appears likely that Edwards is a very good kid, a bright kid, who simply had a change of heart and decided to go elsewhere. We’ve been the beneficiary of last minute changes of heart and should understand that they occur.

Meanwhile, Edwards appears to have been falsely cast as too dumb for UCLA. Cal has been cast as taking people we can’t. And, none of this has been proved to be true.

Shame on Duh!. And, with all due respect, shame on all of those who use any unattributed statement he makes to reach any conclusions.

Nestor had this one right when he said “People should not be jumping all over a kid when we don’t have detailed information about the facts around this case.”

I think it was up to Duh!, who leveled the original charge, to support it. He hasn’t.

You may think this is trivial. I don’t. As a young lawyer, working with the rural poor for CRLA, a program attacked by then Gov. Regan, I was “charged” with “extortion” while working for a group of farm workers who were on strike. I was but one of many of my CRLA colleagues facing similar, bogus, charges. My mother cried when she saw the charges and my name in the LA Times. President Nixon appointed a blue ribbon commission to investigate Regan’s attack on CRLA. All of the attorneys facing charges were exonerated, and the Republican Chief Justice of the Maine Supreme Court wrote a wonderful report praising our commitment, ethics and skill. it did not get the same press coverage as was given the original charges. (One of the charges was that one of our lawyers carried a purse. She did. But at that time, there were so few female lawyers that the charge was used to imply that one of the male attorneys carried a purse. Of course, that was before the days of man bags - this was back in ‘71 or so.) The reason I write all of this? It hurts to be called out in the press - especially when the reports are not correct. And, especially when you are very young.

Edwards deserves better.

One last thought:

There is another reason I get so upset with “unnamed sources” reporting. I am just old enough to remember Eugene McCarthy ruining the lives of many by charging them with being Communists based upon the allegations of “unnamed sources”.

As I have written here before, there may be a place, in critical stories, to protect sources—but a sports page article about a high school kid is not one of them. And, all legitimate news organizations that allow unnamed source reporting usually require multiple sources for the fact before running it.

Once more, shame on you Duh!.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Aug 2, 2008 8:07 AM PDT   0 recs

Edwards deserves better ... no doubt

But at the same time … Cal fans who are arguing that Edwards had qualified for UCLA should present info that support their contention.

by Nestor on Aug 2, 2008 8:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Burden of Going Forward

Lawyer talk but I think it applies:

I think the presumption ought to be that Edwards simply changed his mind - and without proof to the contrary - that his grades had nothing to do with it.

Duh! started this by alleging that Edwards could not make the grades needed to get into UCLA.

I think Duh! has the burden of going forward to prove that his allegations are true—with CREDIBLE evidence, not “sources said”.

It is Duh!’s report denigrating Edwards that started this whole thing. If he had simply reported that Edwards had a change of heart, nothing about Edwards grades would have been an issue. We would have wished Edwards well, just as we wished Stanback well.

I don’t really care what the Cal fans are saying. They know no more than Duh!.

As to the issue of whether Edwards qualified for admission here or did not, the truth is that none of us, including the Cal fans, have access to the admissions files.

Duh! led us to believe that he had “sources” who did. If he has such easy access to the facts, he should report them, with attribution.

Until then, I’ll go with the presumption that Edwards was qualified to accept the position that UCLA offered him and simply changed his mind.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Aug 2, 2008 8:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We will have to disagree

I have not concluded anything re. Edwards. I don’t know whether or not he qualified for UCLA. He might have. Edwards can himself diffuse the controversy by making an explicit statement to any of the Bay Area newspapers (not affiliated with Cal fansites) that he had the grades that made him qualified to UCLA. He hasn’t done it. I haven’t seen any statement from him saying he had the grades to get into UCLA.

I don’t believe a reporter has the obligation to divulge his sources all the time.

I do believe reporters should be held accountable if there are questions about his or her work that provides conflicting information. But right now all we have are Dohn’s reports v. a message board post on a Cal fan board. Dohn is sticking with his reports. Until I see something explicit from a non Cal affiliated source that asserts he was qualified for UCLA, I think it is reasonable to remain undecided on this story.

We shouldn’t jump over Edwards but at the same time can have questions about what actually took place.

by Nestor on Aug 2, 2008 8:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with Nestor...

but i don’t think donovan will ever really make a statement. he seems to be indifferent to the whole issue, not because he is trying to hide something, but because he doesn’t have time to deal with these things.

I messaged him on facebook the other day, kidding that a lot of bruins are talking smack on blogs, without mentioning his grades or anything (Just mentioning that UCLA fans are disgruntled).  To that he said, "lol its all good, i tend to stay away from those sites b/c they don't always know whats going on. but thanks for fighting for on those sites. GO bears"

If you guys really want me to, I can ask him personally about his grades, hahahahahaha.

by freakmont on Aug 2, 2008 1:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with Nestor

but i don’t think donovan will ever really make a statement. he seems to be indifferent to the whole issue, not because he is trying to hide something, but because he doesn’t have time to deal with these things.

I messaged him on facebook the other day, kidding that a lot of bruins are talking smack on blogs, without mentioning his grades or anything (Just casually mentioning that UCLA fans are disgruntled). To that he said, “lol its all good, i tend to stay away from those sites b/c they don’t always know whats going on. but thanks for fighting for on those sites. GO bears”

If you guys really want me to, I can ask him personally about his grades, hahahahahaha.

by freakmont on Aug 2, 2008 1:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why?

Why should a high school student have to expressly defend himself against an unsupported allegation published in a newspaper or blog?

None of us should have to. Putting the burden on the person about whom crap is written is unfair. It takes time and it takes resources and it takes emotional energy.

Why shouldn't the reporter who raises the issue have to support what he says?

In fact, I agree with Fox. Edwards has been defamed. And, if my alma mater had anything to do with disclosing confidential information, it may be in trouble, too.

But, of course the Duhs! of the world get away with this stuff because they can be fairly certain that they won’t get sued.

The law is clear, if Duh! were sued, he’d have to prove that what he wrote was true. In a court, the burden would be on him. Why shouldn’t that same burden be placed on him in the “court of public opinion” that is BruinsNation?

BTW—I’ve read Edwards blog. Thanks for the post. This is not a blog written by someone who belongs in Senora Rosa’s classes.

sjh

PS. Way to go Duh! and whoever in BN jumped on Edwards. Great locker wall material for him in the upcoming game against us.

PPS. Not long ago, an irresponsible journalist attacked BN, saying, in essence, that Nestor was intellectually dishonest in “dumbing down” the expectations for CRN’s first season.

Go back and look at all of the time and effort put out here, by many people, to defend both Nestor and the position he had taken.

Nestor was attacked for positions he had voluntarily made a part of a public debate.

Donovan Edwards did nothing to make his grades a part of any news story. Why should he have to defend himself?

PPPS. I would go over to Duh’s place and call him out on this. But, I’ve stopped going there. A while back he imposed “standards”. You can’t get on the site without his permission and calling him out will never get permission.

Duh!, if you read this, bring it on. Prove your point or apologize to Edwards.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Aug 2, 2008 7:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Steve - Doh! will never respond

First, he doesn’t have to.

Second, if he responded he would have to engage in an intellectual discussion, and I am sure he is aware that he would be seriously outgunned in that department.

Third, responding and debating would require intellectual honesty, and there has never been any evidence that he has any.

Fourth, he is a coward. He prints something attributable to sources, but is too cowardly to let anyone else quiz his ostensible sources to verify or debunk what he reports as fact. That is pure cowardice, in my opinion.

All that said, I also will not go to his site. Another bump on his count-o-meter just enables him. And I remember reading about his willingness to debate—only those who agree with what he says get published. I believe George Orwell wrote about that sort of thing. Bottom line – Doh! will never leave the protection of his own Ministry of Truth.

by Fox 71 on Aug 2, 2008 9:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Doh! - A two part rant

Rant part one – Constitutional issues.

There are constitutional issues here. Nestor says, correctly in my view, that he doesn’t “believe a reporter has the obligation to divulge his sources all the time.” I agree with that as a general statement. But specifically as to Doh! and specifically as to his “reporting” on Edwards I take issue. I would love to see someone take on this guy and let him fight his constitutional fight, because it cuts both ways.

The first amendment to the U.S. Constitution explicitly discusses the right of freedom of speech. Several Supreme Court justices say that the U.S. Constitution confers a right of privacy (a point on which I disagree.) The California Constitution doesn’t give anyone any way to argue that point, because it explicitly confers a right of privacy. In fact, it’s such an important right that it’s Article One, Section One of the California Constitution.

And there’s the rub. Doh! has a right to publish what he wants to publish, and in whatever manner he chooses to publish. Edwards has a right of privacy (and I don’t think he’s a “public figure” a la NY Times v. Sullivan simply because he accepted a scholarship to go to college.) I think Edwards right of privacy has been infringed upon big time by Doh! and his allegations that a very private matter – one’s grades – are or are not up to par. I do NOT think that Doh!’s first amendment privilege trumps Edwards’ right of privacy, and hence I would award MAJOR damages to Edwards if he sued Doh! and if the issue were presented to me as the trier of fact.

That’s the second cause of action. In the first cause of action, if I were Edwards’ lawyer, I would sue for defamation, and demand Doh!’s so-called sources be named so they can be deposed. In light of the way schools so zealously guard their students’ rights of privacy, I believe it is absolutely impossible for Doh! to have received the info from the school. So he either has to have got the ostensible info from a document (a copy of a transcript) or from a person. Whatever the source is, I would demand its production and, if I were wearing the black robe, I would gleefully have Doh! fitted for a nice orange jumpsuit until he disclosed that info, assuming he would claim a right of free speech and a privilege to refuse to divulge his “sources.”

Rant part two – Doh! and “sources”

Frankly, I am convinced based on Doh!’s past record of inaccurate reporting (remember how for sure Coach Walker was heading for UW) and flat out false reporting (remember his change in how he quoted CTS regarding calling out individual players) that I believe his sources to be either the guy in the next cubicle or his cat or a leftover ham sandwich in the fridge. I think he just makes this stuff up, and his editor has to share in the complicity. Doh! puffs up his chest and struts around saying how he doesn’t have to disclose his sources, but he surely can’t pull that sort of crap with his editor.

Brothers and Sister, and I suppose moderators, if Doh! is never again quoted here I would not be disturbed in the slightest. I assume that anything he says is in error. Whether negligently or (as I believe) intentionally, it makes no difference. I don’t think the BN should be one of his enablers. I really don’t need to know anything he says.

Now the grain of salt. I prefer watching games on TV with the sound off. I prefer Opera to other forms of music. I am a geezer, and most certainly not hip. When discussions get around to pop culture, I can’t even identify the categories. In short, I recognize that I am out of phase with 2008. Hence, while I stand by my position as to Doh!, I recognize that I am in the minority on most everything.

by Fox 71 on Aug 2, 2008 6:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oops -

sjh, I assume you meant Tailgunner Joe McCarthy, not the Mr. Rogers lookalike, Gene McCarthy.

by Fox 71 on Aug 2, 2008 6:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hate to be the obnoxious kid

in the first row ruining an otherwise eloquent argument, but I think you mean JOE McCarthy.

Eugene McCarthy is the guy whose sticker on my motorcycle informed my dad that my politics had evolved.

by Bruinut on Aug 3, 2008 6:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh he has a blog

http://dedwards65.blogspot.com/

he mentions the media in his latest entry.

by freakmont on Aug 2, 2008 1:30 PM PDT   0 recs

if you check out the video

at the bottom of the blog, his GPA is displayed.

by freakmont on Aug 2, 2008 1:37 PM PDT   0 recs

not trying to

prove anything, just trying to help clear things up with all these links. but personally, i can’t see him not qualifying to play at a school. He seems articulate and intelligent.

He seems motivated per his “about me” on his blog.: “Well I’m Donovan Edwards, a young African-American, Student Athlete, and overall cool person! I play football, because it’s my passion and it’s going to pay for my college degree!”

and I haven’t seen or read anything saying he had a GPA lower than a 3.5. And we are basing all this on a reporter who hasn’t mentioned his source or given us anything new.

by freakmont on Aug 2, 2008 1:49 PM PDT   0 recs

Every sentence on his blog

ends with an exclamation point. Damn, he must be excited. All. The. Time.

I have no evidence that he changed his mind due to grades, though. I tend to think it’s all sour grapes on UCLA’s part, but who knows. It certainly wasn’t Cal’s status as a traditional Pac-10 power or sterling athletic facilities that drew him there. But whatever.

by CAJason80 on Aug 5, 2008 3:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

More Than Anything

it appears that Edwards wanted to play with a close high school friend, DeCoud (sp?) with whom he went to high school. DeCoud has played in the Cal system. Going where you know someone who is happy, and getting to play with a friend are valid things to consider in making a choice.

Interesting that the DeCoud connection is prominent in Edward’s statements were not reported as one reason for Edward’s choice of Cal. Instead, we got one version that the issue was grades. Shame on you Doh!

sjh

by Class of 66 on Aug 7, 2008 5:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nestor, Are You Getting Old, Too?

I think the last line of your updated comment was intended to read ” ... I wouldn’t blame Edwards …” instead of “I would”.

Am I right?

Don’t worry, it is a very graceful slide to geezerdom.

sjh

PS. I agree, I think that Edward’s coach has said enough that Duh! has to come up with proof for his story or apologize for it.

Of course, I thought that before Edward’s coach spoke and therein lies our respectful disagreement.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Aug 4, 2008 10:44 AM PDT   0 recs

I predict that Doh! never says another word about Edwards

He would have to admit that he was wrong or worse, and that will never happen. Why should he care anyway? People are mentioning his name and his blog, and even if the publicity is negative, it’s still publicity.

by Fox 71 on Aug 4, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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