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Triple Threat: Power Programs

So here is something that could generate some fun discussion during this long 4th of July weekend.

The folks at Rivals.com have tried to put together a ranking of best schools based on the combination of successful football, basketball, and baseball program. Here is the formula they used:

FOOTBALL
Share of National Title = 10 points
Runner-up = 7 points*
Top 4 ranking = 5 points
No. 5-8 = 3 points
No. 9-16 = 2 points
Bowl win, outside top 16 = 1 point
Bowl loss, outside top 16 = 0.5 points


BASKETBALL

National Title = 10 points
Runner-up = 7 points
Final Four = 5 points
Elite Eight = 3 points
Sweet 16 = 2 points
Round of 32 = 1 points
First-round loss (since 1979) = 0.5 points

BASEBALL

College World Series title = 10 points
CWS Runner-up = 7 points
Third or fourth in CWS = 5 points
Third or fourth in CWS = 3 points
Super regional loser = 2 points**
Regional runner-up = 1 points***
Regional participant = 0.5 points

* - In the pre-BCS era, the No. 2 team in the AP poll was awarded the 7 points. However, during the BCS era, the BCS title game loser was awarded 7 points.
** - The NCAA didn't start using the super regional format until 1999. For years before 1999, the second-place team in each of the eight regionals received 2 points each.
*** - The regional runner-up received two points each before the 1999 season, when the eight regional winners advanced to the College World Series. Before 1999, teams that finished in third or fourth place in their respective regionals earned 1 point each, with the fifth- or sixth-place teams getting a half-point. Since 1999, only teams that finished second in their regionals received 1 point. The rest of the regional participants earned a half-point.

 So first they did a ranking for the BCS era. Texas topped the list. Bruins came in 9th:

9. UCLA (7.5 football, 24 basketball, 7 baseball, 38.5 total points)

The buzz: The Bruins have made the Final Four each of the past three seasons, finished eighth in the AP football rankings in 1998 and reached baseball super regionals in 2000 and 2007. UCLA was 12th before baseball was considered. 

Yes, if you are wondering, Southern Cal is number 6 in that list.

They also extended their analysis to find out which school enjoyed the most success in these three sports since the 1974-75 season since that was the year “more than one school from each conference could earn an NCAA Tournament bid in basketball.” Texas also topped that list, while the Bruins came in 10 th:

10. UCLA (38 football, 79.5 basketball, 21 baseball, 138.5 total points)

The buzz: The Bruins only have one College World Series appearance (1997), but they've won two national titles in basketball during this era (1974 and 1995) and have reached the Final Four each of the past three years. The Bruins fell from seventh once baseball was added. 

Trojans came in 7th in that list but they only made it because of their “tournament appearance last spring,” which arguably shouldn’t count or should come with an asterisk given the cloud of controversy around OJ2. Then again all their recent rankings should be marked with asterisk given the situation with Reggie Bush.

Anyway, going back to our Bruins, our place in this list is not bad given how long we had Peter Dalis in charge, who was responsible for slow deterioration of all of these major programs through the 90s due to one bad coaching hires (or lack there of it in the case of baseball) after another. Also consider the fact despite going through the mediocre to horrific years of the entire Dorrell era, and the later years of Donahue/Toledo era, UCLA has had a top-25 ranked football program since 1974. Basketball was number 5 (despite going through coaches such as Farmer, Hazzard and you know who). Baseball was nowhere in the top-25 list. I would imagine our position in these rankings are going to only improve given the upgrade in baseball via John Savage, the promise of Neuheisel, and the incredible foundation Howland has built for our basketball program.

So, It will be interesting to see how we will stack up in these rankings after next 5 years. Given the coaches we have in charge in all three sports, we have lot of reasons to be fired up.


GO BRUINS.

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I'm calling BS on Rivals

I find it kind of amusing that they chose to make the cut off at 1974-75 simply because it was the first year that "more than one school from each conference could earn an NCAA Tournament bid in basketball." I think it’s kind of odd to base a cut-off date for a three-sport survey on an arbitrary date in only one of those sports.

I just think it’s a bit amusing that the cut-off date also neatly manages to cut out the 9 other basketball national titles the Bruins won, cutting 90 points out of score. Not that those 90 points would put the Bruins at the top of the list, or anything.

Just a thought.

by norcald503 on Jul 4, 2008 10:17 AM PDT   0 recs

I agree

1974?

Sort of an interesting choice of years. Seems like they wanted to limit ND in football and UCLA at basketball while at the same time boosting SC and the Florida schools in the formula.

No offense to Rye, but why baseball? Does the arbitrariness of this list seem funny?

by Bruins102NCAA on Jul 4, 2008 4:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I mean, I don't see...

...why the fact the basketball tournament shifted to allowing more than one conference team in diminishes titles won prior to 1974.

Now, if they said, they wanted to rank the top athletic programs in the last quarter century, I’d understand if they imposed an arbitrary cut-off of 1983. But, I fail to see how 1974 is any significant turning point in the supposed fairness of NCAA athletics.

As for the baseball angle, again, no offense to Rye (who does a fantasic job of covering Bruin baseball), but the two “power” sports are football and basketball, financially and culturally. Offices aren’t abuzz come time for the College World Series (unless your office is staffed entirely of people from CSU Fullerton or Fresno State now).

Yes, in high school (at least where I went to high school) baseball was one of the three “cool jock” sports (with football and basketball). In college though, it just doesn’t have the same draw as football and basketball, I suspect, in part because so much top talent goes straight to the minors.

If they’re going to include baseball, why don’t they include women’s softball? Or track and field? Or golf?

It’s all good though. If they did, they’d find out what we already know: when it comes to consistent excellence in all athletic pursuits, only one university can make a claim: UCLA.

by norcald503 on Jul 4, 2008 5:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

..hey, it's their list..

..you can do the same with your own list if you want.

However, you make a valid point. The last 50 years or the last 25 years or something more “symmetrical” would make sense.

God, it's great to be a Bruin!

by WHP '68 on Jul 4, 2008 7:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If Academics Were the 4th factor

If you include academic rankings as a 4th measure, by ranking the schools on this list and awarding the same point scale according to their rank…

In the Combined BCS era, UCLA is #1.
In the Combined since 1974, UCLA is #2 or #3, (behind Michigan and either just ahead or just behind UNC)

And I’ll take that over UT’s #1 in the Big 3 any day.

greg in denver

by gbruin on Jul 5, 2008 1:02 AM PDT   0 recs

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