The Embarrased UCLA fan
This is my first fanpost so I hope people can bare with me but I wanted to start off by saying that as a UCLA fan and as an even bigger football fan, I have been embarrased on several occasions by UCLA fans. 3 years ago when I witnessed Drew Olson and Maurice Jones-Drew carry our football team through the 2005 season, I felt the most amazing sense of pride. The most exciting game I had been too that season however was the Cal game. Maurice Jones-Drew scored five touchdowns including an 81 yard punt return, and caught a 28 yard pass to bring the score to a narrow 47-40 score with 1:35 left to beat the, then no. 10 ranked Golden bears. UCLA was ranked 20th with Cal being an obvious favorite to win.
How then does the UCLA fan become embarrased, well as close as this game was, the stadium was filled with mostly UCLA fans. The small Cal section however, was the loudest of the two teams, I could barely hear myself think as I looked over at my friends next to me who were trying to yell even louder. Frankly, I felt the embarrassment of having an entirely filled UCLA fan based rosebowl be outyelled, and out-fanned (if that can even be called considered a word.)
Moving on, to make a long story short, after experiencing the wrath of cal fans (even after they had lost) I went to the UCLA vs. Cal game in 2006 expecting a decent showing of UCLA fans...and there was. Only to find that the ENTIRE section of UCLA fans was sitting down quietly the whole game, as if we were at some theatrical event watching it all unfold. We lost that game the following season, and I know that part of it had to do with the terrible fan base that I witnessed as a UCLA fan.
In writing this, I can see how some people could be offended by what I am saying. However, My experience at SEVERAL other football stadiums emphasizes my belief in the lack of commitment from UCLA football fans to STAND UP! BE PROUD! and BLEED BLUE AND GOLD at EVERY game.
This is coming from a UCLA student who has witnessed the disappointing losses and the amazing comebacks and I hope that with a new amazing coaching regime, what I call the Tetrarchy, UCLA fans can inject their energy into the rosebowl. I ask that EVERY MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD, show each team that comes to Pasadena why being a UCLA fan, student, alum, etc. is one of the most honorable experiences any person could ever have. Thank God I'm a Bruin, and I can't wait to see UCLA football unleash its wrath on any visiting team.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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It’s on all of us who will be there Monday night to get it started – and I was at the Cal – Tennessee game last year and Tennessee will come loud, believe me!
Also, on another note, I understand why at the beginning of every year – since school isn’t in session – the band isn’t full. It still sucks though having about 1/3 of our band there. Is it too much to ask for the band members to come back to school early? It’s our time on ESPN in prime time and it’d be awesome to see our full band there blasting out all our favorites. Does anyone know anything about this and why nothing is done?
by royobruin on Aug 27, 2008 5:27 PM PDT 0 recs
School doesn't start for another month...
Many UCLA students don’t live near campus and go home for the Summer. Thus the reason the band is not in attendance nor are many students until the 4th week of the season is simply because they are not able to get here. Even requiring the band to attend would be impossible as all of the students that live on campus and many of the students whom subletted their apartments for the summer would be virtually homeless in LA for another month. It sucks, but its the way of the quarter system.
GO BRUINS!
by rgalloucla on
Aug 29, 2008 12:43 AM PDT
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FINALLY!
I’ve been wanting to say something like this for a long time, but was unsure of how to say it. Maybe it’s part of the SoCal fan syndrome? I’ve always been a passionate fan and have always thought it so strange that the Rose Bowl could be so quiet! All other college venues I’ve been to have been roaring affairs. At other schools, the student section is hardly ever in their seats!
The worst and most embarrassing moment was for me at Washington v UCLA game last year at the Rose Bowl. I have 4 season tickets in the Alumni section… I invited a bunch of my friends along, bought out some of the ajoining seats, tailgated, had a blast. It was a group of 8 of us. We were on our feet, cheering, yelling, etc. From behind us a couple of people kept telling us to sit down! “Excuse me, the play’s over and we can’t see, can you please take your seat?” Now, most of the friends I had with me weren’t UCLA grads, they were just college football fans in support of the home team. They were absolutely flabbergasted at the suggestion that they just sit there and watch the game… We tried to be reasonable but what’s the point of being a fan if not acting the part?
Lets put the “fan” back into FANATIC!
GO BRUINS!
PS- Completely agree with royobruin…. I know the bandmembers are some of the biggest fans out there and show their dedication all the time. If the administration wasn’t going to be proactive, they should have led a movement to do something! I think I read the pickup band was going to be in full uniform as opposed to Hawaiian shirts, but still, this is primetime and I hope we don’t look disintrested.
by impaulv on Aug 27, 2008 7:22 PM PDT 0 recs
section 2?
I wonder if I was sitting near you… I remember a game last season where the people behind me said the same thing. I turned around with a quizzicle look on my face… its a football game for crying out loud…we are CHEERING our team!
by ucsbbruinfan on
Aug 27, 2008 9:47 PM PDT
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Section 1...
but it sadly wasn’t the first time. It’s happened in other sections in the past :-(
Still, never quit cheering!
by impaulv on
Aug 30, 2008 10:27 PM PDT
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I've seen us on both end of the spectrum
When I first arrived at UCLA I was pretty shocked by what I considered fat alumni sit on their hands. But I’m an alumni now myself and I see a lot of my fellow alums on their feet and cheering. I’ve also seen the Rose Bowl rocking from time to time. And, in 1997 when we put up #7 in a row against hated South Central, our two little sections were as loud as the rest of the mausoleum.
All I can say is “you must be the change you would like to see.” I’ll be out there Monday night losing my voice along with you.
A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment. John Wooden
by MexiBruin on Aug 27, 2008 7:59 PM PDT 0 recs
It's a sad truth...
I feel the same way. I have seats in Section 19 and the vast majority of the people around me are 50 and up. Now I am not saying that if your in your fifties you can’t be loud. My dad just turned 60 in April and he screams his head of just as loud as me. But the people around us will never stand throughout or even 1/4 of the game. Very similar situation at pauley pavilion. Something which has been discussed here before, empty seats…. or people not willing to stand and yell. I digress… It has always boggled my mind because I have traveled to just about every away game that UCLA Football has had since the late 90’s including Ohio State, Alabama, Illinois, every Pac 10 team except for Oregon State and Arizona State etc… The point being, that the Rose Bowl is hardly that loud most of the time because their are a lot of fans that either can’t or refuse to be loud when our defense is on the field. That’s the part that bugs me the most out of the whole idea of being loud. When our defense is on the field why should I have sit down, this is not an opera. I consider myself to be a polite person, but when it’s Saturday at the Rose Bowl, I would yell at my own mother if she told me I couldn’t stand and scream when my team needs me to be as loud as I can. If you have ever played football in a CIF championship game or an away rivalry game, you know that when your on offense and it’s so loud you can’t hear the snap count it effects the line and the running backs. And then the Offense has to go UCLA 07’ on you and go on the first snap count every play which makes the defense faster.. Ok that’s enough! Thanks for bringing that up UCLABRU1! Come on Bruin Fan’s, let’s keep up the noise level whenever the Vols are on offense!!
5 Days I can’t wait!
Go Bruins!
DBalter
by westwood12003 on Aug 27, 2008 8:18 PM PDT 0 recs
the truth
I completely agree with the above.
I have to say that as a former member of the band who lives in the LA area I went to all of the games in September as did many others. The hardest part were my friends who were from out of town getting into LA. Many times when they could afford to drive or fly they crashed with me, however for many of them the travel was just too cost prohibitive. I’m not saying that it wouldn’t have been great if they could have made it in, but it was just the reality of it.
by bruinscv on Aug 27, 2008 9:05 PM PDT 0 recs
Band
As a member of the band, i can’t WAIT to be at the rosebowl monday, and we will be loud and excited to be there. Unfortunately, such a large portion of our band is based in the bay area and can’t come down for a game and then have nowhere to stay until band camp starts 2 weeks later . This is made even more dificult by the game being on a monday which means people would have work the next day instead of say drive down friday and back up sunday. Such is the reality of being on the quarter system.
by truebluebruin24 on Aug 28, 2008 1:29 AM PDT 0 recs
Stanford game
I was at the Stanford game that year. At Stanford stadium and clearly outnumbered. Amazing 4th quarter comeback as most here remember. Though outnumbered on the road we were very loud and definately louder than the Stanford contingency near us. Could it be that an away game only the most passionate of fans are in attendance while at home your fan base is diluted with those that have the season tickets and go just for the event and are not nearly as rabid? Perhaps it is diluted even further when the seats are given to friends, clients etc.. when the season ticket holder cant attend? The vocal fans are spread out through 80% of the stadium while the road fans are concentrated into a smaller section, thus intensifying the sound in that one area. Just some thoughts.
by popopapa on Aug 28, 2008 7:04 AM PDT 0 recs
Good Point
I think it is safe to say that your Passion Bucket has to be pretty full to be traveling to away games. It is a commitment financially as well as time wise.
We here at BN are passionate fans but our fanbase in general…..lacks passion. I’ve been to many a games myself where people told me to sit down from blocking their view. I feel for every one of you guys that have had the same experience. I was at the Cal game in 06 and I got up on the bench trying to get our section to get loud as our defense was trying to hold on our end. But NOPE…..people don’t want to get loud and just sit on their butts. I called out as many people I could without missing the play but that in a nutshell describes a huge contingent of UCLA fans. Pretty pathetic IMO. When I’m watching games on tv and I see most of the stadium on their feet throughout their game, yelling at the top of their lungs, yelling at appropriate times to help out their teams, being in sync with the flow of the game, etc….I get quite jealous. There are a multitude of reasons why this phenomenon occurs with UCLA fans but don’t want to get into it.
I would like to see UCLA increase the student sections both at the Rose Bowl and Pauley. I think UCLA should have another student section in the opposite end of the Rose Bowl too. Students will be rowdy and that will help some, not all but some, to make some noise too. Having them on both sides I think helps our defense out when the opposing team is driving towards that end. In addition, I would love to see the student sections behind both baskets at Pauley. Having boisterous fans waving and doing wacky things can only help our team.
by BlueReign on
Aug 28, 2008 9:10 AM PDT
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This post rings true
To every student who has ever sat in The Den and tried to rouse the alums on the opposite side of the court in Pauley. It’s almost like they stay sitting to spite us. At least there are certain points in a basketball game where everyone stands, particularly in the final minutes of a tight game. Sadly, even this circumstance would not be enough to get some people on their feet at the Rose Bowl. I just don’t understand why that is.
by Tydides on
Aug 28, 2008 11:41 AM PDT
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Another viewpoint
When I first got my tickets the Bruins were still playing at the smelliseum. My friend and i were basically the only people cheering in our section. Sometime in the first quarter the guy behind me taps me on the shoulder and points a few rows up. There is this older woman looking right at me when she says “Son, please don’t yell”. I politely told her she was at a sporting event and if she didn’t want to hear cheering she should attend a different event on Saturdays. After I told her that several people around me starting cheering during the game also. Several people told me I was the first person to stand up to her and was glad I did it because they thought it was weird that the only thing that would happen would be a courteous clap after a good play.
Having said that, I am a yeller at the games, cheering for the Bruins all game. I prod the offense, yell for the defense to stop em and so on. I for the most part will even join along with Jeff and his chants I will stand up and cheer also when a great play has happenied is or happening. I have a pretty loud voice but I don’t yell and cheer any louder if I’m standing or sitting. My clapping for the team isn’t any louder either. My point is, that you don’t have to be standing for the entire game to be a vocal fan. I can do it sitting and standing. I just pick my spots to do it.
by artybruin on Aug 28, 2008 10:20 AM PDT 0 recs
Tough to say
The UCLA fandom is definitely a tough nut to crack. I have seen and attended games where the crowd is raucous, and others where you’d think they were watching Masterpiece Theater. I have never understood that, and my general reply to anyone telling me to sit down and be quiet at a game is “bite me”…though not in so many words.
Anyway, there could be several reasons for this:
- Are there as many students attending UCLA games as students at other schools? The fact that so many schools have a stadium right by their campus makes a big difference in terms of the number of students who attend. And students tend to be the loudest fans, as opposed to the retirees…
- Perhaps the lush green tailgating venue on the golf course lulls fans to sleep before the game? And perhaps a lot of the older fans drink wine instead of beer before the game, which tends to make you sleepy…
- Well, we also don’t drink as much as other fans, that’s for sure.
- The Rose Bowl is a BIG stadium, so maybe it takes a large crowd to make it sound loud. It doesn’t help that they don’t allow banners and the Pasadena Police Dept. is pretty much way too fascist…mostly because they don’t want a bunch of crazies going to make trouble in the surrounding nice neighborhood.
In a general sense, UCLA is just not an “in-your-face” type of school, in any sport. Our general image is the one that John Wooden pretty much instilled: humility and inner confidence. We don’t generally feel the need to tell alumni of other schools (except U$C) about how we are going to kick their butts, how they suck, etc. Showboating is generally frowned upon, in fans and in athletes. I suspect a lot of those older people telling you to sit down used to go to basketball games to watch a nice performance and pretty much expecting to win every time. They didn’t feel the need to get all riled up, I guess.
But that needs to change. The game has changed, and the crowd is a big part of the home court or home field advantage. And the only way it’s going to happen is for someone like CRN to get people excited about UCLA football. It’s already happening with Ben Howland, Pauley is getting louder every year.
by tasser10 on Aug 28, 2008 11:13 AM PDT 0 recs
Leadership
The first time I saw the contrast in fan behavior was at a home game against Tennessee in 1989, one season before I enrolled at UCLA. The Vols’ fans were packed into the visiting section, all wearing orange, and they cheered passionately throughout the game. Meanwhile, our fans gave lukewarm support to the Bruins. It felt like a road game…at the Rose Bowl! By game’s end, the Vols had whipped us, 24-6, and the Vols’ party spilled into the parking lot. I’ve since seen many repeats of this display at the Rose Bowl and in Pauley.
Part of the reason may be that our fans are polite and don’t want to obscure others’ view or “disturb” their quiet. Another possibility is that we don’t have an effective trigger to get started. Artybruin suggested that fans might seek permission from others in order to yell. Sometimes I feel that way — I want to yell, but no one else is, and I am too shy to take the initiative, even though I’d holler like crazy in a passionate crowd of Bruins.
So what can be done? First of all, we need to spread the passion from the student body. As BlueReign suggested, there absolutely ought to be a student section on both sides of the Rose Bowl and Pauley. We’d get more active television exposure (right now the sideline teleshot view is of the alumni and teams, but barely covers the students bouncing at the bottom of the screen), plus the passion of the students would embolden alumni fans. Second, we need a mechanism to make sure new, lazy, and reticent fans really understand the culture we seek. One possibility is to have the stadium announcer and scoreboard announcers encourage fans to stand and cheer. Another is to plant yell leaders in each section to perform this role. Third, the UCLA ticket office should include a printed set of cheers and an exhortation to raise a ruckus in any literature that accompanies ticket packages. The cheers can pertain to certain pivotal situations, such as third-and-long or a goalline defense. Other schools have pathetically repetitive and vapid chants (U$C and Florida State quickly come to mind), so we shouldn’t go to that extreme, but a few creative and catchy chants could get our stadiums rocking. Fifth, each of us needs to set an example. Bring a bunch of buddies together and start a chant at a game. Think of a funny new chant at least once a season. Encourage neighbors in the stands to join in. Don’t settle for wearing a blue t-shirt to the game. Wear the loudest blue and gold outfit you can assemble — full Bruin uniform, funny hair, painted face, etc. — and start jumping up and down before the whistle gets the game underway.
Any of these solutions, taken by itself, will be moderately effective, but we really need to do all these things since each will feed off the others.
I don’t know anyone personally in the ticket office, Rose Bowl or Pauley management, or in the Den, so I’m not sure how to ensure these changes will occur. Does anyone have a good lead so that we can start pressing for action?
by bryanucla on Aug 28, 2008 12:21 PM PDT 0 recs
All really good ideas!
I know that students would love to be able to sit in more sections than just near the endzone on one side of the stadium. I’ll be making sure that everyone I’m with is cheering their heads off. And I’d love to start collecting ideas on here, or start a new fanpost with possible ideas of things to do at the game. Really, in order to keep our athletes engaged they feed off of our energy, and I know its hard to cheer when we’re down but it really is a matter of faith, if our team can’t show our competitors why they should walk away from the rosebowl feeling lost, then the fans certainly should! ( all respectively of course, we are classy)
by UCLABRU1 on Aug 28, 2008 1:15 PM PDT 0 recs
Embarrased was how I felt in San Antonio
…out of all four sections for each team in the Alamodome, ours was the only one sitting for essentially most of the game. Never mind that we lost, the students (myself included) were the only ones standing up the whole time AND we were shoved in the back of the section. Memphis, UNC, and Kansas all had sections standing up essentially the whole time (those Memphis fans were notably spirited from beginning to end and the UNC fans were still trying to rally their team despite being down by a lot to KU). I can also say the same thing, sitting at the press desk for basketball games at Pauley…the Den tries to get everyone up but it takes something drastic for the most part to get things really going (i.e. our last regular season homestand against the Bay Area schools). Sigh.
GO BRUINS!
by jlegs on Aug 28, 2008 1:54 PM PDT 0 recs
The good news
NCCA will now force schools to give their best tickets to students for the NCAA tourney. This means that students will not be shoved to the back or up in the rafters while the quiet alumni are sitting closer to the court.
by lil eg not cs on
Aug 28, 2008 3:09 PM PDT
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It's backwards...
I recall in my former RB seats on the press box side, there were some older alumni behind me – all around actually, but the nice lady right behind me was most affected – who, at the beginning of the season, asked me not to stand up so much. I simply told her that that was not possible, because that’s the truth, and it’s my opinion that it’s unreasonable to expect otherwise (within reason of course, I’m not an obnoxious kinda guy). This made for a certain uncomfortableness to the whole thing. The situation is far better now in section 2, where it’s pretty rare for anyone to not be standing whenever our defense forces a 3rd down. Anyway, my main reason for posting:
Question: what time does the parking lot open on Monday? I’ve read somewhere that it’s 4 hours prior to kickoff (1pm), but the South Bay Bruins tailgate email said they’ll be starting at noon… does lot H open at noon? prior to noon?
Just a couple days away, I can’t wait. GO BRUINS!!!
by haywood nighttrain on Aug 28, 2008 6:23 PM PDT 0 recs
Parking
I think the 4 hour thing is just for the shuttle coming from Parsons. I couldn’t find the link, but I’d be shocked if the parting lot wasn’t open much earlier. I’ll be leaving for the Rose Bowl about noon myself.
by Menelaus on
Aug 28, 2008 8:37 PM PDT
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The parking lot has to open earlier
because I’ve been tailgating long before 4 hours prior to kickoff before.
by ryebreadraz on
Aug 28, 2008 8:42 PM PDT
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Yep
I’m usually there about 5 hours early for a 5 pm game.
by Menelaus on
Aug 28, 2008 8:44 PM PDT
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As for the substance of this post
It will be interesting for me- I’m moving from Section 2 to Section 17 this year.
In my view, it’s sort of an assumption of risk theory.
When I was a student, I expected to be pushed, shoved, yelled at, and to be subjected to (laudable) levels of passion, cursing and alcohol.
In Section 2, the so-called “young alumni” section, I expected standing, yelling and emotion, but not the swearing, etc., as many folks have young kids (myself included).
In Section 17, on the “shady” side, I expect a more subdued atmosphere. In fact, I am counting on it in a way, as the more boisterous elements of my old seats literally scared my little ones.
We’ll see how it goes, but I don’t think it as simple as some suggest. Cheer like crazy, but be respectful of others and where you have chosen to sit yourself (both at a football game, and where within it).
by Menelaus on
Aug 28, 2008 8:44 PM PDT
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What we need
Is a crazy alumnus who’ll stand up and go crazy smack dab in the middle of the sea of old people. Ideally he’ll speak their dialect and will be able to convince them that it is time to cast away the chains which have held them prisoner for so long; The arthritis which plagues their bones and the dentures which threaten to fly out of their mouths and strike the fans in front of them after even the slightest whisper. Hopefully with a brave, fearless leader showing the way, they will be able to shake off the mountains of dust collected on their bodies and fight for their Bruins. We students will be behind them 100%! Viva la revolucion!
by jatteratious on Aug 29, 2008 2:12 PM PDT 0 recs
Whoa, big fella.
Go awfully easy on the beat down of us old timers. Some of us are wearing explosive Depends, so we could take out an entire section if pushed the wrong way. And you never know whether the geezer you’re picking on is a third of that famous trio of wealthy and influential alumni.
by Fox 71 on
Aug 29, 2008 8:43 PM PDT
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fans
How about season ticket holders who “sell” their tickets to SUC? That is what kills me. I have had my tickets for 30 years, both at that “other” place and the Rose Bowl. Nothing, I repeat NOTHING, is more upsetting than sit in Tunnel 3, in “bruin bench” territory, and sitting next to SC fans during “our game”! If nothing else, DO NOT SELL your season tickets to “those people”! At the very least, if you cannot donate your tickets, at least sell them to UCLA fans!
by goldenlin on Aug 29, 2008 9:26 PM PDT 0 recs
While I believe being respectful is incredibly important, I disagree
with this not being a simple concept. The fans I hear yelling don’t need to swear, or showboat, they just need to cheer, to be heard. To display the energy and amazing content that it is to be proud in their team. Anytime the other team has the ball, we should all be doing our part to disrupt the snap count. Its a service that cannot be done by our football team, but is something that is our part. The players FEED off of our energy in that stadium, and if people refuse to at aid them in this facet then i believe mediocrity is destined to set in as our fans could only display mediocre applause. This is a NEU era, lets reinvigorate bruin football on and outside the field!
by UCLABRU1 on Aug 30, 2008 2:57 PM PDT 0 recs
I assume this responds to my comment
I agree with the spirit of what you say. But, it’s not always that simple.
If you sit in a section where you know and expect our older bruin fans to sit (who have every right to come to the games), and you know that the lady sitting behind you recently had hip surgery, then maybe it’s not right to stand and cheer anyway.
I’m just say’n.
Of course, most of the time you’re right, but I was just saying it’s not that simple. And it’s not.
by Menelaus on
Aug 31, 2008 8:00 AM PDT
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Another thing
Let’s remember that we often have ties that bond in the stands. I sat in my former seats for many years in a row. I knew everyone around me. We cheered like hell together for years. So, there’s an even higher level of respect for those folks.
by Menelaus on
Aug 31, 2008 8:23 AM PDT
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This is a great thread ...
Perhaps its a good idea to tie together some of the ideas thrown around in the discussion in one post and come up with a set of solutions?
by Nestor on
Aug 31, 2008 9:46 AM PDT
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I concur...ahaha
Im in section 28…On the side of the Alumni away from the students….I Scream my ass off the whole game…But ..I have a bunch of kids and older ppl in the rows infront and behind me…But all in all..we just need more cheer ppl coming into the stands…we only have lik 10…tops..we need more…But again..I do what I can to be heard..Go BRUINS..and Ill be screaming with you against the Vols.
by Bru-in style on Aug 31, 2008 1:40 PM PDT 0 recs
If we play better football
The loud cheers will come….
by bigbruin on Aug 31, 2008 4:29 PM PDT 0 recs













