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So on the second day after Ben Olson went down at Spaulding the Bruins had a sluggish day on offense (or a dominating one on defense from another pov). The sloppy offensive performance (to start the Monday of second week of Fall practice) led to Neuheisel making a comment about being “concerned” about offense, which set off immediate concern trolling by local reporters who seemed to be pouncing for the opportunity to hit the panic button. Chris Foster from the LA Times breathlessly typed up how UCLA quarterbacks are facing “rush to judgment” with “only a few weeks left” before a decision:

Basically, it's never good when the coach says, "I'm concerned" a week into training camp. But after a rough day for the offense, UCLA Coach Rick Neuheisel took a breath and said just that, followed by "Our offense has to understand that we have to have tempo on a daily basis. We can't just come out here. We have some real good leaders, we need some more of them. Hopefully, we'll develop them as we get closer to game time."

Leadership would seem to go hand in hand with playing quarterback, but Kevin Craft and Chris Forcier are riding a learning curve on that, Neuheisel indicated. They are trying to fill the void created when starter Ben Olson broke a bone in his right foot and will be sidelined for eight weeks.

Craft and Forcier didn't seem to distinguish themselves with Neuheisel, as the Bruins defense dominated play during 11-on-11 drills Monday.

"Guys have to command a presence to play that position," Neuheisel said. "You can't be effective without it."

Neuheisel singled out tailback Kahlil Bell and tight end Logan Paulsen as offensive leaders, but said, "We need more of them and we're going to be demanding more of others."

Playing quarterback, Neuheisel said, requires "an innate sense of command, a feel and presence, all those things. It's like the Supreme Court said about obscenity, 'I'm not sure how to define it. I just know what it is when I see it.' It's the same with quarterbacks."

No offense to Ben Olson and everyone who reads BN on a regular basis know there aren’t a lot of strong supporters of BO than yours truly. But can some one tell me exactly what “void” has been created due to Olson’s injury? Some stark numbers on BO’s career courtesy of CPBruinFan at Bruin Roar:

If you count up all the games where Ben Olson hasn't played since high school, the number is shocking. Olson graduated from Thousand Oaks high school in 2002. He red shirted his first season at BYU, so that's 12 games there. His two year Mormon mission adds in another 24 games. In his first season at UCLA, he fractured a thumb and was sidelined early. Drew Olson took over and had a fantastic season with Ben only played in garbage time for two games, so he sat out 10. In 2006, he started the first five games but suffered a knee injury against Arizona that cost him the remaining 7 games. Last year, Olson was only available to play in 6 games. That's a total of 59 games since 2002 where Ben hasn't played. That doesn't even count the games he'll miss this year, which will likely be all of them.

So, exactly what the heck Chris Fosters of the world are referring to when they are saying Olson’s injury has created a “void” in UCLA’s offense? Somehow these guys are forgetting it was Forcier and Craft (and Rasshan to a certain extent) who ended up taking all the snaps during that first spring scrimmage under Chow and Neuheisel.

And this whole idea of Neuheisel and Chow having to “rush” to make a decision on their starting quarterback is just laughable. If anything I want these guys to be as patient as they can in gathering as much data points as possible on all of our QBs before reaching a conclusion on who will get the start. And I will go as far as saying that it might not even be a bad idea for the coaches to platoon their QBs during the out of conference games to see who reacts the best and emerge as the best game manager in actual game situations, before settling on a starter for the conference season. I find it comedic that Brian Dohn actually put up a poll on who should be UCLA’s QB on his blog with just 2 days of practices in full pads involving two leading candidates (Craft and Forcier) who haven’t thrown a single pass in a UCLA uniform. Brian must not have a lot of respect for his readers, otherwise he wouldn’t insult their intelligence with that kind of ignorant polling question.

The panicking among local reporters/columnists doesn’t end there. Another line of concern trolling is how Chow doesn’t have any Heisman caliber QBs to work with. Steve Dilbeck from the Daily News today dismisses Craft, Forcier, Rasshan and Crissman into walkon caliber QBs:

Chow's remarkable quarterback resume includes Steve Young, Jim McMahon and Ty Detmer at BYU. Philip Rivers at North Carolina State and Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart at USC.

Huge names, great college quarterbacks, NFL first-round picks.

Only this time he is operating with holdover quarterbacks from the Karl Dorrell era. None who have been confused as an NFL prospect. Maybe not even a starting college quarterback.

But somebody is going to have to take the first snap in three weeks when UCLA opens with highly regarded Tennessee.

"It's not a problem," Chow said. "It really isn't. We'll find someone. One of these two guys, three guys will step up. There's no question in my mind."

It's one thing to groom a future Heisman winner, a talented quarterback coveted by every program in the country.

It's something else to be down to the third- and fourth-string guys on a list that was borderline suspect to begin with. There's no obvious "guy" who's been waiting in the wings, no next superstar ready for his close-up.

Oh God! What are we going to do?! We don’t have any Heisman contendahs on our roster! Chow and Neuheisel must need to have 4 5 star/top-5 recruits at QB position to make this a powerhouse.

I mean these guys are a little too much. Where were these guys during last five years? They are pushing the panic button on third day of full pads, while they were mostly missing during all those years of Karl Dorrell.

Uhm, someone should clue these guys into the fact that there are lot of good programs around college football who get their program started (or restarted) with serviceable quarterbacks. If anyone has followed this program closely (and we expect all of our readers to be some of the most informed when it comes to UCLA sports) know that kids like Forcier, Craft, Rasshan and Crissman are not just bunch of walkons. They received scholarships for a reason. They can play.

Also I think its a little presumptuous to think that Brehaut is going to come in here and vault over all the current kids next year and emerge as the starting QB. People should not make any assumptions just by reading some press reports or watching highlights on the youtube. No one is going to present Brehaut the starting job on a silver platter. He well need to come in and compete and earn it. Otherwise it will be the JP Losman fiasco all over again. And I am sure our coaches will make sure that doesn't take place by communicating to all parties involves exactly what is expected from them.

As for the kids we have now, no one here is expecting any of our QBs to win the Heisman trophy. No one here is expecting them to go undefeated this regular season or go to the Rose Bowl. What we are expecting them is to hang in there and take in (as much as they can) everything they are getting from Chow and Neuheisel. They need to keep at it, compete against each other, and support each other as they learn to play college ball from two of the best in this game.

There is no doubt given the depth issues at our OL, it is going to be a rough going and there will be lot of tough moments in what we are expecting to be a rebuilding (and possibly gloomy W-L wise) season. But they just need to bounce back and come right at day after day. Lot of us remember Cade’s first two seasons. There were lot of memorable moments during those two years but in terms of W-L they were forgettable and not pretty. They were dotted with some heartbreaking losses (still remember how we choked on a 5TD lead against Jake the Snake at the Rose Bowl) and some humiliating ones. But Cade never got down on himself. He just kept coming back for some more.

All of our guys (here a little primer from Foster for those who still need to get caught up on our QBs) need to hang in there and not get discouraged from practice “reports” coming from the local scribes who have consistently missed the mark on so many UCLA related issues over the years.

Elsewhere, in terms of injury Mike Harris (the backup RT) is going to be out “few weeks” due to a “high ankle sprain.” This sucks but again what are we going to do? We just have to deal with it and hope for the best. UCLA is not the only school in the country that is dealing with injury issues. It happens at Fall practice camps all over the country. The question is how our coaches and players deal with it. This is where players take their cues from their leader. Luckily for us we have someone in charge, who will remain relentlessly optimistic no matter how adverse situation he finds himself in. So don’t let all the concern trolling by the local media (and some fans) get you down.

We are going to OK.

GO BRUINS.

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Seriously...

They really are going a bit overboard on all of this. I think that they forgot that we have a JUCO MVP and a kid who was a top 10 dual-threat QB coming out of high school on our roster. Even OR has shown his tremendous athletic ability when he was given the opportunity to play last season. These guys just need to relax their sphincters. I have great faith in the abilities of our athletes and more so in our coaching staff. We are in good hands.

Go Bruins!

by pudska35 on Aug 12, 2008 8:31 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No talent on the roster?

Come on.

Good lord, Crissman was an Elite-11 QB last year, so it’s not like we’re grabbing from the proverbial bottom of the barrel. To know that he’s no better than 4th in the QB rotation at least implies that Forcier and Craft aren’t total dummies, despite what the media would have you think.

Georgia won a national title with Buck Belue at quarterback. Tennessee won not with Peyton Manning, but with Tee Martin. And yes, I realize both Georgia and UT had great running backs, but my point merely is this: if your quarterback is merely good (manages the game and doesn’t commit turnovers), you’re halfway there.

I have no doubt that either Craft or Forcier can do this. Frankly, I have more faith in them to do this than I do with Olson, given his past track record.

I’m always amazed at how suddenly, once our starting quarterback is injured, they turn in to the greatest player on the team and we can’t possibly win without them, when these same folks passing this meme were out there demeaning the same player not three days earlier.

by CAJason80 on Aug 12, 2008 8:57 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And honestly....

did anyone really think Olson was going to last the whole year? I don’t think many of us did.

by CAJason80 on Aug 12, 2008 8:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which leads to another sobering probability

That whomever we throw in there will have to be pretty mobile and have good awareness in the pocket to avoid Olson’s fate last year.

by Tydides on Aug 12, 2008 9:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nestor: Great Points!

Reporters getting critical and alarming the troops gets pretty old. Our stable of QB’s is very solid as above mentioned. The credentials of Crissman, Prince, Forcier and Craft are very good, plus it is rarely mentioned that Craft started games at SD State, including BYU, and does anybody think that the SD State offense was any good. If each of the guys was say Top #20 (higher) and Brehaut is Top #5 and you add Chow and CRN, does anybody with a brain in their head think that we have problems at QB? Doan’s poll should be, “where does our QB group rank?”

A key to everyone’s life is timing. What if BO went down on the last day of training camp and he got all the reps? That’s a problem. By going down early, it gives our masterminds weeks of time to get the others ready. If given enough time, great coaching finds a way. Think of this also, C-Force and Craft are two different type QB’s, so if you prepare for Craft and C-Force starts, Tennessee will have to adjust and vice versa. Are our coaches smart enough not to disclose? Also, baseball uses relief pitchers and basketball uses their bench, so maybe we platoon with different type QB’s. Does it work? Ask Tebow and UF.

I trust our coaching. It’s the best.

Go Bruins!!

by whittier71 on Aug 12, 2008 10:23 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nestor.

Alright is spelled “alright”, my man.

All right can be used to signify another meaning altogether, but you have it as one word.

Respectfully,
ApacheZulu

by apachezulu on Aug 12, 2008 10:33 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are wrong

‘Alright’ is nothing more than a nonstandard variant of ‘all right’. You are just thinking this way because people use the word incorrectly when speaking. Like someone asks how you are doing and you sigh saying, “Alright” when it really means “all is right” and it is really the opposite of what you mean.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alright

by turs12 on Aug 12, 2008 11:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahh - great debate guys!

Where else but a Bruin blog would you find a debate about proper English in the middle of a debate about quarterbacks! I love it.

Also, I’m not about to take a side here. When I get myself painted into a corner where I have to choose between “all right” and “alright,” I start over and re-write the sentence. And anyway, aren’t both “all right” and “alright” translated as “Duuuude.”

by Fox 71 on Aug 13, 2008 11:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The end of the day comment

After experiencing all of the detail available now with the internet, etc. my conclusion is that sometimes, as fans, we can get information overload, and way too much detail on the goings on around an athletic program. Did all of these events occur when I was in school long ago? Absolutely, players went down, positions shuffled, coaches had to scratch their collective heads to figure out what to do, and on Saturday, the product on the field at the Coliseum, or later the Rose Bowl, was what we had to see.

The saving grace for UCLA at this time is that we are blessed, thanks to a strong Dan Guerrero, with a very good coaching staff, so when the heads are being scratched, there is more beneath the surface than “when is payday and when do I get a better job somewhere else?”...... So I am going to relax, keep a low profile around my SC honk friends (after all I am not stupid), give the coaching staff lots of space, keep the good thoughts, and know that RN and company will do all there is to be done to put a good product on the field….
Bill

BillSouthBay

by BillSouthBay on Aug 12, 2008 10:34 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Consider the sources

If Norm Chow, who maybe knows a little something about this, says “It’s not a problem”, it’s good enough for me.

Maybe not good enough for the likes of Foster, Doh!n, Dilbeck, and other talking heads, but that’s why they are who they are and OCNC is who he is.

20 days, 6 hours, 8 minutes!!!!

greg in denver

by gbruin on Aug 12, 2008 10:51 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have a stupid question.

How does one pronounce Forcier’s last name?

Is it for-SEER, or for-see-AY?

by Dexter Fishmore on Aug 12, 2008 10:58 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And thanks to Rye

i’ve learned that the next generation is pronounced “BRAY-oh.”

by Fox 71 on Aug 13, 2008 11:48 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mike Harris with an ankle??

damn, who are we down to now at the line? The hits just keep coming. Maybe the freshman guys, Baca and Bradford, can step up into that right guard position as backup in the time being. The qb thing isn’t that big of an emergency. I’m more concerned about Harris to be honest. We need depth at the line so the coaches can keep working the line out hard to prepare them. Hopefully someone steps up.

by bruin95 on Aug 12, 2008 10:59 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All Right

You guys and gals are all right. And, you are alright by me. Great observations, Bruins.

I am not afraid.

Go Bruins !

by northbaybruin on Aug 12, 2008 11:31 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love the media!

Steve Dildo (I mean Dillweed…I mean Dildick…Dilbeck): “Only this time he is operating with holdover quarterbacks from the Karl Dorrell era. None who have been confused as an NFL prospect. Maybe not even a starting college quarterback.”

Foster: “Forcier had scholarship offers from 40 schools, including Miami and Florida.”

Wow. I think I am going to quit today and become a sportswriter, it’s an easy job, no work or research required! My first article will be about how China does not develop its gymnasts well. My second will be about how Michael Phelps should have been a ballet dancer because clearly, this swimming thing is not for him.

by tasser10 on Aug 12, 2008 11:37 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hilarious...

...I’m going to do the same, and follow up with an article about how the USA should completely eliminate their basketball programs and an in-depth piece about how athletes from Togo shouldn’t be allowed to compete in international kyaking events.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Aug 12, 2008 12:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then we'll start a blog

and talk about how all these athletes at the games are unkown – you know, not a who’s who but a who’s that. Kobe Bryant? LeBron James?

by tasser10 on Aug 12, 2008 12:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or...

What’s that? “Whaaa…you mean, fencing is an Olympic sport? Putting up fences?”

by Bruingirl83 on Aug 12, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Honestly,

I probably know a lot less about football than 99% of the rest of the BN crowd, but even I find these “reporters” utterly and completely ridiculous. I cannot fathom taking the position that if our team doesn’t have a Heisman candidate, we are so doomed that we should commence the wailing and gnashing of teeth. What about all the other Division I teams who don’t necessarily have a Heisman candidate this season? Should they just save themselves the trouble and pack it in now? I mean, God forbid we should listen to Norm Chow…we have these “professionals” telling us what’s what.

Thanks, Nestor. Had you not linked the works of these football geniuses, I may not have ever known that the sky is, indeed, actually falling. One perception I have from their tone is that they are not panicking so much getting excited about their anticipated bloodbath. I leave it to Kevin, Chris, and the rest of Chow’s men to play their hearts out and deny these drooling morons their drama.

Love My Bruins

by Bruingirl83 on Aug 12, 2008 11:38 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heisman Candidate?

Our last Heisman winner earned the award by playing well throughout the season, not in some pre-season poll.

We won’t know if we have a Heisman candidate for a while.

What we do know is that, for the first time since Tommy Prothro, we have the coaches in place to take a good player and make him great.

If one of our QB’s blossoms, at the end of the year the hacks will jump on the bandwagon and tell us that they had predicted the success; they’ll figure than none of us will go back and look at these stupid columns.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Aug 12, 2008 2:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I only have one thing to say, sjh

Coach Tommy called “X post H” at the exact right time. (I’ve just had an attack of goose bumps thinking about that.)

by Fox 71 on Aug 13, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

QB Least of Bruins Worries

I mean, how are the Bruins going to block anyone? Top D-1 teams do not have converted TEs and DTs move into starting position on the O-Line. When your top two lineman are a former walk-on and someone who can’t stay onsides, it’s going to be a long season.

I have no doubt CRN and NC will eventually stock the Bruins with bluechippers and build an elite offense in 2-3 seasons, but this year’s offense will make last season look like a juggernaut.

I almost guarantee Craft, Forcier and Rassan will all get their chance this season, maybe even in the opener. I am excited about the potential of Forcier and the future of Brehaut and looking forward to CRN bringing the Bruins back to prominence.

richramus

by richramus on Aug 12, 2008 12:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We know this

but it seems these writers don’t. In my recollection, I have never seen a QB play great behind a weak offensive line. You could put Tom Brady under center for us, and it may not make a difference. Besides, it doesn’t seem as though any of these writers are listening: the emphasis this year will be on the run. Neu said it and Chow said it. But hey, if everyone wants to focus on our qb’s, that’s fine with me.

by tasser10 on Aug 12, 2008 12:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Patience is important...

I watched practice on Sat and Sun from the parking structure to get a better view. The OL and DL were banging heads below. Coach Palcic and Howard are involved with the strategy and teaching aspects. Our inexperienced OL is getting a constant workout from a decent DL. When Chandler misses a block, Palcic is teaching. BTW, there is no way that Chandler could have stayed a TE, he’s huge. If you watch the 11 on 11, most of our passes are short, timing routes, so blocking is not as important versus a downfield approach. We’ve got solid RB’s so we just have to keep defenses off-balance. It’s up to the play caller, now who’s the best?

by whittier71 on Aug 12, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blessing in disguise ???????

I didnt read everything said but. One thing we all need to remember was this injury to olson was coming some time. I wasnt sure when but i new it was coming. All that to say, what are we loosing? I dont hate Olson but he is not some top 50 QB in the nation hes more like a bottom 50. So all that said our true QB for the year is not gonna have to fill in 3 games into the season, hes gonna be starting at the begining of the year which is a good thing i think. And also screw the media. There wrong and bias on everthing. Football, Basketball, POLITICS! One player I think we forget about that is gonna lead us if hes anything like last year KAHLIL BELL. Yes i am gonna say this i think if he runs a hole season like he did at the begining of last year he could be a top 5 running back in all of football.

by Wink5 on Aug 12, 2008 1:50 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad Memories

Last year, based on what they saw in practice, the pundits told us we were going to have a dominating D. Many of us worried that it wasn’t so much that the D was strong but rather the case of a weak O.

I think this year the pundits are a bit sobered. We won’t know how good our D will be until we play a real O.

Last year, I was not a big DW fan. But, when CRN chose him, I became a DW supporter. One thing I had hoped was that CNC would be an asset to DW, would both give him a better O against which to practice and wisdom as to how some of the O’s that we could not stop work.

Only time will tell whether our weak O is going to hurt the development of our D.

All that said, I am really looking forward to the season. We are going to surprise people. And, our QB’s will be a lot better than people think.

sjh

by Class of 66 on Aug 12, 2008 2:48 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The situation

Reminds me of the Notre Dame situation last year. They had a 5-star freshman, a mediocre guy who had more experience, and a guy who could run. They started the game with who they believed would be right, the run guy. He started coughing up the ball. They sat him down and if my memory serves me, put mediocre guy next. He stank as well. They decided to go the rest of the season with the mediocre guy. He couldn’t do it so they put in the 5-star kid so that he could get as much experience as he could in that junk season. He, in turn got sacked a lot. They had a horrible offensive line.

The moral of the story is, you might be able to tell who the best QB is in practice but come game time that could all go out the window, especially when you factor in the inexperience of the QBs. I suppose you would want a QB that possessed as many of those “intangibles” that make a QB a game-time QB. But can anyone, including Chow, know how these kids are going to react to the pressure, speed, and excitement of a real game in front of thousands of people? Also, your QB (and entire offense for that matter) is only as good as your offensive line, period.

The closest thing we have to an experienced QB is Craft. Based on this, I would think he should be number 1. After that you start putting the rest in seeing how they handle it. I would assume if the O-line is getting beat that you will see the more mobile Forcier (he seemed to me to be able to turn the corner pretty quickly). At the very least you keep him in the mix so that the other team has to expend more time getting prepared for that possibility.

by Bruins102NCAA on Aug 13, 2008 5:00 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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